Strong Economy

[Jaddeede]

If we have a strong economy we will have more people, more jobs, more protection, more rights, and more control, over our nation.

[Hydesland]

Actually a stronger economy is often associated with a reduction in population growth, and sometimes even a decline in population. So the 'more people' part isn't necessarily true.

[Naurobia]

Countries that have the strongest economies and most GDP per capita tend to have smaller populations.

[OuroborosCobra]

Countries with strong economies tend to have lower population growths. Families in such countries tend not to have as many children; there is less fear of child mortality, and the children are not needed for doing work at home or out of the home in order for the family to survive.

I'll give you "more jobs." That, generally speaking, does go with a strong economy. This isn't always the case, though. Saudi Arabia is a good example, they are a country that, by the number, appears to have a pretty strong economy. Yet among their own population, as much as 1/4th of the people eligible for jobs (read, the men) are out of work. If we include the women, it gets far worse.

More protection and more rights I'm going to have to strongly contest. This has often had connections to a strong economy, but it may not have any actual causation relationship, rather than a correlation. As we are seeing with growing economies like China, you can go on the road to a strong economy without doing much at all for individual rights. The Chinese people have basically been given the right to buy stuff, and next to no other rights.

More control should be obvious as not necessarily being true. Just look at the United States. We've got a strong economy (relatively speaking to both our history, and the rest of the world), but we also have a greater gap between the rich and the poor than we did at times of our history where we had slavery. That gap has a lot to do with individual control of the nation, that small wealthy group has far more national influence than the large poor group, or even the middle class. Again, we see that in China control over the nation does not go hand in hand with economic progress.

[New Manvir]

Brilliant, I can't fathom why more countries don't just decide to have strong economies, seems obvious really.

[Angleter]

No, I think you're wrong. A strong economy is not good for the nation, and that's why our government will continue with its 'weak economy' policy.

[Siorafrica]

If we have a strong economy we will have more people, more jobs, more protection, more rights, and more control, over our nation.

I agree.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

If we have a strong economy we will have more people, more jobs, more protection, more rights, and more control, over our nation.

Is this supposed to be a debate?

[Angleter]

If we have a strong economy we will have more people, more jobs, more protection, more rights, and more control, over our nation.

I agree.

I disagree. A weak economy is the way to go.

[New Manvir]

I agree.

I disagree. A weak economy is the way to go.

prosperity and success are for suckers.

[Angleter]

I disagree. A weak economy is the way to go.

prosperity and success are for suckers.

Damn straight.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

If we have a strong economy we will have more people, more jobs, more protection, more rights, and more control, over our nation.

So? What's your point?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Countries that have the strongest economies and most GDP per capita tend to have smaller populations.

See: Luxembourg.

[Chrobalta]

Actually a stronger economy is often associated with a reduction in population growth, and sometimes even a decline in population. So the 'more people' part isn't necessarily true.

But for how long can a country remain strong with such demographic trends? Europe and Japan will face shrinking tax bases, increased pension costs, increased health care costs, etc. The fact that Europe and Japan are industrialized has allowed them to push off crisis for now, long term it will be problematic.

[Czardas]

Brilliant, I can't fathom why more countries don't just decide to have strong economies, seems obvious really.

Indeed. You may well have solved all our problems! Let's just have the economy be strong!

Actually a stronger economy is often associated with a reduction in population growth, and sometimes even a decline in population. So the 'more people' part isn't necessarily true.

But for how long can a country remain strong with such demographic trends? Europe and Japan will face shrinking tax bases, increased pension costs, increased health care costs, etc. The fact that Europe and Japan are industrialized has allowed them to push off crisis for now, long term it will be problematic.

The size of any given population tends to stabilise over time, all else being equal; after a period of rapid growth this means a period of decline, followed by smaller growth, followed by smaller decline etc. Of course, immigration and economic conditions do also need to be taken into account, but Europe and Japan aren't going to become empty, lifeless wastelands anytime soon.

[Shnercropolis]

how, exactly, would we get a strong economy? We already kinda have one. And the part about population decrease obviously doesn't affect China or India.

[Keronians]

how, exactly, would we get a strong economy? We already kinda have one. And the part about population decrease obviously doesn't affect China or India.

*cough* One Child Policy *cough*

The Chinese had the fertility rate come down by force. Of course, they've realised that they've made a mess and gotten rid of it...

As for India, our fertility rate isn't all that high, tbh. It's somewhere between 2 and 3, IIRC. It USED to be very bad.

[OuroborosCobra]

how, exactly, would we get a strong economy? We already kinda have one. And the part about population decrease obviously doesn't affect China or India.

*cough* One Child Policy *cough*

The Chinese had the fertility rate come down by force. Of course, they've realised that they've made a mess and gotten rid of it...

China has not gotten rid of the One Child Policy. Nor have they done much to fix the mess of it. The government doesn't really care about the many human rights issues and downright terrible abuses of its people that have occurred in the name of the policy, and it has done little effective to try and help with the gender disparity issue.

[Volnotova]

If we have a strong economy we will have more people, more jobs, more protection, more rights, and more control, over our nation.

Is this supposed to be a debate?

And right when I thought I was the only one...

[The Mighty Islands]

In a very general sense, economies pretty much cycle through good and bad. The U.S. is in a recession. As our dollar value goes down, we stop buying things and start selling thing. Then we start reaching full employment as we sell more with our devalued currency. Then as we sell more and get more jobs, our currency value goes up, then we start buying things and because as things in the nation start costing less, people don't need as many jobs and employment goes down. Then we start printing more money because it is worth more than before and the value starts going down until we reach a recession. Repeat.

[Sibirsky]

Countries that have the strongest economies and most GDP per capita tend to have smaller populations.

See: Luxembourg.

See United States, Germany, United Kingdom, Japan...

Also see Burundi, Zimbabwe, Liberia.

[Sibirsky]

No, I think you're wrong. A strong economy is not good for the nation, and that's why our government will continue with its 'weak economy' policy.

It certainly seems like that's their goal.

[Ashmoria]

how, exactly, would we get a strong economy? We already kinda have one. And the part about population decrease obviously doesn't affect China or India.

*cough* One Child Policy *cough*

The Chinese had the fertility rate come down by force. Of course, they've realised that they've made a mess and gotten rid of it...

As for India, our fertility rate isn't all that high, tbh. It's somewhere between 2 and 3, IIRC. It USED to be very bad.

ya but you have the scary gender imbalance thing. (so does china). thats its own big fat problem.

[Montanaa]

If we have a strong economy we will have more people, more jobs, more protection, more rights, and more control, over our nation.

Following the general trend, >see China, India
Relatively strong economies, yet incredible corruption and a totalitarian government...

[OuroborosCobra]

See: Luxembourg.

See United States, Germany, United Kingdom, Japan...

Also see Burundi, Zimbabwe, Liberia.

Yeah, the correlation isn't really about population size, but rather population growth. It's also more that the strong economies remove the pressure to have such a positive population growth.