Bottle wrote:Shikkago wrote:
That being said, I do really really hate feminazis. I think men are just as oppressed as women by gender norms that keep them in a much stricter role (ie being afraid to behave in "effeminate" manners, like taking ballet classes, for fear the other boys will bully you), and I think it's really counter-productive to hate men and masculinity. Feminists need to reach out more to men, respect masculinity as much as femininity or gender neutral behaviors. Men need to be treated equally, too.
1) Feminists are already the ones who are fighting against such sexism.
2) How about instead of telling feminists that they ought to do more work and clean up more messes, how about...YOU do it? You reach out. You speak up. You fight it. If you can't be bothered to thank feminists for doing all the work they're already doing for you, then at least have the decency to shut the fuck up and help out sometimes.
Dude, I DO! I was speaking of MYSELF inclusive in the term "feminists" there. Hell, they can't shut me up! I speak out all the time, I got to demos and other events, I write & perform, I do a lot of things, you don't know me at all, you're making an awful lot of assumptions.
I AM grateful, very very grateful, to the feminists and gay rights activists who came before me! sheesh. Just cuz I don't agree with people who are jerks to men doesn't men that I am somehow anti-feminist. So take it down a notch.
To elaborate, I love an fight for gender equality, I hate and fight against misogyny, transphobia AND misandry. All I'm saying is that there's lots of people like me who appreciate gender as a spectrum and respect EVERYBODY on that spectrum, including He-Men, long as they ain't women-haters.
There are lots of male feminists out there, and some of them have been made to feel bad by some female feminists. The term "feminazis" refers to such who need to lighten up and who demonize all men. By the way, some people like me who are on the trans spectrum have been made to feel excluded by feminazis, too.a