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[PASSED] Condemn the Greater German Reich

Postby Bazlantis » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:35 am

In light of the recent activities of the Greater German Reich and their hostility towards peaceful leftist region I have decided to create a proposal to put up at the World Assembly Security Council to condemn them and their actions.

This is a draft I have created and I was hoping to get some feedback on it.

The World Assembly,

DEDICATED to the furtherment of international peace, goodwill and harmony between regions,

ACKNOWLEDGING the region of The Greater German Reich as a region that was created for the sole purpose of disrupting the harmony of ordinarily peaceful and active regions, leftist or otherwise.

RECOGNISING The Greater German Reich as a threat to the safety and stability of the world

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING the havoc, mayhem and destruction the above mentioned region has caused though its considerable raiding forces (under the leadership of its Founder Leather-clad Germany) to other passive and democratic regions such as the most recent examples of Leningrad, Socialist Alliance, The Jewish Zionist Empire and to a lesser extent the New Union of Socialist Nations and the Democratic Socialist Alliance.

REMINDING nations that at least one liberation resolution (SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION # 41 “Liberate Republicans”) has had to be imposed by the Security Council in response to the hostile acts of The Greater German Reich

ALARMED at the inability for many of the smaller regions, on which the forces of The Greater German Reich prey, to successfully repel its raiding parties.

DISTURBED at the complete disregard for peace, democracy, regional/state sovereignty and freedom exercised by The Greater German Reich at all levels.

DISMAYED at the fact that The Greater German Reich has not been held accountable to its crimes in this forum sooner and the fact that the overwhelming feelings of injustice for the natives of the targeted regions is further reinforced by the lack world support and lack of punishment for The Greater German Reich

BELIEVING that steps must be taken in order to bring attention to the horrendous acts carried out by The Greater German Reich

CONCLUDING the actions of The Greater German Reich to be especially abominable and to be in utter opposition of the World Assembly Security Council’s goal of spreading interregional peace and goodwill

HEREBY CONDEMNS The Greater German Reich
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:39 am

While my time in charge of the GGR's military was short, it was very clear to me that the Greater German Reich easily conducts as many operations to defend fascist regions from communist invaders as they do to invade regions they don't like. They also conduct many operations to retake and refound fascist regions from communist victors. The war between the fascists and the communists is entirely give and take in equal portions of raiding and defending; the World Assembly Security Council would be extremely foolish to support a proposal that favours one side over the other when both sides fight dirty.
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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:26 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:While my time in charge of the GGR's military was short, it was very clear to me that the Greater German Reich easily conducts as many operations to defend fascist regions from communist invaders as they do to invade regions they don't like. They also conduct many operations to retake and refound fascist regions from communist victors. The war between the fascists and the communists is entirely give and take in equal portions of raiding and defending; the World Assembly Security Council would be extremely foolish to support a proposal that favours one side over the other when both sides fight dirty.

Then we can condemn both sides, obviously.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:27 pm

Good luck getting someone condemned when their direct enemy has also already been condemned. The WASC's policy here should be total neutrality, not accidentally messing up their impartiality because of an abandoned plan to tell both sides to shove it.
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Postby Bazlantis » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:44 pm

Well I'm sorry, my friend, but I will not subscribe to your theory of sitting on our hands and doing nothing whilst peaceful and progressive nations are being destroyed around us
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Postby Canadaiana » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:06 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:While my time in charge of the GGR's military was short, it was very clear to me that the Greater German Reich easily conducts as many operations to defend fascist regions from communist invaders as they do to invade regions they don't like. They also conduct many operations to retake and refound fascist regions from communist victors. The war between the fascists and the communists is entirely give and take in equal portions of raiding and defending; the World Assembly Security Council would be extremely foolish to support a proposal that favours one side over the other when both sides fight dirty.


The WASC is dedicated to assuring interregional peace and therefore will step into an eye for an eye war that brews up. Once an equivalent belligerent region is found on the other side, they too will be condemned.

On another note, I do not think this Draft goes far enoguh, I propose adding the situation of conflict bttewn the two sides and the encourgement of Using LIberation Resolutions on any closed regions assocaited with either side. Doing this would hopefully allieante them and prehaps an end to the war would come.

Another thing that should be added is encourgeing Neutral Parties to invade regions occupied by each and return them to their natives for the WASC. We can't legally have an army, but we can influence one. Commendation could be provided to those who conduct such operations. IT's about time the WASC gets tough on regional conflict. that has resulted in the misplacement of billions of refuges.

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:31 am

Canadaiana, Condemnations can only condemn the nominee, and Liberations can only liberate the target region. You can't attach additional sanctions to either of them. Regarding WA Armies, I know you've acknowledged that the WA can't have one, but as a general reminder, I feel it's worth repeating this quote of Ardchoille's:

Ardchoille wrote:*reaches for Modly Chainsaw of Spectacular and Gory Doom*

ANYTHING that looks, sounds, smells, feels or tastes like a reference to a WA-sponsored army, or a WA police force, or a WA volunteer force, or a WA Coalition of the Willing, or anything that in any way resembles any of the above, is going to get the proposal (if submitted), the proposer (if not fast enough on his feet), the proposer's buddies, allies and yea-sayers, and any innocent bystanders who just happen to be standing too close, DEALT WITH by the aforementioned MCoSaGD.

Also, pursued into the after-life, if any.

Do I make myself sufficiently clear?

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Postby Canadaiana » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:44 pm

Sedgistan wrote:Canadaiana, Condemnations can only condemn the nominee, and Liberations can only liberate the target region. You can't attach additional sanctions to either of them. Regarding WA Armies, I know you've acknowledged that the WA can't have one, but as a general reminder, I feel it's worth repeating this quote of Ardchoille's:

Ardchoille wrote:*reaches for Modly Chainsaw of Spectacular and Gory Doom*

ANYTHING that looks, sounds, smells, feels or tastes like a reference to a WA-sponsored army, or a WA police force, or a WA volunteer force, or a WA Coalition of the Willing, or anything that in any way resembles any of the above, is going to get the proposal (if submitted), the proposer (if not fast enough on his feet), the proposer's buddies, allies and yea-sayers, and any innocent bystanders who just happen to be standing too close, DEALT WITH by the aforementioned MCoSaGD.

Also, pursued into the after-life, if any.

Do I make myself sufficiently clear?


I was not aware suggesting outside forces, Not doing, suggesting outside forces do something as against the rules, but I guess rules are rules, whenever ever they are implemented.

However there another problem that there seems to be in differing bettewn Doing and suggesting is that I am not adding two condemnations in one, it would be suggesting a second, I am sure something simiular has been done before in proposals, and will edit this when I find one.

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Postby Unibot II » Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:26 am

I've made edits for Inconsistent Formatting... Unnecessary regional links... I've also clarified the themes of retribution and suppression in the fourth and third last clauses, which provides more meat to the symbolic juxtaposition which you've sandwiched your resolution with in the introductory and penultimate clauses.

Bazlantis wrote:The World Assembly,

DEDICATED to the furtherment of international peace, goodwill and harmony between nations and regions,

ACKNOWLEDGING the region of The Greater German Reich as a region that was created for the sole purpose of disrupting the harmony of ordinarily peaceful and active regions, leftist or otherwise,

RECOGNISING The Greater German Reich as a threat to the safety and stability of the world,

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING the havoc, mayhem and destruction the above mentioned region has caused through its considerable raiding forces (under the leadership of its Founder Leather-clad Germany) to other passive and democratic regions such as the most recent examples of Leningrad, Socialist Alliance, The Jewish Zionist Empire and to a lesser extent the New Union of Socialist Nations and the Democratic Socialist Alliance,

[You could mention Republicans which was subjugated by GGR --> Recall, "Liberate Republicans", a nominee region which still hasn't recovered from the cycle of vulnerability that GRR's near destruction of the region has facilitated]

ALARMED at the inability for many of the smaller regions, on which the forces of The Greater German Reich prey, to successfully repel its raiding parties,

DISTURBED at the complete disregard for human life, peace, democracy [regional and native sovereignty?] and freedom exercised by The Greater German Reich at all levels,

DISMAYED at the fact that The Greater German Reich has not been held accountable to their its crimes, and the overwhelming feelings of injustice for the natives of the targeted regions is facilitated by the lack of punishmentin this forum sooner,

BELIEVING that steps must be taken in order to bring attention to the horrendous acts carried out by The Greater German Reich these horrendous acts by The Greater German Reich can be suppressed and prevented by identifying to member-nations, the major regional actors in these crimes against regional sovereignty ,

CONCLUDING the actions of The Greater German Reich to be especially abominable and to be in complete opposition of the World Assembly Security Council's goal of spreading interregional peace and goodwil,

HENCEFORTH CONDEMNS The Greater German Reich.
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Postby Canadaiana » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:02 am

Sedgistan wrote:Canadaiana, Condemnations can only condemn the nominee, and Liberations can only liberate the target region. You can't attach additional sanctions to either of them. Regarding WA Armies, I know you've acknowledged that the WA can't have one, but as a general reminder, I feel it's worth repeating this quote of Ardchoille's:

Ardchoille wrote:*reaches for Modly Chainsaw of Spectacular and Gory Doom*

ANYTHING that looks, sounds, smells, feels or tastes like a reference to a WA-sponsored army, or a WA police force, or a WA volunteer force, or a WA Coalition of the Willing, or anything that in any way resembles any of the above, is going to get the proposal (if submitted), the proposer (if not fast enough on his feet), the proposer's buddies, allies and yea-sayers, and any innocent bystanders who just happen to be standing too close, DEALT WITH by the aforementioned MCoSaGD.

Also, pursued into the after-life, if any.

Do I make myself sufficiently clear?


Oh look what I have found here:

In resolution 29, and I quote, this was written:
Affirming that a counterattack is impossible to conduct in Greece without the removal of the Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry
This means using the logic

With the logic you have provided, this is classified as the WA sponsoring a counter attack. Can you tell me why you or anyone else has said anything about this? If this thinking is to be enforced at all, why hasn't it be enforced here it. Judging by what I see, my suggestion is entreily legal.

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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:10 am

It doesn't sponsor a counter-attack, or call for one. It simply says that in the current situation, one is not possible.

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Postby Luke Empire » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:25 pm

I vote no on this DRAFT, infinitely.
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Postby GoodNazis » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:26 am

I wouldn't use the word henceforth, rather hereby.

I have a few thoughts, for those who would consider my words.

1. The BlackHawks are proposed to be commended for being a raider region, so why should regions like the GGR be condemned simply because of an ideology you, despite representing a neutral body, disagree with? Max Barry himself has said that any ideology is welcome in this game.

2. Rather than condemn the region for preying off weaker targets, why not support those regions beforehand or by contacting the oh-so-lauded organisations such as the FRA to "rescue" them?

3. The only thing I would condemn them for is their appalling speech patterns. The amount of telegrams I received which began "AAAAACHTUNG HEIL HITLER" while staying there was quite alarming.

By the way, I don't much care for the GGR, no more so than I do any region. But it isn't right to condemn anyone through a thinly disguised veil simply because you disagree with them raiding in the name of Nazism.

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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:40 pm

GoodNazis wrote:I wouldn't use the word henceforth, rather hereby.

I have a few thoughts, for those who would consider my words.

1. The BlackHawks are proposed to be commended for being a raider region, so why should regions like the GGR be condemned simply because of an ideology you, despite representing a neutral body, disagree with? Max Barry himself has said that any ideology is welcome in this game.

2. Rather than condemn the region for preying off weaker targets, why not support those regions beforehand or by contacting the oh-so-lauded organisations such as the FRA to "rescue" them?

3. The only thing I would condemn them for is their appalling speech patterns. The amount of telegrams I received which began "AAAAACHTUNG HEIL HITLER" while staying there was quite alarming.

By the way, I don't much care for the GGR, no more so than I do any region. But it isn't right to condemn anyone through a thinly disguised veil simply because you disagree with them raiding in the name of Nazism.


The Black Hawks have done some good, not that it outweighs the bad. They don't deserve a condemnation as much as G.G.R. And even if their commendation gets to the floor, it won't pass. I can assure you. So let's not worry about what's going on with them, no need to start crying "That's not fair!".

It's not the S.Cs job to protect regions from being invaded.

You seem to forget their R.P'd violence to other members by 'whipping them'. You disagree with their leader? You get whipped. They show no respect towards other regions or nations, and make no attempt to show any manners when dealing with outsiders. Quite, anti-social if you will, at least The Black Hawks can at least PRETEND to be friendly.

What is, and isn't right doesn't really apply here. The S.C is neutral, it is the moderators that check to see if something is 'S.Cly Illegal" and it is the players that pass them.

S.C #37 was a perfect condemnation, on a region which committed many obscene acts, of course, I'm sure you know all about that. I see no reason to not use that as a example when dealing with G.G.R
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Postby Krusoya » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:14 pm

I am for this draft 100%

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[SEEKING DELEGATE SUPPORT] Submitted "Condemn GGR"

Postby Bazlantis » Sun May 01, 2011 6:05 am

I have just submitted this proposed condemnation to the Security Council and I need about 65 endorsements to get it to a global vote. Here is a copy of the proposed condemnation:

The World Assembly,

DEDICATED to the furtherment of international peace, goodwill and harmony between regions,

ACKNOWLEDGING the region of The Greater German Reich as a region that was created for the sole purpose of disrupting the harmony of ordinarily peaceful and active regions, leftist or otherwise.

RECOGNISING The Greater German Reich as a threat to the safety and stability of the world

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING the havoc, mayhem and destruction the above mentioned region has caused though its considerable raiding forces (under the leadership of its Founder Leather-clad Germany) to other passive and democratic regions such as the most recent examples of Leningrad, Socialist Alliance, The Jewish Zionist Empire and to a lesser extent the New Union of Socialist Nations and the Democratic Socialist Alliance.

REMINDING nations that at least one liberation resolution (SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION # 41 “Liberate Republicans”) has had to be imposed by the Security Council in response to the hostile acts of The Greater German Reich

ALARMED at the inability for many of the smaller regions, on which the forces of The Greater German Reich prey, to successfully repel its raiding parties.

DISTURBED at the complete disregard for peace, democracy, regional/state sovereignty and freedom exercised by The Greater German Reich at all levels.

DISMAYED at the fact that [region]The Greater German Reich[/region ] has not been held accountable to its crimes in this forum sooner and the fact that the overwhelming feelings of injustice for the natives of the targeted regions is further reinforced by the lack world support and lack of punishment for The Greater German Reich

BELIEVING that steps must be taken in order to bring attention to the horrendous acts carried out by The Greater German Reich

CONCLUDING the actions of The Greater German Reich to be especially abominable and to be in utter opposition of the World Assembly Security Council’s goal of spreading interregional peace and goodwill

HEREBY CONDEMNS The Greater German Reich


The link to endorse can be found here: http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vie ... 1304246937

This is a worthy cause so, please guys, give it a read and if you think its on the money give it an endorsement.

The malicious behaviour of the GGR is totally unacceptable in our world which values peace and democracy, help make a stand.
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Postby Frattastan » Sun May 01, 2011 6:17 am

I would like people to write a draft and debate it here before submitting a proposal ...
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Postby Bazlantis » Sun May 01, 2011 6:23 am

This process has already been completed... You will find it here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=102006
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun May 01, 2011 6:30 am

Merged the two topics on this proposal. Please ensure that the copy of the proposal in the OP is correct.

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Postby Frattastan » Sun May 01, 2011 6:37 am

Bazlantis wrote:This process has already been completed... You will find it here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=102006


Oh, well, no probs then :)
Got confused as I didn't know there was a separate thread for debate.
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Postby Bazlantis » Sun May 01, 2011 6:41 am

Thanks Sedg :bow:
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Postby Entsetzen » Tue May 03, 2011 11:35 am

So whats the difference between what you accuse the GGR of doing vs what Antifa and extreme leftist regions are doing?? Look at my region. The Left/communists/Antifa just stepped right in and started ousting people before we even knew that our founder went inactive. Raiding is raiding, regardless of who does it. So if you in fact pass this resolution, than any region-despite where their ideologies lay-that raids another should be held to the same standards of condemnation. you can't have one without the other and you can't justify one and vilify the other. As a matter of fact, most Antifa are just as belligerent and extreme as what they are 'fighting'. So how can you justly saw which is wrong or right??
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Postby Tierra del Helios » Tue May 03, 2011 12:03 pm

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Our Government still has no stand whether to vote for Condemn of not. Because of we haven't any problem with that region, probably we're going to against the condemn and remain neutral. Btw this is not the final decision. Any suggestion and advice is most welcomed. Thank you.
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[AT VOTE] Condemn the Greater German Reich

Postby Bassetland (Ancient) » Tue May 03, 2011 12:16 pm

even thought by nation is based on the right wing the great region of the eu will vote for this bid to condemn the action of the GGR

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