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DEFEATED: Fairness in Currency Exchange

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Arkinesia
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Founded: Aug 22, 2008
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Postby Arkinesia » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:54 pm

Flibbleites wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:It's only fair to the countries to levy a tax on exchanged currency, because otherwise the exchange companies can never make a profit

"Does this statement make sense to anybody apart from its author?!?"

I think they're confusing a tax on a currency exchange with a fee on one.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

So I have, it seems. :palm:

The Ambassador for Arkinesia mutters incoherencies at Crumblestan's reaction to the resolution, before saying:

"We feel that this resolution is a fine start, but this silly tax thing should go away by all means. If the resolution were to be re-introduced with merely the currency exchange board, the Fatherland of Arkinesia would heartily support it."
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Krioval
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Postby Krioval » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:55 pm

Crumblestan wrote:Ambiguity in law (esp. concerning levies and monies) is more dangerous than my nuclear stockpile a monkey with a hand grenade. This is not something that should be enforced on the population at large. If you wish to pursue these tactics, I suggest you start this as a smaller, more regional scale with your ally nations. I suspect you will find the backlash from non-participating, neighboring regions to be an eye opener.

I strongly urge all WA members to vote against this and would support a vote of censure against the author if such a vote were to arise.

Signed,
The Supreme Lord and Commander of The Grumpy Old Armed Republic of Crumblestan


Seriously? You would support a censure against a national representative because he or she brought legislation up for vote? How you manage to lead a nation with such poor reading comprehension and political skill is beyond me.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

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Crumblestan
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Founded: Apr 19, 2009
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Postby Crumblestan » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:05 pm

Krioval wrote:
Crumblestan wrote:Ambiguity in law (esp. concerning levies and monies) is more dangerous than my nuclear stockpile a monkey with a hand grenade. This is not something that should be enforced on the population at large. If you wish to pursue these tactics, I suggest you start this as a smaller, more regional scale with your ally nations. I suspect you will find the backlash from non-participating, neighboring regions to be an eye opener.

I strongly urge all WA members to vote against this and would support a vote of censure against the author if such a vote were to arise.

Signed,
The Supreme Lord and Commander of The Grumpy Old Armed Republic of Crumblestan


Seriously? You would support a censure against a national representative because he or she brought legislation up for vote? How you manage to lead a nation with such poor reading comprehension and political skill is beyond me.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval


The Supreme Lord and Commander of The Grumpy Old Armed Republic of Crumblestan will ignore the author's feeble attempts to malign his good name. (although this may further the argument for censure).

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Flibbleites
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Postby Flibbleites » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:43 pm

Crumblestan wrote:
Krioval wrote:
Crumblestan wrote:Ambiguity in law (esp. concerning levies and monies) is more dangerous than my nuclear stockpile a monkey with a hand grenade. This is not something that should be enforced on the population at large. If you wish to pursue these tactics, I suggest you start this as a smaller, more regional scale with your ally nations. I suspect you will find the backlash from non-participating, neighboring regions to be an eye opener.

I strongly urge all WA members to vote against this and would support a vote of censure against the author if such a vote were to arise.

Signed,
The Supreme Lord and Commander of The Grumpy Old Armed Republic of Crumblestan


Seriously? You would support a censure against a national representative because he or she brought legislation up for vote? How you manage to lead a nation with such poor reading comprehension and political skill is beyond me.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval


The Supreme Lord and Commander of The Grumpy Old Armed Republic of Crumblestan will ignore the author's feeble attempts to malign his good name. (although this may further the argument for censure).

Censure? Did some of Sheik Larebil's stash manage to survive the destruction of the UN building?

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Wencee
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Founded: Jan 25, 2008
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Postby Wencee » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:11 pm

our region casts it vote against this free trade resolution.
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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:35 am

Crumblestan wrote:Ambiguity in law (esp. concerning levies and monies) is more dangerous than my nuclear stockpile a monkey with a hand grenade.


"Which is why, despite the apparent failures in reading and/or comprehension by certain delegations, this proposal's terms do not contain any ambiguity."


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Qumkent
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Postby Qumkent » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:31 am

Crumblestan wrote:
Krioval wrote:
Crumblestan wrote:Ambiguity in law (esp. concerning levies and monies) is more dangerous than my nuclear stockpile a monkey with a hand grenade. This is not something that should be enforced on the population at large. If you wish to pursue these tactics, I suggest you start this as a smaller, more regional scale with your ally nations. I suspect you will find the backlash from non-participating, neighboring regions to be an eye opener.

I strongly urge all WA members to vote against this and would support a vote of censure against the author if such a vote were to arise.

Signed,
The Supreme Lord and Commander of The Grumpy Old Armed Republic of Crumblestan


Seriously? You would support a censure against a national representative because he or she brought legislation up for vote? How you manage to lead a nation with such poor reading comprehension and political skill is beyond me.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval


The Supreme Lord and Commander of The Grumpy Old Armed Republic of Crumblestan will ignore the author's feeble attempts to malign his good name. (although this may further the argument for censure).




Feeble is a relative term, it was our belief that honoured Ambassador Tyvok's description of your Excellency's reading comprehension was in fact perfectly accurate. We would strongly urge your Excellency not to throw ugly terms like "censure" about in quite so casual a fashion, not least because the WA cannot censure its plenipotentiaries, making such threats as ridiculous as they are dishonourable.


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Charlotte Ryberg
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:53 am

"I feel sorry when it comes to this but sometimes noting that this is an indication that further development is recommended: for the record the resolution was defeated 3,780 votes to 1,353. Now, I will release the destructor penguins to show how disappointed I am with regards to the general view of free trade resolutions: I gotta be sure it would work in some way... my dad will pay for the damages."

In a rare feat of drama witnessed in the halls of the World Assembly, Ms. Sarah Harper stormed out of the hall in fury as a huge explosion hurled a gust of strong hurricane-force wind across the hall, sweeping papers off the table and lifting some ambassadors off their feet and back into their seats. There appeared, the Destructor Penguins (not just robots this time unlike the defeat of the TEA), with eyes firing laser beams, with a potential to slice anything that would stand in its way...
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Arkinesia
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Postby Arkinesia » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:04 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:"I feel sorry when it comes to this but sometimes noting that this is an indication that further development is recommended: for the record the resolution was defeated 3,780 votes to 1,353. Now, I will release the destructor penguins to show how disappointed I am with regards to the general view of free trade resolutions: I gotta be sure it would work in some way... my dad will pay for the damages."

In a rare feat of drama witnessed in the halls of the World Assembly, Ms. Sarah Harper stormed out of the hall in fury as a huge explosion hurled a gust of strong hurricane-force wind across the hall, sweeping papers off the table and lifting some ambassadors off their feet and back into their seats. There appeared, the Destructor Penguins (not just robots this time unlike the defeat of the TEA), with eyes firing laser beams, with a potential to slice anything that would stand in its way...

Arkinesia's ambassador, in light of being lifted from his seat, is even less inclined to vote in favor of free trade than before, he reports. He was forced to write via electronic mail, because the heat of the lasers has temporarily damaged his vocal chords. Arkinesia officially condemns Charlotte Ryberg's reaction.
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Krioval
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Postby Krioval » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:42 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:"I feel sorry when it comes to this but sometimes noting that this is an indication that further development is recommended: for the record the resolution was defeated 3,780 votes to 1,353."


While the Great Chiefdom is thankful for the intervention of the destructor penguins, we cannot help but to think that, with several weeks of development, redrafting, and transparency in submission, the fault ultimately lies with the lazy, those unskilled in reading legislation, and the petty. The debate on this resolution indicates that many voting nations were doing so based on incorrect assumptions, or worse, were stretching an interpretation to justify their prejudice against free trade.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

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The Gnomish Warbands
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Founded: Sep 20, 2005
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Postby The Gnomish Warbands » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:12 pm

Thadbroxton Kornweasel III, and his gnomosh warbands stomp into the festering snakepit. They are wearing studded leather armor, or chain mail armor, and are carrying assorted warhammers, mallets, ball-peen hammers, and stout clubs. Many of them are also carrying War Ferrets on their shoulders, or holding the fiece buggers back with leashes. Thadbroxton stomps up to Ambassador Darvek,while smoking a vile smelling stogie, and says rather pugnatiously,

"Lets cut to the chase, Ambassador. I hear you have problems with idiots. My boys like to scrap. Do you want me to let the lads galoolie some of the oposition for you?"

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Krioval
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Postby Krioval » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:33 pm

Why stop at some of the opposition, good warriors? In fact, I do believe that I have brought my ancestral axe. Perhaps we could teach one another a thing or two?

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

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Arkinesia
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Postby Arkinesia » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:52 pm

Krioval wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:"I feel sorry when it comes to this but sometimes noting that this is an indication that further development is recommended: for the record the resolution was defeated 3,780 votes to 1,353."


While the Great Chiefdom is thankful for the intervention of the destructor penguins, we cannot help but to think that, with several weeks of development, redrafting, and transparency in submission, the fault ultimately lies with the lazy, those unskilled in reading legislation, and the petty. The debate on this resolution indicates that many voting nations were doing so based on incorrect assumptions, or worse, were stretching an interpretation to justify their prejudice against free trade.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

In our case, it was not for a lack of desire, but a lack of ability. We've not got the time to browse the General Assembly day in and day out reading through resolutions.
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New Chalcedon
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Postby New Chalcedon » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:47 pm

Krioval wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:"I feel sorry when it comes to this but sometimes noting that this is an indication that further development is recommended: for the record the resolution was defeated 3,780 votes to 1,353."


While the Great Chiefdom is thankful for the intervention of the destructor penguins, we cannot help but to think that, with several weeks of development, redrafting, and transparency in submission, the fault ultimately lies with the lazy, those unskilled in reading legislation, and the petty. The debate on this resolution indicates that many voting nations were doing so based on incorrect assumptions, or worse, were stretching an interpretation to justify their prejudice against free trade.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval


I take offense at that remark: the Empire very clearly stipulated her objection to the legislation, as below:

New Chalcedon wrote:Absolutely not! The Empire of New Chalcedon is highly concerned about the issue of speculation, and the (proven) best way of dealing with ruthless currency speculators who try to sink nations' currencies and destroy their economies, and the first clause of the Resolution bans the only effective way of curbing speculation, saving only currency-fixing (which carries its own severe problems).

The Empire absolutely opposes this resolution, and will strongly consider resigning from the WA if it goes through.


These objections were not addressed, and any unbiased reading of the legislation lends credence to them.

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Krioval
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Postby Krioval » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:53 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:I take offense at that remark: the Empire very clearly stipulated her objection to the legislation, as below:

New Chalcedon wrote:Absolutely not! The Empire of New Chalcedon is highly concerned about the issue of speculation, and the (proven) best way of dealing with ruthless currency speculators who try to sink nations' currencies and destroy their economies, and the first clause of the Resolution bans the only effective way of curbing speculation, saving only currency-fixing (which carries its own severe problems).

The Empire absolutely opposes this resolution, and will strongly consider resigning from the WA if it goes through.


These objections were not addressed, and any unbiased reading of the legislation lends credence to them.

- Marius Antoninus
Under-Secretary to the Crown for matters pertaining to the World Assembly.


Fair enough. At least Your Excellency had some form of reasoning behind your nation's decision. Not that the Great Chiefdom agrees with your position. Also, if Your Excellency wishes to improve the legislation being drafted here, participation is critical. If Your Excellency has ideas for modifying this legislation, now that it has failed, we are interested in hearing your suggestions.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

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New Chalcedon
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Postby New Chalcedon » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:56 pm

Certainly. We believe that the first action clause, that which forbids any form of taxation on currency transactions, is inherently flawed - a 'deal breaker', as the term goes. If that were removed from the Proposal, we would change our stance to support of the Proposal, as it significantly levels the international playing field in the arena of currency markets.

- Marius Antoninus
Under-Secretary to the Crown for matters pertaining to the World Assembly.
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