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Nail chewing is evolutionarily rational

Postby The Floridian Coast » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:28 am

I have thought about this a lot. People most commonly say that chewing on your nails is a bad habit, and that may be so, I understand all of the associate bacteria and your hands are dirty and blah blah blah, yeah I know. But isn't there an evolutionary reason to chew nails?

Long nails couldn't have been too beneficial for the first humans, they inhibit the ability to use our hands most efficiently. Of course, completely flat and non-growing nails wouldn't have worked either, because sometimes our nails need some sharpness to get things done. So it would only make sense that we evolved an instinct to bite off our own nails, so they weren't getting in the way and inhibiting life. Nail clippers are a recent invention. So despite all of the things to dislike about it, I'd really have to think chewing nails is as natural as breathing.

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Postby Oterro » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:30 am

Makes it hard to peel oranges.
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Postby Naurobia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:31 am

It may be impractical in modern day life but your hypothesis makes sense.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:32 am

The Floridian Coast wrote:I have thought about this a lot. People most commonly say that chewing on your nails is a bad habit, and that may be so, I understand all of the associate bacteria and your hands are dirty and blah blah blah, yeah I know. But isn't there an evolutionary reason to chew nails?

Long nails couldn't have been too beneficial for the first humans, they inhibit the ability to use our hands most efficiently. Of course, completely flat and non-growing nails wouldn't have worked either, because sometimes our nails need some sharpness to get things done. So it would only make sense that we evolved an instinct to bite off our own nails, so they weren't getting in the way and inhibiting life. Nail clippers are a recent invention. So despite all of the things to dislike about it, I'd really have to think chewing nails is as natural as breathing.

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I actually would've thought that biting your nail is more tedious than reducing its growth by grinding it with a rock or using fingernail files. I never seem to be able to break my nails by just biting it.
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Postby Interstellar Britannia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:32 am

No, it is a very nasty habit that is both dirty, uncouth, and ruins your teeth.

Ever since man invented sharp implements, they had a means to cut their nails to unfeminine lengths. Biting nails is tantamount to devolution into pre-civilisation neanderthals.

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Postby Total Georgism » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:35 am

Meh, I bite my nails all the time without even thinking about it.
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Postby Imsogone » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:39 am

In a "primitive" (I.e. non-technological) culture, nails were worn down in the course of doing strenuous physical work. So doubt much nail-biting occured. I think it 's a more recent, stress-related behavior that's a regression to thumb-sucking as a comforting act. Of course, I'm neither psychologist nor anthropologist, but that makes more sense to me.
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Postby Make up your own mind » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:43 am

Apparently other animals do this as well. I would say that it was evolutionarily rational.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:45 am

I guess you could also argue that ingesting the nails, which are indeed some of the dirtiest parts of the body, allowed us to acclimatise our bodies to disease - eating it and putting it through the stomach is enough to severely weaken most pathogenic contamination, which means it works similarly to a vaccine.

This is also the theory behind why we ingest our own mucous, by the way.
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:46 am

Zeno bites nails when curious or nervous. But otherwise... no... not ever.

Always the clean hand though... never the hand Zeno wipes with... that's ew.

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Postby Utopia FTW » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:46 am

From a cracked article;
"Nail-biting can have devastating and disgusting effects if it becomes too severe. Irreparable damage can be caused to the sufferer's cuticles if nothing is done about the condition. It can also harm teeth, and has been shown to transfer bacteria from around your body into your mouth. Cases have been reported of people transferring pinworms from the anus to the mouth by nail biting. Along with bad cuticles, gross teeth and ass worms in your mouth, nail biting also can affect a person's employability, self-esteem and social interactions."
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Postby Oterro » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:47 am

Tubbsalot wrote:I guess you could also argue that ingesting the nails, which are indeed some of the dirtiest parts of the body, allowed us to acclimatise our bodies to disease - eating it and putting it through the stomach is enough to severely weaken most pathogenic contamination, which means it works similarly to a vaccine.

This is also the theory behind why we ingest our own mucous, by the way.


People ingest the nails?

I just spit mine out.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:48 am

The Floridian Coast wrote:I have thought about this a lot. People most commonly say that chewing on your nails is a bad habit, and that may be so, I understand all of the associate bacteria and your hands are dirty and blah blah blah, yeah I know. But isn't there an evolutionary reason to chew nails?

Long nails couldn't have been too beneficial for the first humans, they inhibit the ability to use our hands most efficiently. Of course, completely flat and non-growing nails wouldn't have worked either, because sometimes our nails need some sharpness to get things done. So it would only make sense that we evolved an instinct to bite off our own nails, so they weren't getting in the way and inhibiting life. Nail clippers are a recent invention. So despite all of the things to dislike about it, I'd really have to think chewing nails is as natural as breathing.

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Modern human beings don't work with their hands as much as prehistoric people did, thus they don't wear down their nails. The idea that we evolved an instinct to bite our nails is about as reasonable as implying animals did the same. They don't; since they don't have desk jobs, they still naturally wear down their nails (and teeth) naturally.

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Postby The Merchant Republics » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:50 am

Imsogone wrote:In a "primitive" (I.e. non-technological) culture, nails were worn down in the course of doing strenuous physical work. So doubt much nail-biting occured. I think it 's a more recent, stress-related behavior that's a regression to thumb-sucking as a comforting act. Of course, I'm neither psychologist nor anthropologist, but that makes more sense to me.

I'm inclined to agree.

Chewing your nails is usually brought on by stress and you usually won't do it otherwise, if it were a grooming pattern we wouldn't see that.
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Postby Make up your own mind » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:59 am

Laerod wrote: The idea that we evolved an instinct to bite our nails is about as reasonable as implying animals did the same. They don't; since they don't have desk jobs, they still naturally wear down their nails (and teeth) naturally.
Actually they do http://www.pawnation.com/2010/05/10/pet ... -behavior/
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Postby Tannarabia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:59 am

Biting nails would have been a very effective way for VERY early humans to cut their nails. First off, since we evolved from primates, we would have climbed trees alot, so biting nails rather than just chopping them off would have been the way. However, in our modern society, it is and forever will be(until, for some odd reaso[me] society breaks down) unclean and under cutting.
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Postby Alevuss » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:04 pm

I only bite my nails when I don't have nail clippers within a reachable walking distance and they are so awkwardly sharp/jagged that I must deal with them immediately.

I do see your point, though.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:11 pm

Make up your own mind wrote:
Laerod wrote: The idea that we evolved an instinct to bite our nails is about as reasonable as implying animals did the same. They don't; since they don't have desk jobs, they still naturally wear down their nails (and teeth) naturally.
Actually they do http://www.pawnation.com/2010/05/10/pet ... -behavior/

Kinda supports my earlier claim insofar as they're domesticated and don't have to engage in behavior that would normally wear down their nails.

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Postby Tubbsalot » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:12 pm

Oterro wrote:People ingest the nails?

I just spit mine out.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:15 pm

I think this is a pretty resounding "No, not really".

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Postby Lordieth » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:21 pm

I bite my nails. However for me it's a sign of stress and/or anxiety. Or boredom, deep thought, concentration, nicotine withdrawal, tiredness, hyperactivity, impatience, interest, daydreaming and generally just as a comforting thing to do.

So yeah I basically type with stubs O_o'

I like the OP's theory. It certainly seems like an evolutionary throwback.

I am going to stop biting my nails and buy a damn nail file and buffer.
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Postby Make up your own mind » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:26 pm

Laerod wrote:
Make up your own mind wrote: Actually they do http://www.pawnation.com/2010/05/10/pet ... -behavior/

Kinda supports my earlier claim insofar as they're domesticated and don't have to engage in behavior that would normally wear down their nails.

Yeah it kinda does.
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Postby Idealismania » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:26 pm

Imsogone wrote:In a "primitive" (I.e. non-technological) culture, nails were worn down in the course of doing strenuous physical work. So doubt much nail-biting occured. I think it 's a more recent, stress-related behavior that's a regression to thumb-sucking as a comforting act. Of course, I'm neither psychologist nor anthropologist, but that makes more sense to me.


I know I pick at my nails and bite/clip them constantly. But it's worse when I'm under stress or can't focus on something that I want to. Then I do it almost subconsciously.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:28 pm

It would have to be a fairly recent evolution- your nails get worn down fast enough generally when you're strutin' about in the wild.
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Postby Marcurix » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:38 pm

Onychophagia, the scientific term for nail biting, is one of the most common medical conditions in the world.

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http://www.cracked.com/article_19228_6- ... rc=fanpage
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