[PASSED] Commend Northern Chittowa

[Unibot II]

It's not, and any gameplayer or roleplayer will tell you that. Gameplay actually affect what happens to your nation (whether it be your stats, the region you're in, or whether you're a delegate or not), so is 'real', whereas no matter what you RP, it doesn't actually change your in-game nation.

Anyhow, back to what you were saying about the proposal - this one commends NC for his international/interregional gameplay activities (ie interaction between nations/region), rather than his nation management (the way he answers his issues). If you're looking only to commend people who are perfect across all areas (gameplay, nation management, RP, WA...) you're going to find the list of candidates is non-existent. It's why commendations (and condemnations) tend to focus on one or two areas of a player's activities in NS.

Well, yes we can question how 'real' is 'real' and the story of the butterfly by Zhuangzi and other philosophical musings, but I just do not see this commendation as deserved, I see nothing remarkable here. Besides which, a whole load of players are active in 'defending' or holding government positions and have been for a long time, this is nothing new.

Likewise, a whole load of players have been quick to dismiss contributions that they couldn't accomplish in their dreams let alone in reality -- so it doesn't matter if they're a butterfly or not, they're a bothersome either way.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Well, yes we can question how 'real' is 'real' and the story of the butterfly by Zhuangzi and other philosophical musings, but I just do not see this commendation as deserved, I see nothing remarkable here. Besides which, a whole load of players are active in 'defending' or holding government positions and have been for a long time, this is nothing new.

Likewise, a whole load of players have been quick to dismiss contributions that they couldn't accomplish in their dreams let alone in reality -- so it doesn't matter if they're a butterfly or not, they're a bothersome either way.

'Social Chauvinism' is not a dream nor a contribution I wish to be accomplished at.

[Unibot II]

Likewise, a whole load of players have been quick to dismiss contributions that they couldn't accomplish in their dreams let alone in reality -- so it doesn't matter if they're a butterfly or not, they're a bothersome either way.

'Social Chauvinism' is not a dream nor a contribution I wish to be accomplished at.

Hell, you don't even seem to have a desire to learn the proper application of the phrase.

[Ludkin]

"Whats this I hear about someone calling gameplay roleplay? Lies! Lies! Lies!"

~Carta

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On a serious note, the difference is that Gameplay pretty much refers to anything non-forum, such as the World Assembly or Issues, along with invaders/defenders and such, while roleplay refers to something such as this, which is an rp. Generally, rps can be found in International Incidents and nationstates, although alternative types of roleplay can be found in Global Economics and Trade along with NS Sports.

In this case, the aforementioned player is being commended for his accomplishments in Gameplay, as in non-forum activity. If you have any questions about gameplay, I suppose you could ask them or find your answers here, although I am probably not the best source for this...because I have no life...

Nah, I'm awesome.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Cool. Although I think we should be allowed to make our own minds up about that without having to be told what to think all the time.

[Parti Ouvrier]

'Social Chauvinism' is not a dream nor a contribution I wish to be accomplished at.

Hell, you don't even seem to have a desire to learn the proper application of the phrase.

Really! That's interesting, although this 'social chauvinism' is a form of game-play/role-play. I assume you have a source for this.

http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/s/o.htm

[Sedgistan]

Let's not have that threadjack, ok?

[Parti Ouvrier]

Let's not have that threadjack, ok?

Sure, you've been fair about that.

[Falconias]

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal/council=2

I don't have a problem with the idea behind this proposal, but this line is ludicrously inappropriate, unnecessary to include in a commendation, and all things considered completely offensive to a formerly active, contributing member of this game:

Serving as Arch Chancellor of the alliance for 3 terms, comprising a total of 9 months, in the process professionalising the organisation, as well as rescuing it from the brink of death after the failure of Falconias's term as Arch Chancellor

The statement and connotations that I single-handedly sent the FRA to its deathbed as a result of my tenancy is a matter of opinion. While I would be ignorant to suppose that I had a good term, I also am offended that you, Sedge, of all people, who has been commended by the WA in the first place, would have the audacity to include such a statement in a commendation.

I strongly advise that given your reputation, you correct this grievous error in judgement. You're giving me a little bit of motivation to return to the game on the "dark side" just to spite you. This is ridiculous.

EDIT: First of all, sorry to the mods, I didn't notice this topic before I made my own topic. Thanks for merging. But secondly, I also didn't notice Sedge is actually a moderator and he made this resolution... pathetic.

[Iron Red Fist]

You're giving me a little bit of motivation to return to the game on the "dark side" just to spite you. This is ridiculous.

Really Falc? lol.

Forgot to add, it looks good sedge. Nice job.

[Sedgistan]

I don't have a problem with the idea behind this proposal, but this line is ludicrously inappropriate, unnecessary to include in a commendation, and all things considered completely offensive to a formerly active, contributing member of this game:

That clause was included as I believe that NC rescuing the FRA from the situation it was left it in was one of his finest achievements - it was something that required a great amount of diplomacy and effort. It's not there to serve as an insult as you. Yes, I could've omitted your nation's name, but I think it gives context to the clause, in the same way that I listed the other founders of the FRA in an earlier clause.

The statement and connotations that I single-handedly sent the FRA to its deathbed as a result of my tenancy is a matter of opinion. While I would be ignorant to suppose that I had a good term, I also am offended that you, Sedge, of all people, who has been commended by the WA in the first place, would have the audacity to include such a statement in a commendation.

I can understand that you're upset by it - clearly it doesn't reflect well on you, but as explained above, it was not included to annoy you. As for the question of whether you single-handedly sent the FRA to its deathbed - that is not what I said. I claimed that your term as Arch Chancellor was ultimately a failure, and resulted in the FRA being close to death. I stand by that claim - activity in the organisation had dropped to a whisper, the Rangers and Intel departments did very little work, and most damaging of all, the FRA's reputation had been besmirched by the closure of all its embassies - resulting in the loss of several allies and friends. It gave the impression that the FRA didn't care for others (member regions included), and many regions were hostile towards the organisation as a result.

Northern Chittowa helped to solve all of these problems as Arch Chancellor, as activity rocketed, the Rangers and Intel department went from strength to strength (notably acquiring the password to Belgium, and organising the liberation of that region and Feudal Japan), and embassies were re-opened, resulting in the renewal of friendships lost over the previous few months.

I strongly advise that given your reputation, you correct this grievous error in judgement. You're giving me a little bit of motivation to return to the game on the "dark side" just to spite you. This is ridiculous.

Judging by your edit, you'll probably have realised that I'm retired from defending - and in fact was for several months prior to being modded. I'm also not sure that threatening to 'spite me' really helps your case, but that's your call.

EDIT: First of all, sorry to the mods, I didn't notice this topic before I made my own topic. Thanks for merging. But secondly, I also didn't notice Sedge is actually a moderator and he made this resolution... pathetic.

No probs, I merged it when I saw it.

[Unibot II]

Falc, any defender who would go to raiding to simply spite someone is a defender that does not truly understand the values that a real defender should embrace. That suggested reprisal alone discredits most of your accusation, at least for me --> especially when your position is a defense of your own dubious character.

[Govindia]

Whatever his activities may be, they are too small to be affecting NS as a whole.

There are dozens of defenders who have contributed many actions to NS gameplay as a whole, as well as raiders.

I do not see the justification why someone's FRA activities are worth commending for something that only affected a small portion of NS.

I say small portion because I am sure there are hundreds of regions out there that do not know who the FRA are, or this guy, or know or care about the military aspect that a small subset of NS players engage in.

Has he done good actions? Yes, but they haven't affected gameplay as a whole overall, only a small subset of NS regions who have been involved, to some capacity, with the NS military game aspect.

Give a commendation to someone that's affected a majority of the gameplay out there, not a small subset.

[Iron Red Fist]

Yes, but all the minor schemes. persons & events make major changes Gov.

I am sure there has been people who have made very major & done significant things to/for/against NationStates, but it just like in RL it isn't extremely common for a lot of people as whole do so, with the exception of my starting sentence. Unless your [violet]/Game Mods, I guess.

NC has been around for a long enough while to make some impact, way more than me. So has the FRA, ADN, LWU, and other groups/persons.

But I guess you have room to talk though, since you've yourself made a Major impact on NationStates albeit a notorious one.

Quit whining.


Edit: Fixed Typos

[Parti Ouvrier]

Whatever his activities may be, they are too small to be affecting NS as a whole.

There are dozens of defenders who have contributed many actions to NS gameplay as a whole, as well as raiders.

I do not see the justification why someone's FRA activities are worth commending for something that only affected a small portion of NS.

I say small portion because I am sure there are hundreds of regions out there that do not know who the FRA are, or this guy, or know or care about the military aspect that a small subset of NS players engage in.

Has he done good actions? Yes, but they haven't affected gameplay as a whole overall, only a small subset of NS regions who have been involved, to some capacity, with the NS military game aspect.

Give a commendation to someone that's affected a majority of the gameplay out there, not a small subset.

These are valid points as I don't really know much about the FRA. As far as we are concerned, both defending and raiding are subjectively based on the 'actor's' vanity.

Junior Diplomat
Chris Jones

[Those who want it]

these "commending" resolutions are wasting the security councils time which could be spent on matters other than giving a pat on the back to nations. stop wasting our time.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Not a complete waste of time, there is some merit in them and indeed some merit in commending Northern Chittowa, just not much in NC's case as we have issues with vanity of the FRA.

We've decided to abstain

CJ

[Vorond]

Commend Sedgistans cronie, yeah right. [x] No.

[Drop Your Pants]

NC has made a major impact in Lazarus, he's helped the region in countless ways besides serving as delegate. But this isn't just about his FRA life, its about his life in the GRA and other regions he's touched and helped along the way.
He helped me a lot in my first year of NS, i would never have spread out so much if i hadn't had his guidance.

[North East Somerset]

Northern Chittowa has been a colossal asset to the FRA over the past few years. Whether that warrants a Commendation is a matter of opinion, but I won't delve into that. His contributions to Lazarus, NP and GRA are also significant but I won't hesitate to point out there are many other individuals that have contributed equally or more greatly to a similar number and calibre of regions, and none of them would ever seriously be considered to be commended. So this is about his service to FRA and I admit, massive contributions to the defender cause, lets not deny that. I suppose you lot have to occupy yourselves with something now you are obsolete in battle.

[Struthiones]

these "commending" resolutions are wasting the security councils time which could be spent on matters other than giving a pat on the back to nations. stop wasting our time.

I agree. 2 of the last 4 resolutions have been Commendations, with a 3rd being a condemnation. If a nation has done a massive amount of truly great things, I'm all for commendation, but NC seems lacking compared to some of the past commendations.

I will be voting against, as you may have figured.

[Struthiones]

Northern Chittowa has been a colossal asset to the FRA over the past few years. Whether that warrants a Commendation is a matter of opinion, but I won't delve into that. His contributions to Lazarus, NP and GRA are also significant but I won't hesitate to point out there are many other individuals that have contributed equally or more greatly to a similar number and calibre of regions, and none of them would ever seriously be considered to be commended. So this is about his service to FRA and I admit, massive contributions to the defender cause, lets not deny that. I suppose you lot have to occupy yourselves with something now you are obsolete in battle.

If the resolution is rejected, and re-proposed (although, that isn't an efficient use of he WA's time) with new information about NC's various other contributions, and they do compare to nations that deserve commendations, I would consider voting for. As it stands, however, NC's achievements are lacking compared to past commended nations.

[Markanite]

I'm voting for this proposal

[Jahka]

Waste of the Council's time? I'm sorry to tell you this, but the whole point of the council is to talk about this stuff. There is no other function. We can't make up other duties or regions to liberated or something.

[Struthiones]

Waste of the Council's time? I'm sorry to tell you this, but the whole point of the council is to talk about this stuff. There is no other function. We can't make up other duties or regions to liberated or something.

While we can't make up regions to be liberated, we can find something else to do. The point of the council is to "Spread interregional peace and goodwill...", and I don't exactly see how commending a nation spreads peace or goodwill. All we're saying is, "Hey, great job on doing whatever you've done. Of course, if you screw up, we'll just repeal this resolution and you'll be frowned upon by anyone who's ever held you in good favor"