[DRAFT] Anti-Propaganda Act (revised version)

[Rowandel]

The World Assembly,

REALIZING that false propaganda has done much harm to many nations within the world,

ALSO REALIZING that propaganda can and will be used with malicious intent,

WISHING to prevent further conflict stemming from the spreading of propaganda,

PROHIBITS propaganda that is harmful and/or maliciously intended,

DEFINING such propaganda as;
1. Propaganda invented for the specific reason to cause harm to a nation.
2. Propaganda that is maliciously spread to denounce a nation.
3. Propaganda targeting/demonizing certain groups/minorities.

CLARIFYING that propaganda that is harmless and/or unintentionally harmful will not fall under the jurisdiction of this act,

DEFINING such propaganda as;
1. Propaganda that has unforeseen consequences of harm against another nation.
2. Propaganda that unintentionally targets a specific nation within a description.
3. Any propaganda that is either playful and/or without malicious intent.
4. Propaganda that promotes one’s own nation without mentioning other nations.
5. Advertisement from companies within the nation’s borders for a product or service.
6. Political ads attacking anothering political party within the nation’s borders.

[Monikian WA Mission]

Its still illegal. It doesn't do anything.

We suggest that you move the prohibits clause to the very end and change the definitions to include the word Malicious/Harmful and Non-Malicious/Non-Harmful. Generally a proposal should look something like this.

Generic Resolution

The World Assembly,

Realizing ....;

Concerned by...;

Defines X as ...;

Prohibits/urges/mandates... .

[Rowandel]

Its still illegal. It doesn't do anything.

We suggest that you move the prohibits clause to the very end and change the definitions to include the word Malicious/Harmful and Non-Malicious/Non-Harmful. Generally a proposal should look something like this.

Generic Resolution

The World Assembly,

Realizing ....;

Concerned by...;

Defines X as ...;

Prohibits/urges/mandates... .

But what CAN I threaten? What can I use to make in enforcable?

[Separatist Peoples]

Why do we need this? The argument that propaganda is a viable tool to manipulate the citizens of a country is valid, but why does the WA have to step in and say that propaganda should be limited? This doesn't make any sense. If my nation places posters in every public place denouncing our neighbor nations as the devil, how does this become the WA's problem? Not to mention the micromanagement required to judge every bit of propaganda every nation makes.

[Meekinos]

Why do we need this? The argument that propaganda is a viable tool to manipulate the citizens of a country is valid, but why does the WA have to step in and say that propaganda should be limited? This doesn't make any sense. If my nation places posters in every public place denouncing our neighbor nations as the devil, how does this become the WA's problem? Not to mention the micromanagement required to judge every bit of propaganda every nation makes.

The reason for this? Two nations were caught in a conflict, one release propaganda against the other. The other nation suffered wounded feelings from it and insisted on making propaganda illegal because of their own petty, vindictive vendetta that could be been solved by going to war with the offending nation. (link) This was the spin off of the original version. Either way, it's entirely pointless.

[Anit christ]

na

[ALMF]

We nead an exemption for truth and reasonable bleaf; make this more like a slander law and I'll support it.

[Aglrinia]

No, Geen, Nuk ka, لا, Voch’, Heç bir, Ez dago, Niama, Ne, N, Wú, Ingen, Nr, Hindi, Ei, Non, Araris, Nein, Eobs-eum, Nē, Nema, Tidak ada, Nru, Ingen, بدون, Não, Nu, Net, Nie, Hakuna.

In other words: Absolutely No!

[Free Irish Lands]

This is not something The WA should have any say in. Propaganda occurs all the time. This doesn't just refer to war but as to why it is better to live in one nation as opposed to another nation. Are you trying to say that we should give up national pride. I say nay.

[Monikian WA Mission]

Why do we need this? The argument that propaganda is a viable tool to manipulate the citizens of a country is valid, but why does the WA have to step in and say that propaganda should be limited? This doesn't make any sense. If my nation places posters in every public place denouncing our neighbor nations as the devil, how does this become the WA's problem? Not to mention the micromanagement required to judge every bit of propaganda every nation makes.

The reason for this? Two nations were caught in a conflict, one release propaganda against the other. The other nation suffered wounded feelings from it and insisted on making propaganda illegal because of their own petty, vindictive vendetta that could be been solved by going to war with the offending nation. (link) This was the spin off of the original version. Either way, it's entirely pointless.

"Pretty much what the Meekinosians have said. Which is why we oppose. Though, the author might have a chance to turn him/herself into a decent proposal writer one of these days. But this effort is essentially a waste of time and energy apart as a learning experience." Faliksa said.

[Rowandel]

The reason for this? Two nations were caught in a conflict, one release propaganda against the other. The other nation suffered wounded feelings from it and insisted on making propaganda illegal because of their own petty, vindictive vendetta that could be been solved by going to war with the offending nation. (link) This was the spin off of the original version. Either way, it's entirely pointless.

"Pretty much what the Meekinosians have said. Which is why we oppose. Though, the author might have a chance to turn him/herself into a decent proposal writer one of these days. But this effort is essentially a waste of time and energy apart as a learning experience." Faliksa said.

I personally was not involved in the incident that lead to this proposal, but I DID see the oppurtunity for learning how to better write one, in case I PERSONALLY need to write one. Would you mind informing me on some of the things I can threaten? It did originally have a punishment, but it apparently was too much... What are the limits and what are some good ways to enforce the act?

[Monikian WA Mission]

OOC: Personally I tend to write blockers and repeals so as such I don't have that information. That said I do know that there are resolutions that have been passed, and some passed and later repealed that had punishment clauses.

[The Gulf of Pyristia]

Defining Propaganda as... 6. Political ads attacking anothering political party within the nation’s borders.

"You keep your blasted hands off of our political ads!" shouted Delegate Fromme, upsetting his glass of brandy in anger. "Why the devil should it be the place of the WA to go about meddling in the minutiae of the political campaigns of members? Will we be forced to add a disclaimer in front of all political ads declaring our undying love and respect for the other party before we can venture to suggest their policies might not be the best idea?"

[Wolny Kraj]

Well the US government telling citizens that North Korea is bad for having concentration camps would be propaganda and illegal under your definition, so against.

Also, it's a gov't's right to distribute their own media, be it propaganda or real news.

[Free Irish Lands]

Defining Propaganda as... 6. Political ads attacking anothering political party within the nation’s borders.

"You keep your blasted hands off of our political ads!" shouted Delegate Fromme, upsetting his glass of brandy in anger. "Why the devil should it be the place of the WA to go about meddling in the minutiae of the political campaigns of members? Will we be forced to add a disclaimer in front of all political ads declaring our undying love and respect for the other party before we can venture to suggest their policies might not be the best idea?"

"Here friend let me fill you up" Said delegate Flynn "Seriously that is wrong friend telling anyone to not attack another political party with ads. Whats next we can't attack another in debate. This type of thing belongs on the top 10 list of a waste of WA time."

[Rowandel]

Defining Propaganda as... 6. Political ads attacking anothering political party within the nation’s borders.

"You keep your blasted hands off of our political ads!" shouted Delegate Fromme, upsetting his glass of brandy in anger. "Why the devil should it be the place of the WA to go about meddling in the minutiae of the political campaigns of members? Will we be forced to add a disclaimer in front of all political ads declaring our undying love and respect for the other party before we can venture to suggest their policies might not be the best idea?"

Propaganda within your own country for a political party is under the LEGAL propaganda section.

[Rowandel]

Well the US government telling citizens that North Korea is bad for having concentration camps would be propaganda and illegal under your definition, so against.

Also, it's a gov't's right to distribute their own media, be it propaganda or real news.

That would be propaganda within your OWN country. THIS is trying to prevent propagands to OTHER LEADERS that is more than likely harmful.

[Monikian WA Mission]

Over all I don't think this is going to go anywhere.

[Rowandel]

Over all I don't think this is going to go anywhere.

Agreed. I'll try and figure out what punishments TO put, and then maybe we'll figure this thing out.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Over all I don't think this is going to go anywhere.

Agreed. I'll try and figure out what punishments TO put, and then maybe we'll figure this thing out.

Punishments for non-compliance isn't going to make this draft any better, and unfortunately we're seeing another case where, like the Abortion Debate of 2011, a reactionary draft by the ambassador form Meekinos is being drafted.

[Rowandel]

Agreed. I'll try and figure out what punishments TO put, and then maybe we'll figure this thing out.

Punishments for non-compliance isn't going to make this draft any better, and unfortunately we're seeing another case where, like the Abortion Debate of 2011, a reactionary draft by the ambassador form Meekinos is being drafted.

Wow. How childish. Whatever. I'll try and fix this, I truly will, but, honestly, I think the topic might be better off just dying out. I wish he just hadn't made the low road choice, and decided he was going to "make it better." What are we, Republicans and Democrats arguing over the health care bill? Please.

[Meekinos]

Punishments for non-compliance isn't going to make this draft any better, and unfortunately we're seeing another case where, like the Abortion Debate of 2011, a reactionary draft by the ambassador form Meekinos is being drafted.

Wow. How childish. Whatever. I'll try and fix this, I truly will, but, honestly, I think the topic might be better off just dying out. I wish he just hadn't made the low road choice, and decided he was going to "make it better." What are we, Republicans and Democrats arguing over the health care bill? Please.

We felt it was beyond salvation. There was no reason for us to help "fix it". In order to do so, we would have had to change so much that it was in our own interests to draft our own version and let the delegates decide. We didn't take the high or low road; we opted for an alternative route.

[Rowandel]

Wow. How childish. Whatever. I'll try and fix this, I truly will, but, honestly, I think the topic might be better off just dying out. I wish he just hadn't made the low road choice, and decided he was going to "make it better." What are we, Republicans and Democrats arguing over the health care bill? Please.

We felt it was beyond salvation. There was no reason for us to help "fix it". In order to do so, we would have had to change so much that it was in our own interests to draft our own version and let the delegates decide. We didn't take the high or low road; we opted for an alternative route.

I highly disagree. You can disagree, but you're not eve doing the same type of act. You're proposal, if mine is too widespread, is the exact opposite, too narrow. It solves nothing trying to regulate the propoganda spread within a country's borders, because that is THEIR right, they're not imposing on other nations' rights. THIS proposal is meant to solve the problem of international conflict caused by spreading propoganda, while retaining your right to do what you wish within your OWN nation.

[Monikian WA Mission]

Agreed. I'll try and figure out what punishments TO put, and then maybe we'll figure this thing out.

Punishments for non-compliance isn't going to make this draft any better, and unfortunately we're seeing another case where, like the Abortion Debate of 2011, a reactionary draft by the ambassador form Meekinos is being drafted.

"We wouldn't call the Meekinosian draft reactionary. We would call it sovereignty friendly. And it is loads better than this draft--which still isn't going anywhere because it has to do stuff other than simply define things."

[Grays Harbor]

We felt it was beyond salvation. There was no reason for us to help "fix it". In order to do so, we would have had to change so much that it was in our own interests to draft our own version and let the delegates decide. We didn't take the high or low road; we opted for an alternative route.

I highly disagree. You can disagree, but you're not eve doing the same type of act. You're proposal, if mine is too widespread, is the exact opposite, too narrow. It solves nothing trying to regulate the propoganda spread within a country's borders, because that is THEIR right, they're not imposing on other nations' rights. THIS proposal is meant to solve the problem of international conflict caused by spreading propoganda, while retaining your right to do what you wish within your OWN nation.

Solve the problem of international conflict? By dictating to nations about what they can or cannot say? Hardly a solution to anything.

We also agree with our Monikian colleague, a collection of definitions is hardly what one thinks of when thinking of a valid or effective proposal. This is the GA, not the village library.