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What do the Republicans care about more?

Abortion
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45%
Abortion
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Abortion
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Abortion
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House Passes Anti-Abortion Bill

Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 05, 2011 6:58 pm

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/wicker-dont-hold-your-breath-for-hr-3-passage-in-the-senate.php

Republican sponsors of H.R. 3, the divisive abortion-limiting bill that passed in the House on Wednesday by a 251-175 vote, are preparing to introduce the legislation to a Democratic-controlled Senate where even they admit its chances of advancing are slim to none.

Senator Roger Wicker (R-MS) remained optimistic that the bill would serve a vital message for pro-life supporters even as the Obama administration threatened to veto the legislation if it reached the president's desk.

"Every time we've attempted to advance the pro-life cause through legislation it has always started out as an uphill battle," Wicker told TPM. "It's unlikely that we'll be able to get to 60 votes. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try."

The bill seeks a permanent ban on federal funding for abortions including rolling back key provisions of the Affordable Care Act, the health-care reform bill which passed last year and one of the president's most hard-fought victories. Critics maintain that the bill would deprive low-income women and minorities of access to abortions and eliminate tax-credits to struggling small businesses.

But given the harsh political reality the bill faces, the latest Republican effort to limit abortion seems less like a priority for this Congress and more like political cover ahead of the impending 2012 election.

"Elections have consequences," Wicker said. "We wouldn't be here without the November 2010 election. I think this is among the very important issues that the American people will be called upon to look at in the 2012 election."

The true test for Republicans who are determined to bring H.R. 3 to center-stage will come in the next few months. Some proponents maintain that "If you don't move the ball down the field," as Congresswoman Jean Schmidt (R-OH) says, "it's never going to get moved."

Others favor a more elaborate technique in the Senate by seeking Democratic votes in favor of H.R. 3 in exchange for Republican votes on the upcoming debt-ceiling hike confrontation.

Senator Wicker demurred on the issue, saying it's unlikely that he will tie the bill to the debt-ceiling issue. But, at least for the moment, it remains to be seen what other avenues he has at his disposal to advance the legislation.

Perhaps, as Schmidt says, "he might get lucky, and we hope he will."


Alright Republicans, we get it. You don't care about anything but abortion and privatizing Medicare. Why do you have to keep reminding us?

A well, at least it won't pass the senate, and it will probably alienate many of those who voted Republican expecting "jobs, jobs, jobs."

Well, NSG, what do you think of the situation? Will this negatively affect the GOP in 2012?
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Postby Takaram » Thu May 05, 2011 6:59 pm

It's not going anywhere. Senate won't pass it and Obama would veto it anyway. In other words, pointless pandering to the base for the election.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 05, 2011 6:59 pm

What happened to jobs, jobs, jobs?

And to be honest, it's too early to pander this way. They ought to do it next year and try to make Obama veto it during the campaign.
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Postby Wilgrove » Thu May 05, 2011 7:00 pm

Ok....*sigh*.....How many bills have they even come up with so far? Because apparently they've only came up with three bills since taking office.

*sigh* There's really only one way to describe this failure.

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Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 05, 2011 7:00 pm

Takaram wrote:It's not going anywhere. Senate won't pass it and Obama would veto it anyway. In other words, pointless pandering to the base for the election.

Not to mention the restriction of private business, which they tend to oppose.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 05, 2011 7:01 pm

I am convinced that women's rights are fundamentally incompatible with mainstream Republicanism. That vile party is beginning to stand for virtually everything that's politically wrong with the U.S.
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Postby Takaram » Thu May 05, 2011 7:02 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Takaram wrote:It's not going anywhere. Senate won't pass it and Obama would veto it anyway. In other words, pointless pandering to the base for the election.

Not to mention the restriction of private business, which they tend to oppose.


Shh! They're for jobs! See! Private sector! Trickle-down economics! We like freedom, as long as it's our freedoms!
The thing is, they haven't done any more to fix the economy than the Democrats, so they have to find some way to inflame their base. Turn the conversation from the economy they've been talking about to something where everyone already knows where they stand.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu May 05, 2011 7:03 pm

Takaram wrote:It's not going anywhere. Senate won't pass it and Obama would veto it anyway. In other words, pointless pandering to the base for the election.

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Postby Wilgrove » Thu May 05, 2011 7:06 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:I am convinced that women's rights are fundamentally incompatible with mainstream Republicanism. That vile party is beginning to stand for virtually everything that's politically wrong with the U.S.


100% agreed.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu May 05, 2011 7:16 pm

Glad to hear it. Unfortunately it won't pass the Senate, nor would Obama sign it.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 05, 2011 7:18 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:Glad to hear it. Unfortunately it won't pass the Senate, nor would Obama sign it.

If he did, he sure wouldn't get my vote.
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Postby Wilgrove » Thu May 05, 2011 7:20 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:Glad to hear it. Unfortunately it won't pass the Senate, nor would Obama sign it.


Why are you glad to hear it? I mean with all the current problems that we have, abortion doesn't rate very high on most people's list, well except for Fundies who get off on pictures of aborted fetuses.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 05, 2011 7:25 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Glad to hear it. Unfortunately it won't pass the Senate, nor would Obama sign it.


Why are you glad to hear it? I mean with all the current problems that we have, abortion doesn't rate very high on most people's list, well except for Fundies who get off on pictures of aborted fetuses.

Kicking women around will always rate high on most people's list.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu May 05, 2011 7:25 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Glad to hear it. Unfortunately it won't pass the Senate, nor would Obama sign it.


Why are you glad to hear it? I mean with all the current problems that we have, abortion doesn't rate very high on most people's list, well except for Fundies who get off on pictures of aborted fetuses.


Because I consider myself pro-life.

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Postby Principia Moderni » Thu May 05, 2011 7:26 pm

What happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Anyway, Abortion is not all Republicans care about.

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Postby Wilgrove » Thu May 05, 2011 7:30 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
Why are you glad to hear it? I mean with all the current problems that we have, abortion doesn't rate very high on most people's list, well except for Fundies who get off on pictures of aborted fetuses.


Because I consider myself pro-life.


Well, keep it to your own life, government should NOT be in the business of governing morality and telling people what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Meanwhile, we need to fix jobs, our budget, education, infrastructure, oil prices....we don't have time for this abortion bullshit.

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Postby Wilgrove » Thu May 05, 2011 7:31 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:What happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Anyway, Abortion is not all Republicans care about.


Their track record since taking over the House seems to indicate otherwise.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 05, 2011 7:31 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
Why are you glad to hear it? I mean with all the current problems that we have, abortion doesn't rate very high on most people's list, well except for Fundies who get off on pictures of aborted fetuses.


Because I consider myself pro-life.

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Postby Syvorji » Thu May 05, 2011 7:32 pm

Meh. Proves why every single American is imperialist. Now, where is the Hasselhoff option? :p

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 05, 2011 7:34 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:What happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Anyway, Abortion is not all Republicans care about.

They also care about shifting the tax burden the poor and middle class. They care about mixing church and state. They care cutting aid to children and the elderly. They care about denying gays equal treatment.

Pretty much their only redeemable quality is that they are in favor of one's right to own a gun, and even that most Democrats have in common with them.
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Postby Principia Moderni » Thu May 05, 2011 7:34 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Principia Moderni wrote:What happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Anyway, Abortion is not all Republicans care about.


Their track record since taking over the House seems to indicate otherwise.


If someone tried making killing people legal, wouldn't you try to end that?

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Postby Wilgrove » Thu May 05, 2011 7:36 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
Their track record since taking over the House seems to indicate otherwise.


If someone tried making killing people legal, wouldn't you try to end that?


Your analogy fails, a fetus is not a person, and abortion is not a murder.

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Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 05, 2011 7:36 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
Their track record since taking over the House seems to indicate otherwise.


If someone tried making killing people legal, wouldn't you try to end that?

Before anyone gets this started, this thread isn't a debate about abortion. It is about the effects that this bill will have on American politics.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 05, 2011 7:37 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
Their track record since taking over the House seems to indicate otherwise.


If someone tried making killing people legal, wouldn't you try to end that?

Justifiable homicide should be legal.
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Postby Mosasauria » Thu May 05, 2011 7:38 pm

Ahhh, gotta love the government waste and moralistic 'solutions' when there are real problems to be dealt with.
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