[PASSED] Liberate Region of Reunited Muslim States

[Delegate Vinage]

I, Lothar Prolark, World Assembly Delegate and Media Minister of Europeia will be voting NAY on this proposal after an internal vote of 5/11 decided said action. While we do not support griefing or taunts being thrown towards natives - we also do not support regions which make homophobic slurs towards fellow members and slurs towards the region Gay. While some have claimed the slurs have been baited out of the natives, I cannot see anything to support this claim.

From the Liberation text itself I strongly disagree with this point...

AWARE that these natives have expressed their desire to return to their region and have subsequently gathered in the region of RORMS

Why? Because it is looks like nonsense to me due to these comments made:

View of the previous 'Region of reunited muslim state' Delegate
View of the current RORMS Delegate

In fact you look over the RORMS Regional Message Board and you do NOT see masses wanting to return to the 'previous' region. Instead you see the Founder of RORMS/Previous Delegate of Region of reunited muslim state and the current RORMS Delegate coming out and saying they do not want it. If they aren't interested in the region.... what's the point of the Liberation?

While some others have claimed that a previous Delegate and previous native expressed they wanted this but have now been deleted in the last few days - I ask why? Why have they been deleted? Also if it is a singular individual then that section of the Liberation is quite clearly wrong.

Finally we are disgusted that a previous Liberation involving Nazi's was dropped in favour for this one. Surely stopping and standing up against Nazism is more important than anything else? Maybe we just have different standards.....

[Sedgistan]

We vote for.

OOC: I know what a raider does, but I've never been able to figure out exactly what defenders do.

Some eg TITO actually do some defending.

The UDL just help elderly fascists cross the road.

*** Warned for flamebaiting/threadjacking. ***

[Krankor]

I, Krankor, delegate of Farkistan, vote NAY on the liberation proposal.

The timeline here is curious. Talgud was elected delegate of RORMS back in April after a long residency. And yet he passworded the region just at the beginning of this week. Surely the natives of RORMS had ample opportunity to study Talgud, his sympathies and his past activities, as well as the suspicious spike in immigrating nations over this period. Is the purpose of this liberation to compensate for the RORMS natives' lack of research skills and poor judgment?

But since Talgud has now been overthrown, the entire proposal may be rendered moot.

[Fischistan]

I, Krankor, delegate of Farkistan, vote NAY on the liberation proposal.

The timeline here is curious. Talgud was elected delegate of RORMS back in April after a long residency. And yet he passworded the region just at the beginning of this week. Surely the natives of RORMS had ample opportunity to study Talgud, his sympathies and his past activities, as well as the suspicious spike in immigrating nations over this period. Is the purpose of this liberation to compensate for the RORMS natives' lack of research skills and poor judgment?

But since Talgud has now been overthrown, the entire proposal may be rendered moot.

They knew that Talgud was a raider all the time.

[New Abooutland]

liberate it im getteing out of this region

[Datavia]

According to our research, what this poroposal states is true, so Datavia feels obliged to vote FOR.

[Cinistra]

I, Krankor, delegate of Farkistan, vote NAY on the liberation proposal.

The timeline here is curious. Talgud was elected delegate of RORMS back in April after a long residency. And yet he passworded the region just at the beginning of this week. Surely the natives of RORMS had ample opportunity to study Talgud, his sympathies and his past activities, as well as the suspicious spike in immigrating nations over this period. Is the purpose of this liberation to compensate for the RORMS natives' lack of research skills and poor judgment?

But since Talgud has now been overthrown, the entire proposal may be rendered moot.

They knew that Talgud was a raider all the time.

So, why didn't you try to have him expelled before he became the delegate?

[Fischistan]

They knew that Talgud was a raider all the time.

So, why didn't you try to have him expelled before he became the delegate?

We did try. We tried a few time, I believe.

[Cromarty]

So, why didn't you try to have him expelled before he became the delegate?

We did try. We tried a few time, I believe.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Socialist Ecuador]

So, why didn't you try to have him expelled before he became the delegate?

We did try. We tried a few time, I believe.

You never attempted a lib, as natives have attested. Unless I missed something, which is possible.

[Fischistan]

We did try. We tried a few time, I believe.

You never attempted a lib, as natives have attested. Unless I missed something, which is possible.

I know we did try to recruit for one, but could not get the numbers. And I'm pretty sure we were out defending when you raided it.

[Unibot II]

You never attempted a lib, as natives have attested. Unless I missed something, which is possible.

I know we did try to recruit for one, but could not get the numbers. And I'm pretty sure we were out defending when you raided it.

This. We recruited for a liberation, but then the raid was piled heavily by the morning; we also had a liberation planned for sometime close to when the password was put in place.

[Jagermeister]

Asgard is vehemently opposed to this liberation resolution and we encourage all WA Regional Delegates and all WA nations to vote nay.

The region of RORMS has a troubling history that should give the Security Council pause. During this raid, regional natives have expressed homophobic, anti-Semitic, and pro-terrorist sentiments. Months prior to this raid, the FRA region Gay closed its embassy with RORMS for homophobia directed toward its regional citizens by the natives of RORMS. Whatever one may think of the tactics that The Black Riders are using in this raid, the Security Council is under no obligation to liberate a region with as despicable a history as RORMS has.

It should also be noted that the circumstances under which this liberation resolution was introduced were questionable to say the least. A liberation resolution that would have removed the password protection imposed upon The United Kingdom of Britain by the fascists of The Greater German Reich was abruptly removed by its UDL authors to clear the queue for this resolution. While Asgard refuses to vote aye on defender-authored liberation resolutions, we nevertheless find it reprehensible that the UDL prioritized the liberation of a region with as despicable a history as RORMS has over the liberation of a region being griefed by Nazis.

It is time -- in fact, long past due -- for the defender manipulation of the Security Council to end. Such manipulation has resulted in a longer griefing of TUKB by Nazis while the Security Council instead considers the liberation of a region with a history of virulent bigotry. That is a very good reason to vote nay on this liberation resolution as the first step in standing against defenders who would use the Security Council to their own ends rather than for the good of the interregional community.

[Fischistan]

That is a very good reason to vote nay on this liberation resolution as the first step in standing against defenders who would use the Security Council to their own ends rather than for the good of the interregional community.[/quote]
No it's not. A Liberation is a Liberation, regardless of wo authored it. And do you honestly expect a raider would write a Liberation?

[Gest]

Asgard is vehemently opposed to this liberation resolution and we encourage all WA Regional Delegates and all WA nations to vote nay.

The region of RORMS has a troubling history that should give the Security Council pause. During this raid, regional natives have expressed homophobic, anti-Semitic, and pro-terrorist sentiments.

That is really the main reason we stayed. The longest we usually stay is two weeks and we've never gone for a password before but these guys just kept putting their foots in their mouths with quotes like these

From the founder of RORMS, whose main nation was deleted before the raid happened,
http://liberal.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=1395506

Seriously, I cannot believe people think it is a-okay to say, “I support RL terrorists killing civilians and shooting US/NATO troops because I was raided". That is not justifiable under any context.

[Tim-Opolis]

I, Krankor, delegate of Farkistan, vote NAY on the liberation proposal.

The timeline here is curious. Talgud was elected delegate of RORMS back in April after a long residency. And yet he passworded the region just at the beginning of this week. Surely the natives of RORMS had ample opportunity to study Talgud, his sympathies and his past activities, as well as the suspicious spike in immigrating nations over this period. Is the purpose of this liberation to compensate for the RORMS natives' lack of research skills and poor judgment?

But since Talgud has now been overthrown, the entire proposal may be rendered moot.

Not overthrown. When one man runs out of regional influence, we usually have a back up man.

*waves*

I'm the back up man. Hexorg.

[Tim-Opolis]

That is a very good reason to vote nay on this liberation resolution as the first step in standing against defenders who would use the Security Council to their own ends rather than for the good of the interregional community.

No it's not. A Liberation is a Liberation, regardless of wo authored it. And do you honestly expect a raider would write a Liberation?[/quote]

Depends. Do you consider Oh My Days a raider?

[Fischistan]

That is a very good reason to vote nay on this liberation resolution as the first step in standing against defenders who would use the Security Council to their own ends rather than for the good of the interregional community.

No it's not. A Liberation is a Liberation, regardless of wo authored it. And do you honestly expect a raider would write a Liberation?

Depends. Do you consider Oh My Days a raider?[/quote]
I stand corrected.

And Gest, US soldiers shoot and bomb innocent civilians in Yemen and Pakistan.

[Datavia]

Whatever one may think of the tactics that The Black Riders are using in this raid, the Security Council is under no obligation to liberate a region with as despicable a history as RORMS has.

So, if an obnoxious person is mugged, it's OK for the police to step aside, right?

[Titiwu]

So now raiding is
civil rights advocacy...
Pull the other one.

[Dutch Jericho]

Whatever one may think of the tactics that The Black Riders are using in this raid, the Security Council is under no obligation to liberate a region with as despicable a history as RORMS has.

So, if an obnoxious person is mugged, it's OK for the police to step aside, right?

It's OK for them to take their time so the mugger can flee.

[Campinia]

So, if an obnoxious person is mugged, it's OK for the police to step aside, right?

It's OK for them to take their time so the mugger can flee.

That's ridiculous and you know it.

[Delegate Vinage]

It's OK for them to take their time so the mugger can flee.

That's ridiculous and you know it.

As is the idea of comparing raiding and defending to muggers and the police

[Sacred Yggdrasil]

No it's not. A Liberation is a Liberation, regardless of wo authored it. And do you honestly expect a raider would write a Liberation?

Are you serious? Besides Oh My Days, who has already been mentioned, there is a liberation proposal sitting in this forum right now authored by LKE. Ironically, it was authored after you decided to leave TUKB to be griefed by Nazis so that you could concentrate on liberating RORMS despite its appalling history.

A liberation is indeed a liberation, but authorship does matter. The UDL in general and you specifically have proven in recent days that your priorities in regard to liberations are skewed, to say the least. Given the poor judgment you exercised in leaving TUKB to be griefed by Nazis so the UDL could deal a blow to The Black Riders, why should anyone trust or reward that judgment by voting for this resolution? Why should the Security Council continue allowing itself to be manipulated by defenders who would use it for their own political aims rather than for the greater interregional good?

[Sualtam]

The high number of approvals on the TUKB proposal suggests they might have been put in the wrong order. Also isn't a bigger coalition likely to support a TUKB action?