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Hitler's Many Failures

Postby Uraeli » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:00 pm

Although NS isn't a necessarily military -savvy place, I thought I would make a thread on the failures that prevented Hitler's victory in WW2. Here we go:

-Invasion of Soviet Unoin
-Failure to provide suffecient forces to Erwin Rommel in North Africa
-Failure to occupy Dunkirk before BEF and French could escape
-Failure to seize lighty-defended Middle east, granting almost unlimited oil supplies
-Failure to assault Malta
-Order the bombing of British cities
-Failure to occupy French colonies, allowing Germans to occupy Spanish Morocco with our much trouble and use Luftwaffe to gain control of Gibraltar

and some more.

What are your thoughts, NS? Is this a viable list, or do you dispute some of my points?
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Postby Costa Fiero » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:09 pm

Make friends with Mussolini. You missed that.

Also, the failure of enough supplies to reach Rommel in North Africa wasn't the direct result of Hitler or the German logistics system but rather of the Royal Navy's dominance of the Mediterranean, which could have not eventuated had Mussolini had the balls to send the Italian Navy to destroy the rest of the British fleet as it was leaving Crete.

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Postby Uraeli » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:10 pm

Ah, yes, Mussolini. I did miss that.

As for the British Navy, attacking Malta would've solved most of that problem. Instead of Crete, which had little stractegic value.
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Postby Doughertania » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:11 pm

And thought he was smarter than his generals, and not launching an amphibious assualt on Britian.
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Postby Divair » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:11 pm

You forgot failure to move troops to Normandy.

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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:11 pm

Hitler only made one mistake that cost him the war. Everything else was salad dressing:

He dared to take on Canada and Australia.
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Postby Uraeli » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:13 pm

Doughertania wrote:And thought he was smarter than his generals, and not launching an amphibious assualt on Britian.

1. Too true.

2. He couldn't really assault Britain until he gained air supremacy over the Isle, in order to safely protect amphibious vehicles.
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Postby Uraeli » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:15 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Hitler only made one mistake that cost him the war. Everything else was salad dressing:

He dared to take on Canada and Australia.


Oh, yeah that definitely made a difference :roll: Juno Beach and all that jazz.
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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:16 pm

Doughertania wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Hitler only made one mistake that cost him the war. Everything else was salad dressing:

He dared to take on Canada and Australia.

:lol: thats funny. Hence the :lol:

Hey, remember when Americans held the city of Tobruk for several weeks despite constantly fighting off Rommel and his Afrika Corps? Or when Americans penetrated further inland than the rest of the allies at Normandy?

Oh, right, that's because America didn't do either of those.
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Postby Costa Fiero » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:16 pm

Uraeli wrote:Ah, yes, Mussolini. I did miss that.

As for the British Navy, attacking Malta would've solved most of that problem. Instead of Crete, which had little stractegic value.


Except that Crete held the remnants of the forces which were siphoned from Egypt and sent to Greece. Get rid of these remnants and you have a severely weakened force in Egypt.

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Postby Divair » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:17 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Doughertania wrote:
:lol: thats funny. Hence the :lol:

Hey, remember when Americans held the city of Tobruk for several weeks despite constantly fighting off Rommel and his Afrika Corps? Or when Americans penetrated further inland than the rest of the allies at Normandy?

Oh, right, that's because America didn't do either of those.

Or when Americans won the Battle of Britain? Or the battle of El Alamein?
Quite funny how the Americans think they won the war.

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Postby Uraeli » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:18 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Doughertania wrote:
:lol: thats funny. Hence the :lol:

Hey, remember when Americans held the city of Tobruk for several weeks despite constantly fighting off Rommel and his Afrika Corps? Or when Americans penetrated further inland than the rest of the allies at Normandy?

Oh, right, that's because America didn't do either of those.


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Postby Uraeli » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:18 pm

Costa Fiero wrote:
Uraeli wrote:Ah, yes, Mussolini. I did miss that.

As for the British Navy, attacking Malta would've solved most of that problem. Instead of Crete, which had little stractegic value.


Except that Crete held the remnants of the forces which were siphoned from Egypt and sent to Greece. Get rid of these remnants and you have a severely weakened force in Egypt.


Which he didn't attempt to assault.
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Postby Mewneta » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:20 pm

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Postby Costa Fiero » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:21 pm

Uraeli wrote:Which he didn't attempt to assault.


Hitler did, and even dealt a couple of blows to the RN.

Divair wrote:Quite funny how the Americans think they won the war.


Thank Hollywood for that.

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Postby Uraeli » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:22 pm

Costa Fiero wrote:
Uraeli wrote:Which he didn't attempt to assault.


Hitler did, and even dealt a couple of blows to the RN.



What? When? If your talking about the Afrika Korps, Hitler mainly did that to prevent total Italiamn collapse.
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Postby Camicon » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:23 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Hitler only made one mistake that cost him the war. Everything else was salad dressing:

He dared to take on Canada and Australia.

Damn straight. Hitler didn't know what hit him when he was flanked with our combined polar bear and kangaroo cavalry.

But seriously, Canadian and Australian troops were fucking badass in WWII.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:23 pm

he was a shitty corporal too.
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Postby Old Geneva » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:24 pm

I think you're a Nazi! No, but yes he made a lot of mistakes. One of them being in atomic research. He never saw nuclear capabilities to be used in war, only to supply his nation with limitless electricity. That was his biggest mistake.
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Postby Vorond » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:25 pm

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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:26 pm

Divair wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Hey, remember when Americans held the city of Tobruk for several weeks despite constantly fighting off Rommel and his Afrika Corps? Or when Americans penetrated further inland than the rest of the allies at Normandy?

Oh, right, that's because America didn't do either of those.

Or when Americans won the Battle of Britain? Or the battle of El Alamein?
Quite funny how the Americans think they won the war.

Or set up a cross-France escape line for Allied airmen, escaped POWs, and agents. Or shattered the Afrika Corps. Or strafed Rommel's car shortly after D-Day, taking him out of the fight. Or organized and protected the supply convoys to Britain and Russia. Or held of the Japanese in China, Burma, and Southern Asia. Or captured most of Sicily and Italy. Or broke through at Monte Cassino, thus shattering the Hitler Line. Or liberated Belgium. Or liberated Denmark. Or liberated Holland. Or liberated Norway...

I could go on.
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Postby Scandavia » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:27 pm

Lets not forget to mention his failed secret weapons that didn't work.
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