The Identity of TSP's rogue delegate revealed

[Biyah]

With my impending resignation as an officer of TRR, I feel it is my duty to inform Naivetry and the citizens of The Rejected Realms about an event which could potentially impact the security of the region.

Pursuant to that, I hereby announce that Devonitians of recent TSP infamy is also known as Sedge, the Admin and Foreign Relations officer of TRR. Also privy to this knowledge and an active participant was CrazyGirl - who made a run to take the Delegacy from Dev - and Dali and Myself, who were made aware the day after he’d taken the delegacy. At Sedge's behest, we attempted to pull raider support into the region to hold the delegacy so Sedge could hand off the delegacy to CG or one of a couple others we'd selected.

Sedge and CG both used their positions to push TRR into neutrality, so we would not officially get involved and move against Sedge/CG's interests in the region.

It should also be noted that Wopruthien was recently made the intelligence chief of The Rejected Realms. It is my personal opinion that they are seeking to undermine defender efforts in future endeavors by keeping key personnel of the FRA/etc close at hand. Again, this is my opinion, I could be mistaken.

The following logs are from an IRC private conversation, and have no connection to The Rejected Realms forum or The Rejected Realms Government. CG, Dali, Sedge and I had a room on IRC that we coordinated on, I will pull any appropriate logs from it as necessary once I get home. Excepting Dali and Myself, the government and citizens of TRR was unaware of Sedge's activities - this was not a sanctioned move.

May 23 21:28:07 <sedge> 8 minutes ago: Devonitians was endorsed by The Oh No! The Mods Got Her Queendom of Crazy girl.
May 23 21:28:13 <sedge> Seconds ago: Devonitians was endorsed by The Holy Cuddly Modalicious Zombie State of Katganista
May 23 21:28:13 * Dali snorts
May 23 21:28:14 <sedge> >_>
May 23 21:28:21 <sedge> I think it's time I came clean...
May 23 21:28:23 <Dali> Wow
May 23 21:28:30 <Dali> Three Mods endorsing him.
May 23 21:28:33 <sedge> endorsing me
May 23 21:28:38 <Dali> Oh
May 23 21:28:56 <sedge> aye
May 23 21:28:58 * Dali chuckles
May 23 21:29:09 <sedge> Just don't tell anyone
May 23 21:29:17 <Dali> Good. I had suspected, hence why I wanted this little chat.
May 23 21:29:29 <sedge> Yeah, I figured. Bleep had it worked out too.
May 23 21:30:21 <Dali> So, as I said before, that I wanted to congratulate whomever was Devon.
May 23 21:30:24 <Dali> Well, congrats!
May 23 21:30:28 <sedge> thanks
May 23 21:30:51 <Dali> I believe that you also qualify for the Ex-Feeder Tyrant Club.
May 23 21:31:15 <sedge> woo!
May 23 21:32:21 <sedge> I *might* just be able to hold out at the next update

May 23 21:48:14 <sedge> If you're on close to update, you could wait until then to see whether it's worth it
May 23 21:48:38 <sedge> you are more than welcome to move in, yes
May 23 21:48:40 <sedge> and it would be greatly appreciated
May 23 21:48:44 * Dali nods
May 23 21:49:01 <Dali> I'm also checking my contacts, who all believe this is my plan, to see if I can get more WAs.
May 23 21:49:23 <sedge> thanks
May 23 21:49:33 <Dali> I don't want SB back.
May 23 21:53:10 <Dali> Invaders are useful for feeder coups. I hate their Commanders, until we have to break them into doing what we want, but the rest of them are actually decent for following orders.
May 23 21:53:24 <sedge> yeah
May 23 21:53:30 <sedge> FRA will be attempting a liberation tonight
May 23 21:53:36 <Dali> Aye
May 23 21:53:41 <Dali> Frat pretty much let me know.
May 23 21:53:52 <sedge> heh
May 23 21:53:56 <sedge> I should reveal myself and watch them quail in fear
May 23 21:54:19 <Dali> Did you get a tg regarding that?
May 23 21:54:35 <sedge> nope
May 23 21:54:35 <sedge> got other contacts

I make no claims or implications that anyone involved abused their powers as official NS Moderators, Sedge and CG are very careful about keeping that aspect of their gaming separate. This issue is about the security and stability of TRR, nothing else.

You may make as much or little of this as you wish. I will be available for questions, if necessary. My duty is done.

~B

[Dalimbar]

I would just like to note for readers that the above post is factual and accurate, and is not intended to slander anyone, especially the Government of The Rejected Realms, which had nothing to do with this operation. As Biyah mentioned, this was a independent thing that eventually he and I figured out through conversations with Sedge.

[Daynor]

They told me a few minutes before they posted it all over. Shocked to the core. Sedge has to know this would shake my perception of him to the core. I've been defending you and saying all the accusations they make of you're shady actions are lies this whole time. I can't count the number of people I've got to bat against for you Sedge.

The thing that REALLY bothers me, isn't that you did this alone. It's all the other crap people have told me you did for the glory. That all you ever did was do stuff for the glory. That I was a dumby for holding you in the light of a saint. And I would kick and cuss and tell them you were the most honest player I've ever met and that I wanted to be a defender like you one day. Little did I know you were always the self-centered prick that didn't care for the morals you paraded around. The morals I bought into.

I'm disappointed. I'm shocked. And damnit I'm pissed. This post is probably all gibberish because I'm just letting it flow, probably not wise against a Mod. But here it is.

[Improving Wordiness]

I thought there was a rule about mods not being involved in Defender / Invader stuff. I got that wrong?
Assuming the information posted is factual of course.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

I thought there was a rule about mods not being involved in Defender / Invader stuff. I got that wrong?
Assuming the information posted is factual of course.

You have an excessively wide definition of "raider", who gets included next? COPs violators?

[Biyah]

I believe they can do what they want, excepting giving out private ip information to anyone?

[The Bruce]

So essentially, the FRA kicked out Unibot, at the urging of Sedge, because Unibot acted like a defender against Sedge (aka Devonitians), who invaded the South Pacific. Sedge, who is a prominent member of the Rejected Realms Army and the FRA, who invaded the South Pacific and used FRA intelligence against their own organization. The condemnation of Unibot on the basis that the recent crisis in the South Pacific was an “internal” matter and not an invasion of any sort seems to ring a bit hollow now.

I think that the FRA should take it upon themselves and apologize for their conduct in the recent persecution of Unibot. They should take this as an opportunity to do some much needed fence mending now that they know what side of the fence is crooked. I don’t blame the FRA, who had no idea that they were being manipulated this way, but it would go a long way to restoring the stability of your defence alliance to do so.

[Warzone Codger]

Natives have a right to support external person to run their region if they want. Since his backers are natives, at least from my own definition in the commend thread, this changes nothing for me.

(That said, I probably need to consult with my co-sponsors Punk and the TWP on what to do with the commend.. )

[Improving Wordiness]

I thought there was a rule about mods not being involved in Defender / Invader stuff. I got that wrong?
Assuming the information posted is factual of course.

You have an excessively wide definition of "raider", who gets included next? COPs violators?

Tch Klaus you should know I have an excessively wide definition of quite a lot of words.

Now back to the subject at hand

[The Bruce]

The transcript in this thread refers to at least two external endorsers of Sedge (aka Devonitians). Since there are already two, in addition to the interloping invader lead, it’s very possible that there were others too.

Also when endorsement trading with the natives, I’m pretty certain that included in the requests for endorsements wasn’t information about who they were and the fact that they were using those endorsements in an attempted coup of the delegacy. Players seeking the endorsement trading route to a delegacy will say everything but their real motive when seeking to gain endorsements. It’s very rare when a nation is up front about their intent in such a campaign.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

You have an excessively wide definition of "raider", who gets included next? COPs violators?

Tch Klaus you should know I have an excessively wide definition of quite a lot of words.

Now back to the subject at hand

I'll refrain from making any puns about the excessively wide definitions, but only because I'm overwhelmed with possibilities.

As for Sedge being Devotinians, well, I kind of figured he was someone from that group, but sedge would have been my last bet. O_o

[Anime Daisuki]

I won't commend on Sedge being Dev. I'll just quote Joshua's thoughts on those TRR folks who made a big deal out of FRA's defense of TSP's elected government.

[Ardchoille]

I thought there was a rule about mods not being involved in Defender / Invader stuff. I got that wrong?
Assuming the information posted is factual of course.

Nathi and I are allowed to continue RPing. Nerv and Melk, Kat and Arch are allowed to continue arguing in General. Jenrak goes on being one of the terrors of II and Sedge and CG are allowed to continue ... uh, whatever it is they're doing.

The dividing line is that we're not allowed to use information we gained as a mod for activities we undertake as players. Nor are we allowed to use mod tools for play purposes. This means we may have to step back from some things, but for the most part, as Max has said repeatedly, in writing, mods are players too.

[Improving Wordiness]

Thanks for clarifying
Makes sense as you do volunteer your time.

[Frattastan]

[17:47] <+Joshua> Did sedge have a WA in TSP?
[17:48] <@frattastan> He mentioned that.
[17:48] <@frattastan> Unless *he* was Devo
[17:48] <+Joshua> I missed parts of the coup
[17:48] <@Cocodian> haha
[17:48] <+Joshua> lol
[17:48] <@Cocodian> you should put that to them and see how quickly it takes before we're all impeached

[Northern Chittowa]

So essentially, the FRA kicked out Unibot, at the urging of Sedge, because Unibot acted like a defender against Sedge (aka Devonitians), who invaded the South Pacific. Sedge, who is a prominent member of the Rejected Realms Army and the FRA, who invaded the South Pacific and used FRA intelligence against their own organization. The condemnation of Unibot on the basis that the recent crisis in the South Pacific was an “internal” matter and not an invasion of any sort seems to ring a bit hollow now.

I think that the FRA should take it upon themselves and apologize for their conduct in the recent persecution of Unibot. They should take this as an opportunity to do some much needed fence mending now that they know what side of the fence is crooked. I don’t blame the FRA, who had no idea that they were being manipulated this way, but it would go a long way to restoring the stability of your defence alliance to do so.

I didn't vote for the impeachment of Uni based on TSP actions, I voted for the impeachment due to other reasons which need not be explained here.

[Darkesia]

*giggles*

Two of my least favorite players in the game (not you CG) did something I absolutely loved watching! Bravo!
I think the TWP commend of Dev should stay, WzC.

The coup was done inside the time limit stated. The coup supporting propaganda team never allowed themselves to sink into the emotional mire that can turn a coup ugly. The results of the coup were to wake TSP. Perhaps they will avoid falling back to sleep. We can hope.

That this was pulled off by betrayal(s) inside the (new) defender camp, only makes it sweeter and very true to form, imho.

Edit for clarity

[Sedgistan]

In case anyone is disinclined to believe Biyah, I can confirm he is correct in saying that Devonitians was me.

[Cocodian]

[17:47] <+Joshua> Did sedge have a WA in TSP?
[17:48] <@frattastan> He mentioned that.
[17:48] <@frattastan> Unless *he* was Devo
[17:48] <+Joshua> I missed parts of the coup
[17:48] <@Cocodian> haha
[17:48] <+Joshua> lol
[17:48] <@Cocodian> you should put that to them and see how quickly it takes before we're all impeached

Well don't I look stupid now
But just to replace the argument, Fratt did miss out these
:

Edit:

[17:55] <+Joshua> Is there a chance that Devo might have been some unknown player?
[17:56] <@frattastan> An unknown player who takes over a feeder?
[17:56] <@frattastan> And who manage to get help from mods?
[17:56] <@Cocodian> as in one no one has come accross before?....very unlikely
[17:56] <@Cocodian> you don't run a coup without knowing it has a chance of succeeding
[17:56] <+Joshua> True and true
[17:56] <@Cocodian> even though this coup was executed not brilliantly
[17:56] <+Joshua> But, because it is unlikely does not mean it was impossible
[17:56] <@frattastan> Well, he should have asked to unendorse SB.
[17:56] <@Cocodian> oh no, it is possible
[17:57] <+Joshua> I just think it is wise to look at all angles
[17:57] <@frattastan> And provided a new forum, etc., to appeal TSP residents.
[17:58] <@Cocodian> he should have had organised elections from the get go
[17:58] <@Cocodian> then it would be increasingly tough to justify outside intervention
[17:59] <+Joshua> You mean Devo should have organized elections or Bellz?
[17:59] <@frattastan> Devo should have.
[18:00] <@Cocodian> devo
[18:00] <@Cocodian> straight away
[18:00] <@frattastan> So that nobody could have used the 'tyrant' argument.
[18:00] <@frattastan> And asked people to unendorse SB.
[18:00] <@Cocodian> I've done this to ensure that the residents of TSP get a say on their delegate...Im a freedom fighter, I deserve a medal sort of thing
[18:00] <@frattastan> Yep
[18:01] <@Cocodian> so me and fratt could run a coup
[18:01] <@frattastan> Definitely

[TAO the Wanderer]

Sedge has finally proven he is a FRAidier. The NTO, while congratulating Sedge for sounding a wake-up alarm in TSP, reiterates what it has said all along: Sedge claimed a moral high ground as a FRA-operative but had no integrity when he turned that organization into another flavor of invaders and griefers.

[Frattastan]

*screams at Coco*

I could never coup anything! Lies!

[Lordieth]

Bit of a surprise I must admit. I guess a lot of us forget that mods are indeed players too, and perhaps the standard we hold them to clouds our ability to suspect they could grab a puppet and do something like this.

Which just adds fuel to my conspiracy theory that this was all cleverly orchestrated to surge interest in TSP.

What I said about Devon still stands though, mod or no mod

Kudos though, I had an inkling CG was involved, but that was it.

[Todd McCloud]

This shouldn't be too shocking, especially in the outcome. Sedge gets another badge added to his trophy case at the expense of multiple people and organizations. He tries to become a raider and ruin the reputation of a few people at the same time, but he forgets a crucial element of raiding: loose lips sink ships.

Let this be a lesson to all aspiring game players, and any orgs that wish to retain or take him on.

[Rachel Anumia]

Wow, that's cool

[Wickedly evil people]

Nice to see confirmation of my feeling that Sedge was a hypocritical pompous windbag.



Despite that nice work I admired the take down very much.


Eli