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Condemning the WA

Postby Centraliza » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:14 pm

Delegate of the Drifting People's Republic of Centraliza,
Vincent De La Ross


I am here today not to conmmend, not to praise, not to flatter, but to condemn the World Assembly.

Once standing as a nation that sought to cooperate with the World Assembly, we now stand firmly against it. "Why?" Many of you will say. "And who are you?" others will back. Well, let me address both questions at the same time.

Centraliza was once a nation that believed in international cooperation, versus military force, to solve it's problems with other states. We had been successfull more than once, if not because we had diplomatically isolated the attacker, because we had been able to solve peacefully those issues with honor and honesty. This is exactly why we supported the World Assembly.

However, over time we have seen how good laws were repealed and not replaced by better versions. We have seen the degradation of the WA to the point that it literally forces doctors to accept circumsicion, a vile practice only a few religions follow, as a rightful medical practice. This prompted us to leave the Assembly for good; we would rather avoid passing such legislation, than imprisonning the WA delegates from forcing our doctors to pass it.

As we had predicted, the WA continues to sink in a deeper level of corruption, inefficiency, and overwhelming idiocity. How deep will it continue to sink? How long will it be before it tries to legalize things such as pedophilia, bribery, and narcotics...?

We have seen enought. Thanks to this new resolution which, as of now, will pass, Centralizan slang is calling the WA the "W***e A**Emblem".

We know we have limited power, we know a theath will be worth nothing. But, in the name of honor, sovereignity, and the right of national morality, we condemn the World Assembly with the strongest words possible.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:50 pm

"Do you seriously think that those nations who are still members of the World Assembly really give a rats ass what you, one National Leader, thinks? Honestly I find this 'Condemnation' of the WA to be rather infantile and just something that is coming from a National Leader who thinks himself as of being a Holier-Than-Thou loser. And you can quote this as coming from a non-Member of the World Assembly."
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:55 pm

The Dominion of North Calaveras Condemns the WA as well. We chose not to join their bickering and their bureaucracy of power hungry nations who get a high from bullying others. We stand with Centraliza in this development. They have shown time and time again to forge their little gangs and pick on those that they feel easy enough to attack. A organization such as them should be dismantled for the betterment of humanity.
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Postby Centraliza » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:06 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:"Do you seriously think that those nations who are still members of the World Assembly really give a rats ass what you, one National Leader, thinks? Honestly I find this 'Condemnation' of the WA to be rather infantile and just something that is coming from a National Leader who thinks himself as of being a Holier-Than-Thou loser. And you can quote this as coming from a non-Member of the World Assembly."
Stated by Mr. Kennith G. Terrance, the Shazbotdom Minister of Foreign Affairs, in a Television interview on Shazbotdom News Network.


Delegate of the Drifting People's Republic of Centraliza,
Vincent De La Ross


Your ignorance is noted but disrepected, Mr. Terrance. First off, I am not the leader of my country as the leader of my country has far better things to do than deal with the overbloated would-be global government than the World Assembly is. However, this matter does affects us. Currently the World Assembly makes the passing of it's laws mandatory. All of it's rulings are absolute. Though they can be repealed, so far the continuing trend we see only highlights the fact that the WA is in decadence... On the road to totalitarianism. Do not get me wrong, the idea of a international meeting body with standards is very repealing to us. Such idea has potential. But the idea of a body that forces members states to abide by it's laws, essentially polices it's members, as oppossed to the other way around.

Lastly, Mr. Terrance, this is on a personall note. It is funny how you defend the World Assembly yet do not partake in it. This diplomatic channell is not meant to engrandize Centraliza nor it's leaders, and was in fact stated on our very first communiqué. The idea is simply to express our disagreement with the path the World Assembly is taking and that, in the extreme case that things came to it, we would defend ourselves at all costs to protect our sovereignity from it.
North Calaveras wrote:The Dominion of North Calaveras Condemns the WA as well. We chose not to join their bickering and their bureaucracy of power hungry nations who get a high from bullying others. We stand with Centraliza in this development. They have shown time and time again to forge their little gangs and pick on those that they feel easy enough to attack. A organization such as them should be dismantled for the betterment of humanity.

We thank the delegate from the Dominion of North Calaveras from their support. The WA, as it's development stands, could be a very real danger for international sovereignity in the future. While there are nations that are willing to give up their independence, we disgress, and stand ready to defend ourselves and our rights as a nation-state.

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Postby Wazkyraque » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:09 pm

Are you serious?
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You are?

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Postby Unilisia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:09 pm

You are not in the WA, thus it doesn't affect your nation when the WA chooses to pass laws. Once again, you are not a member, you are not bound by any law it passes.

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Postby Centraliza » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:14 pm

Wazkyraque wrote:Are you serious?
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You are?

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Are you serious about your Anarchism?
Unilisia wrote:You are not in the WA, thus it doesn't affect your nation when the WA chooses to pass laws. Once again, you are not a member, you are not bound by any law it passes.

- Random Unilisia Diplomat

That is precisely our point. A honest body for non-WA nations do not exists. We feel a new organization ought to be created. The WA as it's stands runs the risk of becoming a expansionist force. Once it possess it's own military force, we doubt it will merely be used for "protection".

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Postby Unilisia » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:14 pm

Centraliza wrote:
Wazkyraque wrote:Are you serious?
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You are?

- the yet-to-be-named-Wazkyraqi-delegate.

Delegate of the Drifting People's Republic of Centraliza,
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Are you serious about your Anarchism?
Unilisia wrote:You are not in the WA, thus it doesn't affect your nation when the WA chooses to pass laws. Once again, you are not a member, you are not bound by any law it passes.

- Random Unilisia Diplomat

That is precisely our point. A honest body for non-WA nations do not exists. We feel a new organization ought to be created. The WA as it's stands runs the risk of becoming a expansionist force. Once it possess it's own military force, we doubt it will merely be used for "protection".


The World Assembly does not have a military force; Such a force has been prohibited by its own laws. Your fears are unfounded.

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Postby Centraliza » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:24 pm

Unilisia wrote:The World Assembly does not have a military force; Such a force has been prohibited by its own laws. Your fears are unfounded.

- Random Unilisian Diplomat

Delegate of the Drifting People's Republic of Centraliza,
Vincent De La Ross


Delegate, your words are precisely why one should be cautious. Let me tell you why:

Man years ago Centraliza was member of an organization named the "Confederation of Elysium". This organization, while good intended, followed a path that parallels the present one of the World Assembly: It became increasingly involved in the policies of it's members. Laws that determined civil rights, tariff and custom duties, and even tax codes, were passed. However at this point, many nations decided instead to balk at the passed resolutions and openly rejected them. Under a emergency meeting, the CoE repealed the laws that prevented it from forming a independant force, and shortly thereafter, a resolution to vote for a unified military force was passed. Nations had either to federalize (and thus losse control thereof) their armies, or be classified as 'rogue states'. Centraliza and many other nations left before this resolution passed, effectively no longer bound to it's rulings. But, the newly-created military did not care about our sovereignity. It opnely attacked neutral and independant nations; and proceed to annex them. Were it not for Centraliza and the now defuctional League of the Free Worlds, the Confederation of Elysium would span entire solar systems, spreading totalitarianism with it.

If one does not learn from the past... One is doomed to repeat it. So history goes, delegate.
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Centraliza wrote:
Unilisia wrote:The World Assembly does not have a military force; Such a force has been prohibited by its own laws. Your fears are unfounded.

- Random Unilisian Diplomat

Delegate of the Drifting People's Republic of Centraliza,
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Delegate, your words are precisely why one should be cautious. Let me tell you why:

Man years ago Centraliza was member of an organization named the "Confederation of Elysium". This organization, while good intended, followed a path that parallels the present one of the World Assembly: It became increasingly involved in the policies of it's members. Laws that determined civil rights, tariff and custom duties, and even tax codes, were passed. However at this point, many nations decided instead to balk at the passed resolutions and openly rejected them. Under a emergency meeting, the CoE repealed the laws that prevented it from forming a independant force, and shortly thereafter, a resolution to vote for a unified military force was passed. Nations had either to federalize (and thus losse control thereof) their armies, or be classified as 'rogue states'. Centraliza and many other nations left before this resolution passed, effectively no longer bound to it's rulings. But, the newly-created military did not care about our sovereignity. It opnely attacked neutral and independant nations; and proceed to annex them. Were it not for Centraliza and the now defuctional League of the Free Worlds, the Confederation of Elysium would span entire solar systems, spreading totalitarianism with it.

If one does not learn from the past... One is doomed to repeat it. So history goes, delegate.


The World Assembly is not a confederation of the ignorant.

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Postby Centraliza » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:47 pm

Unilisia wrote:The World Assembly is not a confederation of the ignorant.

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Ironically, delegate, the recent laws of the World Assembly hold a striking resemblance to the Confederation of Elysium's ones.

Please forgive us, but our caution is based on history, not mere speculation. We have already fought for our freedom once, and we will fight again if required... But is not it better to be sure that such fight does not need to happen in the first place?

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Postby Sulfar » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:52 pm

While Sulfar does not condemn the WA and thinks of the world body as a necessary tool to ensure peace between nations, we do agree that the ability of the WA to be involved in state affairs should be removed.

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Postby YellowApple » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:07 pm

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Mr. Ross:

We agree completely with your sentiments regarding the World Assembly, as they are the very reasons why the Nomadic Peoples of YellowApple is no longer a member nation. It has long disintegrated into a bureaucratic morass of an organization which we elected to no longer be a part of.

In short, we support your viewpoints, and are curious as to what solutions to this problem you have to offer.

We look forward to lasting peace and prosperity between our nations.

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Postby Ravenvalles » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:27 pm

We of the Republic of Ravenvalles have sat on the sidelines for a while. Concerned by the obligations attached to becoming a member of the World Assembly. We have a proud heritage of independence and self determination. Part of this heritage is several types of polyfidelity in marriage. We recoil at the thought of a well intentioned, but ill considered ruling by the WA like 'Marriage being one man and one woman'. Could truncate linear marriages, or prevent the additional spouses clause in many of our marriages from being exercised.

We of the Republic of Ravenvalles do not condemn the WA for acting in the best interest of their members, but we are not sure their priorities are the same as ours. We are interested in hearing the solutions the Drifting People's Republic of Centraliza is considering.

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The Union of Tinis may be taking a different path then that of the nation of Centraliza, but we would like to add our voice to the chorus of nations that condemn the current incarnation of the World Assembly. The World Assembly began as a force for good in the international community by bringing us together as an international community, protecting its member nations from the aggressive and negligent actions of other nations, and protecting the basic freedoms of its people.

But in recent times it has turned towards overstepping the bounds of this basic ideal.

The World Assembly has:

Repealed its own protections provided to Humanitarian aid without passing a substitute resolution to improve upon the repeal resolution.
Repealed its own rules regarding sea law without passing a substitute to govern this very important area of international relations.
Requires that nations that have any institution of higher education offer them up to participate in a foreign exchange program, be those institutions public or private, and thus infringing on the rights of private institutions of higher education in some cases to refuse admissions to foreign citizens.
Repealed its own efforts to protect endangered species without passing a substitute resolution that improves upon the repealed resolution.
Lifted its own ban on biological weapons, a ban which, despite the flaws in the language of the original resolution, was making the international community safer, and thus this repeal has made the world a less safe place.
Repealed its own efforts to monitor the global environment, robbing many nations with the tools they need to protect their own habitats and to locate sources of climate change.
Repeatedly targeting resolutions at specific types of economies by identifying specifically companies, while having the full knowledge that some nations don't practice traditional capitalism.
Explicitly allows for the formation of international institutions of accreditation that can use any standard, be it legitimately related to academics or not, to determine the equivalent level academics between nations, without being required to share the accreditation process that such an institution uses, just the final result.
Has refused to have a sensible set of rules regarding neutral nations for most of this year.
Similarly with regards to protecting the rights of clones.
Has supported bunk science to mandate the permitting of surgical practices that do more harm then good.
Undid its own popular effort to support space research and development for the benefit of all World Assembly nations.
Dismantled the international time standard, setting back international commerce decades.

And that's just this year.

The World Assembly is abandoning its role as an international force of justice. Is removing rules of international conflict, putting all nations at risk. Is ending its efforts to bring all nations to a common level of development. Has abandoned good science. Is unfairly targeting specific economic systems for regulation, thus promoting some economic systems over others. And presently is threatening to intervene in a highly specific profession, legalizing it in all World Assembly nations, despite no evidence that such a profession is practiced legally or illicitly in all member nations. What more, this resolution is heavily reliant on past WA resolutions. If the World Assembly continues its efforts to repeal needed international rules while increasing the number of unneeded resolutions, then the assurances being made that certain resolutions will never be repealed will be but lies.

Our mounting disgust with the international community is at an all time high. We hope to be a force to change the course of the World Assembly, but all the same, we must condemn it as a body. For it has abandoned its mission and is moving towards being an organization for the regulation of internal matters of particular kinds of nation states. Hardly an international body of peace and freedom.

The Union of Tinis laughs at the partisans of the World Assembly, as they have all grown to be interventionists, be they counting themselves as supporting national sovereignty or not.

We stand at a cross roads at this time between a safe international community, and an international community dominated by an effectively fascist international state. The Union supports a safe international community and we urge all others to do so as well.

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Postby Centraliza » Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:42 am

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We thank all the delegates that are discussing here and those who agree with us.

So far, Centraliza has been thinkering with the idea of a new organization, paralel to the World Assembly, but built upon a way that would prevent it becoming an interventionist organization like the WA is.

If anyone has similar or different ideas we would like to hear about them.

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Postby Southern Patriots » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:08 am

So your nation left the World Assembly for the circumcision issue, which isn't entirely unreasonable. But you mention what you consider "good" laws being repealed and not replaced by better versions. Could you cite some of these?

Remember Rhodesia.

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Postby Centraliza » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:22 am

Southern Patriots wrote:So your nation left the World Assembly for the circumcision issue, which isn't entirely unreasonable. But you mention what you consider "good" laws being repealed and not replaced by better versions. Could you cite some of these?

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The Union of Tinis has done so for us already. The resolotions, should you decide to view them, rest in the public database of the World Assembly itself.

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Postby Southern Patriots » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:23 am

Centraliza wrote:
Southern Patriots wrote:So your nation left the World Assembly for the circumcision issue, which isn't entirely unreasonable. But you mention what you consider "good" laws being repealed and not replaced by better versions. Could you cite some of these?

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The Union of Tinis has done so for us already. The resolotions, should you decide to view them, rest in the public database of the World Assembly itself.

Right, but which ones are you talking about. All of those repealed? Certain ones?

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Postby Pyeon-Gang Ho » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:50 am

The Kingdom shares in your frustration of the World Assembly and we withdrew promptly with the overwhelming support of WA Resolution forcing nations into Legalizing Prostitution even when it goes against their core values as a nations. The appalling liberal bias of this assembly is striking and we refuse to be apart of it any longer.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:54 am

There are Dictatorships, Anarchies, Democracies and everything in the WA. The WA is not a military organisation (i.e NATO) but it is clearly something like and formerly called on NS the UN. You can create alliances like the RL NATO in the forums. Opposing other nations etc.
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Postby The Cookish States » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:59 am

We in the F.F.C.S back the condemnation whole-heartedly and will support the uprooting of the WA in any way possible.
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Postby Centraliza » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:21 am

Southern Patriots wrote:Right, but which ones are you talking about. All of those repealed? Certain ones?

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All of the ones mentioned by Tinis. The resolution archives are not deleted; even repealed resolutions remain in place (however not in effect, of course). The list also happens to contain resolutions that negatively affect a nation, by infrighting upon it's sovereign rights or by potentially benefical methods of action. For example, the international time standards.

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Postby Kleomentia » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:03 pm

As a member of WA Kleomentia would like to know why are you scared of the WA? We are not NATO, we are a peacekeeping organization. We do not have a military force. The moment we get it, if we get it, then you should be scared. But not for now we are just a peacekeeping organization. You do not have to follow the laws of WA since you are not a member, why do you complain?
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Postby Alpha and Delta Pact » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:14 pm

The Reformed Federation of Alpha and Delta Pact was a member of the WA until yesterday. Interfering in a nation laws for example Legalizing Prostitution is not peacekeeping. I think the WA is a good idea but there is a border in how much it can interfere with a nations laws and it's crossed it. I am not condemning the WA.
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