Quelesh wrote:Sanctaria wrote:
But... it's a civil issue, Ambassador.
Are you seriously suggesting nations totally overhaul their legal systems because you want people released after 2 hours instead of, say, 6 or something?
There is no legitimate justification for detaining someone for more than two hours straight who is not even suspected of committing a crime. If she commits contempt of court, you can fine her. If she refuses to pay her fines, you can arrest and detain her for that crime. But you should not be able to just arrest her and hold her for a significant period of time for a "civil issue."
Alexandria Yadoru
Quelesian WA ambassador
I feel we have to repeat a debate that was recorded four pages back:
Bears Armed wrote:"Some nations' laws allow for the temporary detention of publicly intoxicated indivduals until they sober-up, for their own and the general public's safety, without actually requiring that they face any charges... A harmless procedure, indeed a benign one, which this proposal would prohibit."
Retired WerePenguins wrote:I have a minor concern about this clause. In some quaint old fashioned systems of government, a person may be detained, with their consent, for periods longer than two hours in order to allow for specific time related conditions to occur. One example is becomming sober enough to legally drive, although I have heard cases where "detention" was used in cases of exceptionally low rates of homelessness and exceptionally harsh weather conditions as the cost of doing so was less than the cost of maintaining a mostly unused shelter.
And a continuation to this debate made three pages back:
Damanucus wrote:[T]his resolution would make this procedure somewhat difficult to execute to full effectiveness. Intoxicated individuals may take more than two hours to sober up (and indeed may also need to be detained more than once in a week), and "public nuisance" events, such as out-of-control demonstrations, may need more than two hours just to get everyone settled down (although that may be a bit of a bad example). So, for once, I'm going to have to debate against the use of hard-coded time limits for this resolution, as it makes keeping the peace a lot more difficult.
Now, yes, Ambassador Yadoru provided her own response:
Quelesh wrote:In some nations, public intoxication is a crime, and in such nations such individuals could be held on suspicion of that crime, or could be formally charged. In other nations, such as Quelesh, in which public intoxication is not a crime, clause 1 would limit "public safety" detention to two hours[.]
However, there are few who are satisfied with this response (and I hail back to my previous response, which actually came after Quelesh's response, as an example).
Additionally, I wish to bring to note this response that was made by Ambassador Yadoru, that was made after this resolution was resubmitted:
Quelesh wrote:In fact, in addition to the necessary edits to remove the work of the previous ambassador from Connopolis, I also made an addition to the proposal prior to resubmission in order to close a potential loophole. I have, however, rejected the edits proposed by a few ambassadors here, as they would unacceptably weaken the proposal.
Now, this comment only served to solidify what the delegations have debated for the entirety of this drafting (and I shall quote Klause Uliyan):
Merfurian wrote:We wish to add that in further style of Qualesh, she obliterates the work of anyone who disagrees with her and then resubmits the proposal, whilst blocking her ears and singing very loudly to drown out criticism.
This resolution has largely remained unchanged since it was first proposed for draft. (And yes, I checked.) The only changes that were executed were the shift of two clauses to "Prohibit Double Jeopardy" (by the same author), and the removal of Connopolis' contributions. Outside of that, what you see is what was proposed from the very beginning.
In the face of such concern, I shall change my initial, implied abstinence to a solid Against vote.
Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus