by Hiddenrun » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:28 am
by Virtud Tierra » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:31 am
by Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:33 am
by Free Soviets » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:35 am
Hiddenrun wrote:If you can't afford it, you shouldn't have it.
by Post-Unity Terra » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:36 am
Hiddenrun wrote:Where do you think this notion came from? This lack of self-sufficiency? Are children being too coddled by their parents? Is it wider social conditioning, top down? For those of you living on the public teat, what makes you think you should be doing so?
by Hiddenrun » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:38 am
Fartsniffage wrote:But I care about you Hidderun and I happily pay for people like you to have access to healthcare.
by Hiddenrun » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:39 am
Post-Unity Terra wrote:A belief that government should work for the good of those it governs, rather than purely for wealth itself.
by Post-Unity Terra » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:41 am
Hiddenrun wrote:Post-Unity Terra wrote:A belief that government should work for the good of those it governs, rather than purely for wealth itself.
The good of who? The government takes from those who have, and gives to those too lazy to get it themselves. That works for the lazy, but not so well for those of us who actually earn our money.
by Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:43 am
Hiddenrun wrote:That's your problem. I don't need your money, but if you're foolish enough to give it to me, there you go. Requiring me to do the same doesn't make sense..
by Ravea » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:43 am
Hiddenrun wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:But I care about you Hidderun and I happily pay for people like you to have access to healthcare.
That's your problem. I don't need your money, but if you're foolish enough to give it to me, there you go. Requiring me to do the same doesn't make sense.
Excuse me?
If you want something, then find the means to acquire it yourself. It's fairly simple. Even the worst paying job in America will allow you to eat, clothe yourself in the most basic of ways and access some sort of shelter. If you desire goods or services beyond that, then work harder.
by Virtud Tierra » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:44 am
by Megaloria » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:45 am
Ravea wrote:Hiddenrun wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:But I care about you Hidderun and I happily pay for people like you to have access to healthcare.
That's your problem. I don't need your money, but if you're foolish enough to give it to me, there you go. Requiring me to do the same doesn't make sense.
Excuse me?
If you want something, then find the means to acquire it yourself. It's fairly simple. Even the worst paying job in America will allow you to eat, clothe yourself in the most basic of ways and access some sort of shelter. If you desire goods or services beyond that, then work harder.
What if you physically can't?
by Post-Unity Terra » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:45 am
Ravea wrote:Hiddenrun wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:But I care about you Hidderun and I happily pay for people like you to have access to healthcare.
That's your problem. I don't need your money, but if you're foolish enough to give it to me, there you go. Requiring me to do the same doesn't make sense.
Excuse me?
If you want something, then find the means to acquire it yourself. It's fairly simple. Even the worst paying job in America will allow you to eat, clothe yourself in the most basic of ways and access some sort of shelter. If you desire goods or services beyond that, then work harder.
What if you physically can't?
by SD_Film Artists » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:46 am
by Free Soviets » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:46 am
Hiddenrun wrote:
Excuse me?
If you want something, then find the means to acquire it yourself. It's fairly simple. Even the worst paying job in America will allow you to eat, clothe yourself in the most basic of ways and access some sort of shelter. If you desire goods or services beyond that, then work harder.
by Hiddenrun » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:46 am
Post-Unity Terra wrote:Assuming all those who are poor are lazy, which is utter nonsense, though I'm sure you have a number of anecdotes to prove what you no doubt think is a killer point.
" Known as the “Shameless” family among horrified neighbours, the McFaddens “boast” three generations of adults who are not working.
All ten members of the clan share a council house and live off benefits amounting to around £32,000 a year. And very happy they are, too.
“The only problem is,” she [Sue Mcfadden] says without a hint of irony, “that we’re living in a three-bedroom council house, which is ridiculous.
“I’m asking the council for a ten-bedroom home for all of us. We need more space. It’s awful sometimes when all the children are squabbling. Still, we do have a big TV with Sky, but we need some relaxation.”
But the really disturbing aspect of the McFaddens’ lifestyle is that they are far from alone. Six million Britons are living in homes where no one has a job and “benefits are a way of life”, according to a report by MPs. Shock figures also revealed that 20,000 households in Britain are pocketing more than £30,000 a year in state benefits.
With thousands of children growing up in families where their parents and grandparents have never worked, a senior government adviser warned this week of a “terrible legacy” of youngsters who had no expectation of ever getting a job.
by Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:47 am
SD_Film Artists wrote:The National Health Service (or your "socialized medicine') is not a boob job, it's saving our citizen's lives- just as the Police and Fire Brigade does. That's why it has had cross-party support for decades. I still don't understand why it's seen as far-left extremism in the US.
by Hiddenrun » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:47 am
Free Soviets wrote:that does not demonstrate the truth of your claim. prove to me that one should not have access to things they can't afford, because i don't believe you.
by Post-Unity Terra » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:47 am
SD_Film Artists wrote:The National Health Service (or your "socialized medicine') is not a boob job, it's saving our citizen's lives- just as the Police and Fire Brigade does. That's why it has had cross-party support for decades. I still don't understand why it's seen as far-left extremism in the US.
by Classical Liberal » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:48 am
Virtud Tierra wrote:If you are working class and you get an unexpected and costly illness, there is simply no way you are not going to be fianically ruined by it.
Say a guy and his wife with highschool eduation work 40 hours a week, make 800$ a week between the two of them, and their goddamn 4 year old has leukemia. The treatments run into the hundreds of thousands and the kid dies anyways.
Thats some serious hardship that they could never have predicted or have been prepared for. Their insurance companies refuse to pay for it and they spend the rest of their lives working off interest on their debt.
Seems like their could be a more elegant arrangement then that.
Chetssaland wrote:*points at fat, stupid, arrogant guy and democrat senator "Its your fault everyone hates us."
by Post-Unity Terra » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:49 am
Classical Liberal wrote:Virtud Tierra wrote:If you are working class and you get an unexpected and costly illness, there is simply no way you are not going to be fianically ruined by it.
Say a guy and his wife with highschool eduation work 40 hours a week, make 800$ a week between the two of them, and their goddamn 4 year old has leukemia. The treatments run into the hundreds of thousands and the kid dies anyways.
Thats some serious hardship that they could never have predicted or have been prepared for. Their insurance companies refuse to pay for it and they spend the rest of their lives working off interest on their debt.
Seems like their could be a more elegant arrangement then that.
Unfortunate; yes, deserving of sympathy; yes, deserving of having that footed by the taxpayers; no.
by Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:49 am
Classical Liberal wrote:Unfortunate; yes, deserving of sympathy; yes, deserving of having that footed by the taxpayers; no.
by Classical Liberal » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:50 am
Post-Unity Terra wrote:So it boils down to "How sad. Fuck you all the same."
Chetssaland wrote:*points at fat, stupid, arrogant guy and democrat senator "Its your fault everyone hates us."
by Post-Unity Terra » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:50 am
by Classical Liberal » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:50 am
Chetssaland wrote:*points at fat, stupid, arrogant guy and democrat senator "Its your fault everyone hates us."
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