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[PASSED] Repeal "Liberate Eastern Europe"

Postby Tulcea » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:23 pm

Eastern Europe held a vote recently and it was overwhelmingly decided to attempt to repeal World Assembly Security Council Resolution #36: Liberate Eastern Europe. The reasons for this can be found in the draft I have posted below, and the reasoning and arguments behind the outcome of the vote can be found on the Eastern European Civil HQ. I have never drafted a WA proposal before, however I tried to use past resolutions and other threads for the general template as much as possible, so any input, comments, and/or suggestions for improvements would be welcome. Thank you.

The World Assembly Security Council,

RECALLING that the original purpose of Resolution #36 was a dispute over refounding Eastern Europe that has since been resolved with the help of said Resolution,

RECOGNIZING that the WA Delegate it names, Czech Mate has served capably and been re-elected twice since, and has overseen the establishment of regional embassies negotiated by Eastern Europe's elected regional diplomat, Flobos, and approved by the natives of Eastern Europe in multiple referenda,

AWARE that the motion to repeal has come from natives of Eastern Europe not involved in the original dispute, with Czech Mate, Flobos, and Romani Romania all abstaining in the regional referendum in which the participating parties unanimously supported a repeal by a 10-0 margin, with 5 total abstentions,

UNDERSTANDING that the natives of Eastern Europe feel more secure not having forced liberation status, particularly in light of the recent discovery of a dozen puppets in Eastern Europe and the failure of their master to identify their intent, as well as a separate failed invasion of Eastern Europe approximately one month ago,

RESPECTING that the nations of Eastern Europe believe that repealing Resolution #36 will allow them to finally move on from a tumultuous chapter in their regional history,

CONCLUDING, that it is just and proper for the natives of Eastern Europe to decide on and be in control of their own fate,

Hereby repeals Liberate Eastern Europe.
Last edited by Sedgistan on Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:06 am, edited 6 times in total.

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Postby Warzone Codger » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:28 pm

100 times support!

I maintain that the SC, in their own self righteous intervened in an internal dispute in the first place. The claim of an invader front must be truly exposed now, 8 month of stable delegacy even when we inflicted a liberation on him.
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Postby Mahaj » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:50 pm

I will support.
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Postby Topid » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:00 pm

Looks good to me.
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Postby Ballotonia » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:18 pm

While I agree with long-time native Flobos in that most wise would be to let the liberation resolution remain on the books indefinitely, it is trumped by the results of the vote which took place. Since Flobos has accepted the outcome (and as such has legitimized it), I'll support this repeal.

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Postby Daynor » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:55 pm

Topid wrote:Looks good to me.

I should expand...

To address the issues that the entire first resolution did not have merit, CM’s actions were certainly inconsistent with that of a caring native delegate. CM gained he delegacy after complaining that RR ejected natives, and then rapidly ejected more natives after becoming delegate himself. He was supported in his bid to become delegate of this old and majorly dead region by Independent Vojvodina, 626 million, Zubr Pivo, 613 million, Omislavia 448 million, and Miklos Horthy, 482 million. It was never explained how so many young nations ended up in a fairly inactive region at the time that hadn’t been recruiting in ages. In fact CM ignored that observation throughout the entire thread. As anyone who has built a region knows, gaining four new WA members to a region requires a fair amount of recruiting, which no one in the region claimed to be doing. The presence of these puppets in the region was never explained, and the only logical explanation of their presence is that they were brought there by CM or some other leader in order to back CM’s delegacy. If the same situation were to play out in another region, and the new delegate were to show up in the debate thread and ignore concerns over how such young nations ended up in the region again, I would support a liberation. There is no way to dress that up as something legitimate.

However, despite these clear indications of foul play, since the resolution CM and all those nations listed above have served the region faithfully and I won’t oppose a decision by the community to remove the liberation. I'm definitely surprised to see three of those four nations listed above still in the WA, and all four still in the region and in existence. I for one have no ground to say that someone with bad intentions cannot have a change of heart, obviously. In fact I believe very strongly that recent good deeds generally overshadow all past mistakes.

If a password goes up as soon as this resolution passes, I’ll oppose a re-liberation. This is your decision EE. If you are going to support it unanimously and it turns out to be a mistake the consequences are your own, in my opinion. Even if it isn't CM that proposes it. You get raided a month down the road, tough luck, you have your protection from passwords now. You have chosen to give it up and that is fine, but we shouldn't waste more days reversing that decision if it turns out not to work out.

I am mildly interested to see if a password will go up after this passes.
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Postby Tulcea » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:17 am

I appreciate everybody's support, I have gone and edited one of the points after hearing Flobos's input, so other than that I guess it's suitable to propose as-is?

Topid/Daynor, I'm not trying to speculate on who had what intentions when this resolution went up, I just think whatever happened it's time for EE to move on. And in the event that we ARE invaded down the road, I would think that defenders should not treat us any differently than they would any other region, just like when they moved in last month to prop up Czech Mate when invaders came through Eastern Europe, Atheist Empire, Hell, and a few other regions that same night. This proposal is not at all intended to seem ungrateful for past assistance.

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Postby A mean old man » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:39 pm

Tulcea wrote:. . .I just think whatever happened it's time for EE to move on.


That's a very concise way to sum up the purpose of this repeal. It has my support, if that's worth anything.
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:23 am

Tulcea wrote:UNDERSTANDING the concern of a number of Eastern Europe's nations with the wording and factual accuracy of the original Resolution,

You're probably going to have to expand on that (or other clauses), so that the proposal adequately addresses the contents of the original resolution. Otherwise, you'll run into problems with Rule 2 (d).

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Postby Flobos » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:27 am

I feel like I should post if only to clarify my position in this. Since the liberation, EE has attracted numerous fairly active nations. Personally, I'm fairly gladdened by this, even if a portion of them are puppets of unknown purpose. In the end, I cannot trust Czech Mate after what happened, but I'm willing to let the newbies take the plunge if they're willing. Since EE officially "died" nearly two and a half years ago (I'd point to the thread, but the forums were emptied for the most part by, shall we say, not definitively identified perpetrators Eastern_European_HQ), and through some miracle it's kept on going since. I guess what I'm saying in short is that I've been ready for EE to go down for a while, and similarly to Topid, I'm willing to let the new nations suffer the consequences in case something does go wrong.

Now I'll try to butt out for the rest of the discussion. :)

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Postby Tulcea » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:21 am

I thought argument 2 would have adequately covered the concern over Rule 2 (d), but I guess this assumes that the voter was reading the original resolution and doing their own research before voting on the repeal , which may be what you're referring to. But in any event, in the interest of simplicity, I will edit the line with something a little more to the point:

RESPECTING that the nations of Eastern Europe believe that repealing Resolution #36 will allow them to finally move on from a tumultuous chapter in their regional history,

Assuming this is acceptable, I will be submitting the proposal to our Diplomat or another WA member in EE for submission. Thanks again for everyone's input.

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Postby Finlandization » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:42 am

As requested, I've submitted this proposal. I hope everyone will approve it.

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Postby Ballotonia » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:52 am

Approved it.

I do hope you'll read this: viewtopic.php?p=4088739#p4088739

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Postby Tulcea » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:11 am

Thanks for the link (and your approval), the tele-campaign has begun.

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Postby Casta Nal Expeditionary Forces Command » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:26 am

I voted yes. You region is now stable. You don't need raiders hitting you.
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Postby Dave Nation » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:29 am

Approved.

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Postby Topid » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:25 pm

Quorum Reached: In Queue!

Congratulations Finland! :)
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Postby Chow X » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:18 am

I guess I'll vote yes cos everyone else is. But since I just joined I dont know anything about that old legislation.

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Postby Tulcea » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:25 am

Wow, the early results so far are even more positive than I could have hoped for. Thanks again everybody.

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Postby Xanthal » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:14 pm

Having seen no objections, the Federation supports the repeal of Eastern Europe's Liberated status. This position is subject to reversal if we receive notice of native opposition.
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Tulcea
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Postby Tulcea » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:38 am

A couple people have pointed out that the "Liberated" icon still appears at the top of Eastern Europe's region page, and it still re-directs to the old repealed resolution. Is this some sort of glitch?

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:40 am

Yeah - point it out in Technical, and a Game Mod will fix it. It happens with all SC repeals.


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