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Referendum in Conscientia! (All must participate!)

Where nations come together and discuss matters of varying degrees of importance. [In character]

Which reform do you support?

Poll ended at Mon May 16, 2011 12:13 pm

Orange Faction: Union of City-States
29
58%
Yellow Faction: People's Parliament
21
42%
 
Total votes : 50

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Referendum in Conscientia! (All must participate!)

Postby Conscentia » Sun May 15, 2011 12:10 pm

The Referendum is over! The Orange Faction has won. Voting is closed. Votes given after this time will not be counted.
The results:
Orange: 58% of votes
Yellow: 42% of votes

The plans of Orange Faction shall be put into practice.

Welcome! Today marks the beginning of an important time in Conscientia's history.

As you may know our ruling government has recently split into two factions over which government structure reform should be put into practice. Both want to restructure the government, but they cannot agree on how to do it.

All must vote in this referendum! They are also strongly urged to post!
We must remind you...Voting is mandatory and posting is obligatory.

Orange Faction:
They plan to radically restructure government. They propose that the country by split into united city states. Each city state elects a council who would be lead by someone who would represent the council and be a member of Parliament. Their leaders make up the Parliament.
The Council Of Regional Representatives will be abolished, as their purpose has now been absorbed by the Parliament.
They believe this will be more democratic.
The Heads of State would become part of the Parliament. The would be required to attend parliament. They would gain no extra power. They would still be directly elected by the people.
Under their system every member of Parliament is equal*, and so there is no head of government.
*Though the Heads of State must attend Parliament and can debate in Parliament, they are not members of parliament and do not posses any of the powers of a member of parliament.
They want all elections to be held using the "Single Transferable Vote" system of voting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

The Yellow Faction (opposition faction) think this can lead to far too many disagreements in parliament causing the democratic process to go too slowly.

Yellow Faction:
Their plan was the original plan. They want to establish the people as an official pillar of government.
Forum buildings would be built in every city, here the people would discuss things of political importance. This is were political parties will also debate. Etc.
The "People's Parliament" as it would be called, will have the ability to hold national referendums. If more than 2/3 of the population vote then the decision of the people shall be passed.
The People's Parliament will also be able to send their elected representatives to debate against the National Parliament.
Yellow Faction argues that this is the least expensive option and that it also increases democracy without slowing the democratic process. They also say that their current system has served the nation well enough and does not need to be almost completely replaced.
The Orange Faction argues that this isn't enough, and that their more radical change in needed in order to bring about more democracy. They also argue that keeping their 'winner takes all' parliament system leaves up to 49.999999% of the population without the leader they voted for.

((There have been 160 views of this topic...that means their could have been 160 votes...all I want is 50...100 votes would be ideal...but I would happily settle for 50 votes.))
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Postby Marcheria » Mon May 16, 2011 12:00 pm

The USSM supports the Yellow Party, in the hopes that more power will go to the Conscientian Proletariat.
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Postby Federalist Rome » Mon May 16, 2011 12:02 pm

The Empire Of Federalist Rome Supports The Peoples Parliment

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Postby New Glennland » Mon May 16, 2011 12:07 pm

New Glennland does not try to influence the domestic politics of other nations, but in private we are rooting for the Orange faction since their agenda is close to our system, which we quite like.

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Postby Conscentia » Mon May 16, 2011 12:11 pm

Marcheria wrote:The USSM supports the Yellow Party, in the hopes that more power will go to the Conscientian Proletariat.


The Yellow Faction appreciates the support.

We wish to remind you that this is not an election, and these are not parties. This is a referendum to sort out an argument that the parliament cannot decide upon.

The Orange Faction is displeased that you do not think their plan gives more power to the people. They argue their system gives far more power to the people than the plan of the Yellow Faction.

The Yellow Faction responds by pointing out that the Orange Faction are not offering to official mark the people as a pillar of government.

The Orange Faction respond by saying that doing so is necessary and point out that it won't give the people any more power than they already had.

Yellow Faction responds with their usual arguments against Orange Faction plans.


Federalist Rome wrote:The Empire Of Federalist Rome Supports The Peoples Parliment


The Yellow Faction rejoices!

New Glennland wrote:New Glennland does not try to influence the domestic politics of other nations, but in private we are rooting for the Orange faction since their agenda is close to our system, which we quite like.


The Orange Faction is pleased by your support.


((If there have been 52 views there could have been 52 votes...))
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Postby Sebastianalandia » Mon May 16, 2011 3:35 pm

Marcheria wrote:The USSM supports the Yellow Party, in the hopes that more power will go to the Conscientian Proletariat.


The USSS echoes this.
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Postby Otrenia » Tue May 17, 2011 2:11 pm

Otrenia supports the Orange Party, as we view federalism as more democratic by being closer to the people.

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Postby Lerro » Tue May 17, 2011 2:14 pm

Are there any other policies or issues with these two parties here besides the voting structure?

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Postby Conscentia » Tue May 17, 2011 2:54 pm

Otrenia wrote:Otrenia supports the Orange Party, as we view federalism as more democratic by being closer to the people.


Orange Faction...not party...The Yellow Faction and Orange Faction are part of the same party.

The Orange Faction rejoices after recently taking the lead! They thank all their supporters and hope that more support will follow.

The Yellow Faction respond by pointing out that the referendum isn't over and that they could still lose.

Lerro wrote:Are there any other policies or issues with these two parties here besides the voting structure?


It's not only voting structure they disagree upon. In-fact it is not the voting structure that is their main concern. Their main concern is the structure of the government itself.

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Postby Otrenia » Tue May 17, 2011 2:55 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Otrenia wrote:Otrenia supports the Orange Party, as we view federalism as more democratic by being closer to the people.


Orange Faction...not party...The Yellow Faction and Orange Faction are part of the same party.


Please excuse our mistake, :oops: , we meant no disrespect

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Postby Conscentia » Tue May 17, 2011 3:04 pm

Otrenia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
Orange Faction...not party...The Yellow Faction and Orange Faction are part of the same party.


Please excuse our mistake, :oops: , we meant no disrespect


We understand...we know that not everyone knows that our elections only happen on years ending in a 5 or 0.
Examples:
2030 is an election year...2025 was an election...2035 will be an election...4964 is not an election year....7360 is and election year, providing our nation lasts that long.

The next election is in ~3 years.

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Postby Threlizdun » Tue May 17, 2011 3:52 pm

OOC: I'm rather confused on this topic. The Orange Faction appears to wish to establish a system closer to Federalism, while the Yellow Party appears to give a nod to the Roman Republic and wishes for the people to play a major role. How is the Orange Party more radical and cause a wider gap in political ideology? It seems like the opposite would be true.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue May 17, 2011 11:00 pm

Threlizdun wrote:OOC: I'm rather confused on this topic. The Orange Faction appears to wish to establish a system closer to Federalism, while the Yellow Party appears to give a nod to the Roman Republic and wishes for the people to play a major role. How is the Orange Faction more radical and cause a wider gap in political ideology? It seems like the opposite would be true.


OOC: It's not that the Factions are more or less radical, it's the ideas they suggest which are more or less radical. Currently, in the imaginary nation of Conscientia, they do not have federalism and whoever wins the election gets all of parliament.
The Yellow Faction won't change that. The Orange one will.
The Orange plan can be thought of as changing Ancient Rome into Ancient Greece...of-coarse that is wrong but it's close enough, so think of it that way if it helps.

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Postby The Planet Carpathia » Wed May 18, 2011 9:03 am

After further explanation, The Planet Carpathia has changed it's mind and withdrawn support from the Yellow Faction and is instead supporting the Orange Faction, despite registering an objection to the slightly strange choice of voting system they wish to use for election of City Councils (we remain commited to supporting the use of the Supplementary Vote or Instant Runoff for single winner elections, and Proportional Representation for all others).
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Postby Conscentia » Wed May 18, 2011 10:03 am

The Planet Carpathia wrote:After further explanation, The Planet Carpathia has changed it's mind and withdrawn support from the Yellow Faction and is instead supporting the Orange Faction, despite registering an objection to the slightly strange choice of voting system they wish to use for election of City Councils (we remain commited to supporting the use of the Supplementary Vote or Instant Runoff for single winner elections, and Proportional Representation for all others).


The Orange Faction have announced that they plan to use the Single Transferable Vote instead of Range Voting.
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Postby Marcheria » Wed May 18, 2011 1:28 pm

The USSM pleads all nations to vote for the Yellows, as the People must reign supreme!
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Postby Dracacia » Wed May 18, 2011 1:43 pm

The Dracacian Republic have voted for the Orange Faction.
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Postby Conscentia » Wed May 18, 2011 2:15 pm

Marcheria wrote:The USSM pleads all nations to vote for the Yellows, as the People must reign supreme!


Orange Faction:
Our system allows the people to rule supreme! The "yellows" will give the people no more power than they had before!
Their plan will not bring in proportional representation and is less democratic.
This referendum is the perfect chance to bring in a fairer, more democratic system; and the "yellows" are not the ones who will give you that better system.

Yellow Faction:
Don't listen to the Orange Faction! They system will slow democracy down so much it won't work at all, will break down and we wil lend up with a dictator...or perhaps worse...a monarch.
Perhaps we are overreacting but their system still slows the democratic system up a lot and will cost the nation a fortune, when it's economy is already struggling in comparison to the capitalist consumerist wage drones in the global economy.
There is nothing wrong with the current way of doing things and it's about time the people had some place to debate politics and a place where political parties can discuss properly.
Our plan is better, vote for us! The election isn't over! We can still take the lead!

Orange Faction:
Don't listen to their propaganda! This could be our last chance to reform the government structure in a positive way before our party is deselected. Hopefully we will be re-elected but we mustn't risk leaving this for another term in power that we may not have for decades.
The current way of doing things is over a decade old! It's time for the next phase of the plan. Our party has always planned to further restructure the government. It is best to do it now rather than waiting. By the time such a chance comes again it could be too late!
We are pleased that we hold the lead and we hope that more shall vote for us so that we may claim victory over this debate.

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Postby Outlying States » Wed May 18, 2011 2:20 pm

The CoS strongly supports the Orange Party. As a successful nation based on the principles of confederate governance, we would be happy to see more in the world.

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Postby Khanastan » Wed May 18, 2011 2:22 pm

The Khanese state has decided to vote for the Orange Faction as this means that the country *should* be able to govern idividual sectors well with an appropriate budget.
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Postby Liriena » Wed May 18, 2011 2:25 pm

Liriena supports the Orange Faction, because an excess of democracy may lead to anarchy and dissorder or apathy.
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Postby Conscentia » Wed May 18, 2011 2:26 pm

Outlying States wrote:The CoS strongly supports the Orange Party. As a successful nation based on the principles of confederate governance, we would be happy to see more in the world.


Once again: Not "Party", they are factions of the same party. Both sides are party of the same party.

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