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Postby Saint Helier » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:27 pm

http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com ... 000157.php

Twenty questions to get honest with ourselves.

This quiz is for those who care about current issues. Please pass it on to anyone you think should ponder these questions.

1. Do you believe in free speech about homosexuality for everyone except conservatives or Christians?

No. Do you believe in equal rights for everyone exept gays and lesbians?

2. Do you participate in name-calling of those who object to homosexuality -- names like bigot, hate-monger, etc.?

Calling a spade a spade is not name calling. If some one says something bigoted about gay people, then they are a homophobe. Just like how someone who says bigoted things about black people are racist.

3. Do you believe ‘gays’ have been deprived of the right to marry? Doesn’t pretty much everyone have the right to marry now -- to a person of the opposite sex?

'3. Do you believe blacks have been deprived of the right to marry whites? Doesn’t pretty much everyone have the right to marry now -- to a person of the same race?'




4. Do you believe those who object to homosexuality are motivated by fear or ignorance? Do you believe they could never be motivated by compassion for the people involved, and if they say so, they must be lying?

I must say, this arguement makes me laugh. Not only is it really patronizing, but it also sums up the fundie mindset pretty well. 'OUR HOLY BOOK SAYS GAYS ARE GOING TO HELL SO BY SCREAMING THAT THEY ARE DESERVING OF SECOND-CLASS TREATMENT, WE ARE SHOWING THEM COMPASSION! DYERPDY DYERP!!!!!

5. Do you believe some people will just inevitably be homosexual, and that there’s a set percentage of the population that will always be ‘gay’, and that this won’t increase, even if a culture embraces ‘gay’ sex? Do you think homosexual experimentation could never become ‘chic’ and popular? Is there no risk for the people involved or our culture if this happens?

I think that if more people tries sodomy, there would be less wars. But thats just me.

6. Do you automatically dismiss any conservative comments about homosexuality without listening? Do you believe you are well-informed, while refusing to learn about what homosexuals actually do and the risks involved?

The risks are no greater than in hetro sex. In fact thers less because neither party can get pregnant.

7. Do you believe that the tragedy of any suicide by someone involved in homosexuality is the fault of conservatives? Is the best solution to these tragedies to demand that everyone in America accept homosexuality?

If by 'demand' you mean 'push for gays to be treated like people rather than some kind of moral deviants' then yes.

8. Do you automatically dismiss the idea that anyone could be a former homosexual, despite the hundreds of groups started by ex-‘gays’ and the thousands who live in America?

If you are told often enough that your sexuality is an aberration to be corrected then it is only a matter of time that you start believing it.

9. Do you believe that homosexuals are born that way? Do you refuse to consider the evidence against this claim? Have you ever looked at the connection between child sexual abuse and later homosexual attraction?

Is every question in this thing loaded? If you think gays choose to be who they are then I challenge you to go have sex with a member of your own gender. Go on, I'll wait.

10. Do you believe that only churches that accept homosexuality have interpreted the Bible in the ‘correct’ way? Do you feel it isn’t necessary to read the relevant Bible passages yourself, all of which are straightforward in condemning homosexual acts? Do you believe it’s impossible to be “kind” and oppose homosexuality?

Well, I'm an athiest so, no.

11. Are you quick to say “Judge not, lest you be judged” ( Matthew 7:1) and similar passages, without understanding the Christian theology behind it, and all the while being very judgmental yourself?

Hey, fuck you, Fundie Survey Writer Person. First if all, you dont know me, so how in Satan's Glorious Name do you know that I am being judgemental? You dont, so shut up. Bitch.
Also, I am an athiest so, I'm not likely to use biblical passages in arguements.


12. Do you sincerely believe Jesus would have accepted homosexual sex acts? Do you believe Jesus is cool with whatever anyone wants to do? Do you believe there’s such a thing as ‘sin’ and if so, how is it defined? Are you the one who defines sin for yourself? Do you have no need of a savior and if not, wasn’t Christ’s death and resurrection pretty pointless? Despite all these contradictory and self-constructed beliefs, do you consider yourself a “Christian”?

I am an athiest so, again no.

13. Do you believe sweeping stereotypes, like that all ‘gay’ people are innocent victims or that all conservatives must be mean and stupid?

No.

14. Do you close your ears and figure it’s a conservative plot if you hear that at least 2/3 of all the HIV transmission in the United States still involves males having anal sex with each other?

um...source?

15. Do you believe anyone who objects to homosexuality is automatically “hateful,” while you seethe with hate yourself?

I'm kinda mellow right now. Must be something in these brownies...

16. Do you believe it’s okay for thirteen- year- olds to learn at school that they have the right to have homosexual sex with each other? Do you close your ears when concerned parents are outraged? Would you call such parents “ignorant” and accuse them of “censorship”?

I'd like to know what schools you are going to. :eyebrow:

17. Do you believe that, after several thousand years where most cultures have prohibited homosexuality, only now the ‘real’ truth is emerging? Do you believe this is not an arrogant, narrow or immature position?

Two words, Ancient Greece.

18. Do you believe that ‘gays’ are the target of widespread violence that goes unpunished in the United States? Do you understand that hate crimes stats don’t support this claim and that laws already exist to punish all crimes, no matter why they are committed? Would you be unconcerned about overall civil liberties if trumped -up charges of so-called “hate speech” were used to silence people?

Source? Also, do you get off on fearmongering?

19. Do you believe that conservatives are making a big deal out of a behavior that has no harmful effects on individuals, families, communities, or societies? Do you scoff at any claims that serious public health issues are involved, like sexually transmitted diseases or risks to children?

I was wondering when THINK OF TEH CHILDRENZ!!11!!! would worm its way in here.

20. And--very big question: Is your need for other people’s approval greater than your appreciation of truth? Do you refuse to consider an unpopular viewpoint because it might make you appear unenlightened to some people? If your mind and heart changed about this issue, would you have the courage to be a rebel for a worthy cause, to speak up and inform family, friends--and fellow humans who are involved in homosexuality?

Fellow Humans? You are making a lot of assumtions about me my friend. Also, I hate people, so no.

The purpose of this quiz is to educate.
To bad it failed.

If you feel angry now, it could be you have some bigoted attitudes, much like the author of this quiz did before learning the facts. Maybe it’s time for a change of mind and heart- -and courage to go with them. God bless you in your sincere search for truth.





So, TL;DR version, Fundie moron is screaming about how being pro-gay rights is bigoted against people who hate gays. :palm:
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:31 pm

some people sure do go a long way to claim that their obvious bigotry doesnt count.
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Postby Siorafrica » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:31 pm

I'm not a homophobe or pro gay rights.
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Postby Saint Helier » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:32 pm

Siorafrica wrote:I'm not a homophobe or pro gay rights.



That is an oxymoron.

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Postby The Atlantean Menace » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:33 pm

Saint Helier wrote:
Siorafrica wrote:I'm not a homophobe or pro gay rights.



That is an oxymoron.


Not at all. For example, he could just not give a shit. That's pretty much how I feel about it. I don't hate gay people, but I don't actively support gay marriage. I don't really care either way, to be honest.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:36 pm

Saint Helier wrote:
Siorafrica wrote:I'm not a homophobe or pro gay rights.



That is an oxymoron.

He's not anti gay rights.
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Postby Hossaim » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:36 pm

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Postby Saint Helier » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:36 pm

The Atlantean Menace wrote:
Saint Helier wrote:

That is an oxymoron.


Not at all. For example, he could just not give a shit. That's pretty much how I feel about it. I don't hate gay people, but I don't actively support gay marriage. I don't really care either way, to be honest.



So you are a homophobe.

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Postby Revolutopia » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:39 pm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-03-24-gay_Catholics_23_ST_N.htm?csp=34news

The Catholic Church was right those opposed to Gay Rights are being vilified!!1!1!


Really, who cares what a bunch of religious extremists say on their website you are not going to change their mind it is best to just ignore them as all they want is attention.
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Postby Octopucta » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:42 pm

Saint Helier wrote:So you are a homophobe.

Hatred and not giving a shit are two different things.
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Postby Saint Helier » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:44 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Saint Helier wrote:

That is an oxymoron.

He's not anti gay rights.



Yes he is. He said he wasnt pro. Impling anti.

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Postby Octopucta » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:49 pm

Saint Helier wrote:Yes he is. He said he wasnt pro. Impling anti.

Actually, he implied ambivalence.
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Postby The Atlantean Menace » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:51 pm

Saint Helier wrote:
The Atlantean Menace wrote:
Not at all. For example, he could just not give a shit. That's pretty much how I feel about it. I don't hate gay people, but I don't actively support gay marriage. I don't really care either way, to be honest.



So you are a homophobe.


That statement is utterly ridiculous. This isn't "WITH US OR AGAINST US!" It's possible to have no opinion. There's nothing homophobic about not caring.

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Postby Azbaga » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:53 pm

The Atlantean Menace wrote:
Saint Helier wrote:

So you are a homophobe.


That statement is utterly ridiculous. This isn't "WITH US OR AGAINST US!" It's possible to have no opinion. There's nothing homophobic about not caring.


Apathy is support of the status quo, which is oppressive to homosexuals.

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Postby The Atlantean Menace » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:54 pm

Azbaga wrote:
The Atlantean Menace wrote:
That statement is utterly ridiculous. This isn't "WITH US OR AGAINST US!" It's possible to have no opinion. There's nothing homophobic about not caring.


Apathy is support of the status quo, which is oppressive to homosexuals.


No. Apathy is not caring whether or not the status quo continues to exist. I do not oppose homosexuals having rights. I do not favor it. What about this is so difficult to understand?

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Postby Azbaga » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:56 pm

The Atlantean Menace wrote:
Azbaga wrote:
Apathy is support of the status quo, which is oppressive to homosexuals.


No. Apathy is not caring whether or not the status quo continues to exist. I do not oppose homosexuals having rights. I do not favor it. What about this is so difficult to understand?


When the time comes to vote on issues, or support causes, if you do nothing you support the status quo rather you feel you do or not. Inaction is action for maintaining in the field of civil rights.

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Postby The Atlantean Menace » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:58 pm

Azbaga wrote:
The Atlantean Menace wrote:
No. Apathy is not caring whether or not the status quo continues to exist. I do not oppose homosexuals having rights. I do not favor it. What about this is so difficult to understand?


When the time comes to vote on issues, or support causes, if you do nothing you support the status quo rather you feel you do or not. Inaction is action for maintaining in the field of civil rights.


So, basically, you either fully support homosexuals, or you hate them? That's absurdly black and white.

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Postby Azbaga » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:01 pm

The Atlantean Menace wrote:
Azbaga wrote:
When the time comes to vote on issues, or support causes, if you do nothing you support the status quo rather you feel you do or not. Inaction is action for maintaining in the field of civil rights.


So, basically, you either fully support homosexuals, or you hate them? That's absurdly black and white.


That's how civil rights work, if you do nothing when the current status quo is oppressive, you are, through intent or not, supporting it.

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Postby The Atlantean Menace » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:03 pm

Azbaga wrote:
The Atlantean Menace wrote:
So, basically, you either fully support homosexuals, or you hate them? That's absurdly black and white.


That's how civil rights work, if you do nothing when the current status quo is oppressive, you are, through intent or not, supporting it.


That has nothing to do with hatred, though.

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Postby Cool Egg Sandwich » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:04 pm

Azbaga wrote:
The Atlantean Menace wrote:
So, basically, you either fully support homosexuals, or you hate them? That's absurdly black and white.


That's how civil rights work, if you do nothing when the current status quo is oppressive, you are, through intent or not, supporting it.


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Postby Azbaga » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:05 pm

The Atlantean Menace wrote:
Azbaga wrote:
That's how civil rights work, if you do nothing when the current status quo is oppressive, you are, through intent or not, supporting it.


That has nothing to do with hatred, though.


Who cares if it's hatred, every time when you take the stance of apathy over action, you support the status quo, that's the issue.

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Postby Octopucta » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:07 pm

Azbaga wrote:Who cares if it's hatred, every time when you take the stance of apathy over action, you support the status quo, that's the issue.

Homophobia is hating gays, s/he is arguing that s/he isn't homophobic. It has everything to do with hatred.
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Postby Azbaga » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:09 pm

Octopucta wrote:
Azbaga wrote:Who cares if it's hatred, every time when you take the stance of apathy over action, you support the status quo, that's the issue.

Homophobia is hating gays, s/he is arguing that s/he isn't homophobic. It has everything to do with hatred.


Ok, they're not homophobic, they're perfectly open minded supporters of oppression through laziness, rather then hate.

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Postby Alevuss » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:09 pm

I'm in support of pro-gay rights and equal rights for all people, regardless of race, sexual orientation, or etc.
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Postby Tekania » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:26 pm

Saint Helier wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:He's not anti gay rights.



Yes he is. He said he wasnt pro. Impling anti.


Being "not pro" does not automatically imply "anti". Merely because someone is pro-choice does not mean they are "anti-life" for example.
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