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by Surote » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:42 pm
by Chrobalta » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:43 pm
by Lucky Bicycle Works » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:02 pm
Tekania wrote:No surprise. It's more prevalent than what is stated in "Market Share" studies... Since they are based off of OS purchases.... If someone buys a Dell machine with Windows pre-installed, it's counted as a "Windows User" even if they guy wipes it as soon as he opens the box, and installs a *nix on it... Statistics can make anything look good, by manipulating the defining criteria to get the result you want...
by Tekania » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:27 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Hairless Kitten II wrote:Oh yeah, the usual grandmother is again on the party. It seems that ALL Linux users have a 90 year old grandmother. Well, I don't believe you. You would for less if you heard this crap already a million times.
As long as we're speaking of Grandparents, my Grandmother uses Vista and loves it.
by Lucky Bicycle Works » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:45 pm
Tekania wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Hairless Kitten II wrote:Oh yeah, the usual grandmother is again on the party. It seems that ALL Linux users have a 90 year old grandmother. Well, I don't believe you. You would for less if you heard this crap already a million times.
As long as we're speaking of Grandparents, my Grandmother uses Vista and loves it.
No, I don't believe it.. Old people can't use computers... Has no starting crank and too many buttons! /sarcasm
by Coloradostan » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:51 pm
by Tekania » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:19 pm
Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:(snip)
by Tunizcha » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:22 pm
by Lucky Bicycle Works » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:31 pm
by Lord Tothe » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:09 pm
"Why is self-control, autonomy, such a threat to authority? Because the person who controls himself, who is his own master, has no need for an authority to be his master. This, then, renders authority unemployed. What is he to do if he cannot control others? To be sure, he could mind his own business. But that is a fatuous answer, for those who are satisfied to mind their own business do not aspire to become authorities." ~ Thomas SzaszThe Empire of Pretantia wrote:[...] TLDR; welcome to the internet. Bicker or GTFO.
by Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:10 pm
Tekania wrote:That's Linux's strongest point over Windows... It's adaptable into any environment...
by Tekania » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:17 pm
by Tekania » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:22 pm
Lord Tothe wrote:Mac, Windows, Linux... You're all wrong! *gets Tandy 1000 from garage*
Damn - no web access, 640k memory, and a 5-1/4" floppy drive. DOS FTW!!!
by Lord Tothe » Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:27 am
Tekania wrote:Lord Tothe wrote:Mac, Windows, Linux... You're all wrong! *gets Tandy 1000 from garage*
Damn - no web access, 640k memory, and a 5-1/4" floppy drive. DOS FTW!!!
You must have upgraded its RAM... Tandy 1000 shipped with only 128k
I had one as well In fact... It was my 4th computer, behind a C128, a C64 and a TI99-4/A...
It was subsequently followed by a Tandy 1000SL/2, a Tandy Sensation, and a Digital Starrion 919 (which was the last desktop I owned that I didn't build myself).
"Why is self-control, autonomy, such a threat to authority? Because the person who controls himself, who is his own master, has no need for an authority to be his master. This, then, renders authority unemployed. What is he to do if he cannot control others? To be sure, he could mind his own business. But that is a fatuous answer, for those who are satisfied to mind their own business do not aspire to become authorities." ~ Thomas SzaszThe Empire of Pretantia wrote:[...] TLDR; welcome to the internet. Bicker or GTFO.
by Hairless Kitten II » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:51 am
Rejistania wrote:No, it will reduce the amount of market share because the OS would no longer work as the developers expect it. Usability experts are people who propagate one form of superstition and assume that the user is a moron. I am not a moron and would prefer twm over a ''usable'' GNOME.
Rejistania wrote:
I know quite a bit about GUI design and I know that randomly changing screens violates the criteria of working acording to expectations.
by Hairless Kitten II » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:07 am
Tekania wrote:Hairless Kitten II wrote:1. Sure, a lot of hardware simply doesn't work with Linux. And it's not only exotic stuff. I'll be silent about video drivers, video codecs, wireless stuff and just bugs... And if something goes wrong with Linux then it's pretty well wrong.
Most hardware works. Including most video hardware. There's not that many players in the Video Hardware world anymore... Anything from AMD/ATI, nVidia or Intel most certainly works.
Video Codecs, only have one word for you Gstreamer...
Wireless? Don't have any wireless issues on my laptop... Even using an Atheros based card.
You're proving to me you have no present-day experience with Linux... You're out-dated.Hairless Kitten II wrote:2. Well why aren't we still using Lotus 123, dBase or WordPerfect? They were #1 once, they were the giants in their disciplines. They were not small little companies with no resources, no money or no people.
People are still using WordPerfect(No matter how much it sucks). Still being installed on NEW machines from the factory. I just uninstalled it from a new machine that was purchased for a client last week.Hairless Kitten II wrote:Oh yeah, the usual grandmother is again on the party. It seems that ALL Linux users have a 90 year old grandmother. Well, I don't believe you. You would for less if you heard this crap already a million times.
Must be because my 90 year old grandmother is more tech-savy than you. People who do not have a pre-conceived notion of doing things only "The MS Windows Way" do not have the same issues with Linux when starting fresh... It's not hard for someone to pick up... Hell people have serious issues with MS Word 2k7 who have been using Word 2k3, xp, 2k, 97..etc for years... It changed, and now they have to go about doing the same stuff they were doing before in a different way... And people hate change...Hairless Kitten II wrote:Perception doesn't have to be false. I'm rather good in computers. I studied computer science and I'm having 20 years of professional experience. And I do find Linux not user-friendly. That doesn't mean it hasn't user-friendly parts and that doesn't mean that Windows or Mac are perfect either.
Well, considering you're bringing up linux arguments which are out-dated, I wonder if your experience itself isn't 20 years worth, but 20 years old...
by UNIverseVERSE » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:14 am
Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:Browser type is legitimately measured that way, because many sites work better if they know your browser type, so users have a good reason not to conceal it. And the browser is used to visit sites, so as long as they're polling a decent cross-section of sites they do get an accurate measurement of what proportion of users use each brand of browser.
by Lucky Bicycle Works » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:34 am
Heronfield wrote:everyone seems very angry about Linux in a Mac or Microsoft thread?
by Pure Metal » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:59 am
by Lucky Bicycle Works » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:59 am
UNIverseVERSE wrote:Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:Browser type is legitimately measured that way, because many sites work better if they know your browser type, so users have a good reason not to conceal it. And the browser is used to visit sites, so as long as they're polling a decent cross-section of sites they do get an accurate measurement of what proportion of users use each brand of browser.
Not necessarily. The 'sites work better if they know your browser type' argument cuts both ways. In one direction, they can better compensate for quirks (read major flaws) in support of standards (IE). In the other, it's still the case that sites will check what your browser claims to be, and prevent it from having access if it isn't a certain one (IE). Quite often, however, the site will still load if you change your user-agent to get past this stage*. As a result, there are a relatively large number of users who will report their browser as something like "IE on Windows XP" to make sure that they aren't kicked off sites.
*The most extreme example I've done is telling elinks to report itself as Firefox 3. Facebook then loaded and let me use it (with some minor issues).
by Lucky Bicycle Works » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:06 am
by The Alma Mater » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:08 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:You don't have a 90 years old grandmother who's using Linux. You know it, I know it.
You lie a lot (like that companies have to pay an OS tax to MS)
by The Alma Mater » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:27 am
Heronfield wrote:everyone seems very angry about Linux in a Mac or Microsoft thread?
by Pure Metal » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:02 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Well... if grandma has a netbook - you know, those extremely basic subnotebooks that are becoming more popular by the day...
by The Alma Mater » Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:11 am
Pure Metal wrote:you know, i actually quite want one of those, but i'm finding it hard to convince myself to get one considering how useless it'll be compared to my XPS 1730 laptop. the battery life would be better, but that's about it, and i have mobile broadband on this thing as well. but they're all small and cool and stuff! *wants new toy*
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