by Crazy girl » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:18 pm
by White Lance » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:36 pm
by The Murtunian Tribes » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:56 pm
White Lance wrote:But was the UDL, and other assorted organisations, really justified in attempting a coup as a response, when there were, dare I say, better and more official ways of dealing with such an act? Was there a lack of proof or something;is that why you acted via coup?
We leaked report of the coup attempt to Lux because we believed the accusations to be fabrications, which is now proved to be untrue. Yet we also considered the choice of a coup to be an illegitimate way of resolving the issue.
The Balder VD is suggesting this was a multi-organisation action, not just UDL; happy to recognise that. Question still applies - why coup? Could moderators really not act as it wasn't an in-game offence? If no in-game offence was committed, was an in-game response justified, or should the hacked user have contacted his ISP? This is quite a thorny issue, and we aren't campaigning for a certain view here (unlike in our ceaseless efforts to unseat Krulltopia); we are interested to hear justifications and discussions on this. Please keep it civil.
by Fotar » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:00 pm
by White Lance » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:08 pm
by Frattastan » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:14 pm
White Lance wrote:While it's nice to see raiders and defenders working together to deal with a genuine problem (if only you'd do it against TP ), it just seems if the response had been more open a lot of problems could have been avoided.
Drop Your Pants wrote:I think raiders are cute, the way they think they're big and scary people who threaten others :)
by White Lance » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:17 pm
by Fotar » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:17 pm
by White Lance » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:20 pm
by Latnob » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:24 pm
White Lance wrote:Let me just take a moment to savor someone supporting something our group said on the forums.
We can understand a hack attempt would be traumatic, and could lead you to take precipitate action, Fotar. That makes sense. The response of the rest of the players though, particularly the defender groups who usually try to act with moderation, seems to need more explaining.
by Fotar » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:27 pm
Latnob wrote:What's there to explain? A regional government asked for assistance defending it from a possible potential tyrant, who would clearly stop at nothing.
by White Lance » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:33 pm
Latnob wrote:possible potential tyrant
by Unibot II » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:38 pm
White Lance wrote:Let me just take a moment to savor someone supporting something our group said on the forums.
We can understand a hack attempt would be traumatic, and could lead you to take precipitate action, Fotar. That makes sense. The response of the rest of the players though, particularly the defender groups who usually try to act with moderation, seems to need more explaining.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
General Halcones wrote:Look up to Unibot as an example.
by Kshrlmnt » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:42 pm
White Lance wrote:Latnob wrote:possible potential tyrant
Emphasis 'possible potential'. At the stage when the coup was decided upon, Lux hadn't actually committed any in-game offence (and still hasn't as far as I'm aware), nor had he done anything remotely dictatorial; you can't map his response to the coup on how he would have acted to a more reasoned approach. That's the point I'm trying to make; Lux was not approached, members of the region went behind his back. If we accept Fotar's statement he was unsettled by the hack, and so made the request, fine, but is what we are thus saying that nobody fully considered other options? There was no voice of moderation from within the UDL, for example, suggesting a more peaceful attempt? If so, fine, we'll re-evaluate our opinions of the groups involved; it just seems somewhat out of character for a group led by the famously law-conscious Unibot to support this severe an action at the point it did.
by Canalk » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:50 pm
by Swkoll » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:54 pm
by Mahaj » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:59 pm
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
by White Lance » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:07 pm
by White Lance » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:18 pm
by Nafistan » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:31 pm
by Lordieth » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:34 pm
by Frattastan » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:36 pm
Drop Your Pants wrote:I think raiders are cute, the way they think they're big and scary people who threaten others :)
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