O'Reilly on Amsterdam: lies and statistical ignorance

[Gravlen]

An honour killing is when a male relative kills a female relative because the man feels that the woman has brought shame to the family by consorting with other men.

I do want to nitpick and point out that women commit honour killings too (Some only order the killings done and lets a male relative do it, but still...), and though it isn't often reported, male family members can be victim of honour killings as well. I've seen examples from India and Turkey...

[Saint Clair Island]

That Gravlen character sounds like he/she is a transnationalist.

Are you hitting on me?

It's probably unintentional if so. Penguins with chainsaws are pretty damn scary.

[Pakidaotuz]

No sense to convet from Christianity to Islam or Islam to christianity.....It's like saying "My invisible god is better than your invisible god"

That's nice.

Did I touch a nerve? If i did, I'm sorry that your god knows what I said and will punish me accordingly

[Gift-of-god]

An honour killing is when a male relative kills a female relative because the man feels that the woman has brought shame to the family by consorting with other men.

I do want to nitpick and point out that women commit honour killings too (Some only order the killings done and lets a male relative do it, but still...), and though it isn't often reported, male family members can be victim of honour killings as well. I've seen examples from India and Turkey...

Fair enough.

[Pakidaotuz]

That Gravlen character sounds like he/she is a transnationalist.

Are you hitting on me?

Only if ur a nyce sexy dark female. Preferably a sexy indian or hispanic.

[Buffett and Colbert]

No sense to convet from Christianity to Islam or Islam to christianity.....It's like saying "My invisible god is better than your invisible god"

That's nice.

Did I touch a nerve? If i did, I'm sorry that your god knows what I said and will punish me accordingly

I'm an atheist. You just make a very convincing argument for yourself. I felt obligated to comment on it.

[Treznor]

That Gravlen character sounds like he/she is a transnationalist.

Are you hitting on me?

Only if ur a nyce sexy dark female. Preferably a sexy indian or hispanic.

Creeepy!

[Saint Clair Island]

Only if ur a nyce sexy dark female. Preferably a sexy indian or hispanic.

Creeepy!

Coming from you of all people, that's hilarious.

[Treznor]

Only if ur a nyce sexy dark female. Preferably a sexy indian or hispanic.

Creeepy!

Coming from you of all people, that's hilarious.

Kind of you to notice.

You know what they say: it takes one to know one!

[Pakidaotuz]

I like all colors for women...a sexy brown is to die for

[Redwulf]

I didn't see anything false in that vid.

The sources have been repeatedly proven to be wrong on numerous topics. It's amazing that people proven wrong so often are still hailed as "experts" on anything. It's probably because they're experts on how things "ought to be" instead of how things are.

They're experts on SPEAKING WITH A LOUD VOICE and that must mean that whatever they say is correct.

I thought he was just talking loudly so people who don't speak English could understand him. Of course he doesn't talk slow enough for that . . .

[Redwulf]

Most of Europe is becoming a crap hole with a every growing muslim problem.

What "muslim problem"?

The one he has a solution to. I'm sure his solution is very final.

[Gravlen]

That Gravlen character sounds like he/she is a transnationalist.

Are you hitting on me?

Only if ur a nyce sexy dark female. Preferably a sexy indian or hispanic.

I'm sure you're really only after hot transnational sex

[West Failure]

This BBC article debunks the Youtube video that was posted earlier in the thread as 'evidence'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8189231.stm

shows the kind of statistical fiddling and downright lies the Islamophobes have been up to

[Psychotic Mongooses]

This BBC article debunks the Youtube video that was posted earlier in the thread as 'evidence'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8189231.stm

shows the kind of statistical fiddling and downright lies the Islamophobes have been up to

Just in case people are too lazy to click and read:

But are any of the video's statistics true?
Of the video's claims that 90% of Europe's population growth since 1990 is due Islamic immigration, only a fragment is true. Immigration is the main driver of population growth according to EU statistics and in some exceptional years, 90% of population growth has been down to net inward migration.
But that includes all immigrants coming into the EU, not just Muslims.

It is the claims made about individual countries that are most striking. The video says that a typical French family has 1.8 children but that French Muslim families have 8.1 children. No source is given for this information and the French government doesn't collect statistics by religion. So it is impossible to say what the precise fertility rates among different religious groups in France are. But no country on earth has such a high fertility rate and in Algeria and Morocco, the two nations which send the largest numbers of Muslim immigrants to France, the fertility rate is 2.38, according to the UN's 2008 figures.

In the Netherlands, according to the video, half of all newborns are Muslim, and in 15 years half the population will be Muslim.
But the Dutch office of statistics estimates that Muslims make up only 5% of the population. For Dutch Muslim women to produce half the nation's babies, they would have to be giving birth at at least 14 times the rate of their non-Muslim neighbours.

And so on.

[Pakidaotuz]

That article was probably secretly conjured up by Jacqui Smith and Ken Livingston in a dark basement.

[The Weegies]

That article was probably secretly conjured up by Jacqui Smith and Ken Livingston in a dark basement.

Because, of course, Ken Livingston controls;

the EU's office of statistics
the Belgian office of statistics
the UN's office of statistics
the Dutch office of statistics
the UK census
Southampton University
the chief statistician of the European Union
the Open University

Truly, this is a grand and secretive conspiracy.

[Greed and Death]

That article was probably secretly conjured up by Jacqui Smith and Ken Livingston in a dark basement.

Because, of course, Ken Livingston controls;

the EU's office of statistics
the Belgian office of statistics
the UN's office of statistics
the Dutch office of statistics
the UK census
Southampton University
the chief statistician of the European Union
the Open University

Truly, this is a grand and secretive conspiracy.

We better nuke Amsterdam to be on the safe side.*NOD*

[Ifreann]

That article was probably secretly conjured up by Jacqui Smith and Ken Livingston in a dark basement.

Because, of course, Ken Livingston controls;

the EU's office of statistics
the Belgian office of statistics
the UN's office of statistics
the Dutch office of statistics
the UK census
Southampton University
the chief statistician of the European Union
the Open University

Truly, this is a grand and secretive conspiracy.

We better nuke Amsterdam to be on the safe side.*NOD*

Not just Amsterdam, all of Europe, and every country with more than three muslims.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Religion isn't recognised as a disorder by any psychiatrist anywhere. If it is, then I'll concede that you are right, but until then you're on shaky ground.

I'd say that the reasons for it not being included are mostly political rather than psychological. Religion often leads to behaviors that, in any other context, we would consider to be behaviors of the severely mentally ill. If someone hears a voice in his/her head, we consider that hallucinating, unless they claim that it was god's voice. If someone believes in extremely unlikely and wild claims with no proof and is immune to logic and evidence to the contrary, we claim that person is delusional unless religion happens to be this set of wild claims.

[Western Mercenary Unio]

I'd say that the reasons for it not being included are mostly political rather than psychological. Religion often leads to behaviors that, in any other context, we would consider to be behaviors of the severely mentally ill. If someone hears a voice in his/her head, we consider that hallucinating, unless they claim that it was god's voice. If someone believes in extremely unlikely and wild claims with no proof and is immune to logic and evidence to the contrary, we claim that person is delusional unless religion happens to be this set of wild claims.

Well, maybe. After all, I'm just a 14-year old kid so don't expect me to have a coherent answer.

[Treznor]

I'd say that the reasons for it not being included are mostly political rather than psychological. Religion often leads to behaviors that, in any other context, we would consider to be behaviors of the severely mentally ill. If someone hears a voice in his/her head, we consider that hallucinating, unless they claim that it was god's voice. If someone believes in extremely unlikely and wild claims with no proof and is immune to logic and evidence to the contrary, we claim that person is delusional unless religion happens to be this set of wild claims.

Well, maybe. After all, I'm just a 14-year old kid so don't expect me to have a coherent answer.

This is NSG. You could be 44 and we wouldn't expect you or anyone else to have a coherent answer.

[Pakidaotuz]

Obama is more of a failure after 6 months than Bush!

We elected a clown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4u9_n_AUGk

^ almost as good as the I Have a Dream Speech

[Treznor]

Obama is more of a failure after 6 months than Bush!

We elected a clown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4u9_n_AUGk

^ almost as good as the I Have a Dream Speech

And speaking of which....