I'm just kidding.
I've never touched Plan 9.
Advertisement
by Beachchairs » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:02 pm
by Beachchairs » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:18 pm
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Why would we download, install and tweak Linux and spend weeks of our time to make it work, just to see...porn!
I don't get that.
by Tekania » Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:05 pm
UNIverseVERSE wrote:a) 'root@hobytla# apt-get install foo' (or graphical installer of choice)
b) 'user@hobytla$ foo' (or graphical menu of choice)
For c), I have programs open now that have been running for over three months. Without reliability issues.
Edit: Yes, my system is called hobytla -- it's a very diminutive computer, so I thought naming it with a word for 'hobbit' was appropriate. It's running Debian -- your distro of choice may have a different package manager, and so the first command would be changed as appropriate.
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:19 pm
Dakini wrote:SD_Film Artists wrote:I'm reading this increasingly large thead and I'm still none-the-wiser on why a Mac has more going for it than just Final Cut Pro and skilled PR guys.
Depending what you do, there technically are a lot of potentially useful applications. I know people who make a lot of use out of GarageBand and iPhoto (there's some face recognition software that picks out individuals in the photos) for instance. I like it because it's unix based so when I do things on the command line it's the same as linux (and a lot of things are easier to do on the command line) and I can also ssh more reliably to my work computer. MacTeX is also very handy for writing LaTeX documents and there's a program called Papers that's apparently very good for organizing academic articles stored on one's computer (I haven't got around to trying it, but a number of my friends swear by it).
by NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:24 pm
Tekania wrote:UNIverseVERSE wrote:a) 'root@hobytla# apt-get install foo' (or graphical installer of choice)
b) 'user@hobytla$ foo' (or graphical menu of choice)
For c), I have programs open now that have been running for over three months. Without reliability issues.
Edit: Yes, my system is called hobytla -- it's a very diminutive computer, so I thought naming it with a word for 'hobbit' was appropriate. It's running Debian -- your distro of choice may have a different package manager, and so the first command would be changed as appropriate.
Let's also not forget that Ubuntu/Debian and RedHat/Fedora package managers can be plugged into different repositories... Which means updates come down for EVERY piece of software (including Java, Mozilla and Adobe products)... As opposed to MS Windows Update which only updates stuff from, well, Microsoft...
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I hate all "spin doctoring". I don't mind honest disagreement and it's possible that people are expressing honest opinions, but spin doctoring is so pervasive, I gotta ask if I suspect it.
by Tekania » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:30 pm
NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ wrote:Tekania wrote:UNIverseVERSE wrote:a) 'root@hobytla# apt-get install foo' (or graphical installer of choice)
b) 'user@hobytla$ foo' (or graphical menu of choice)
For c), I have programs open now that have been running for over three months. Without reliability issues.
Edit: Yes, my system is called hobytla -- it's a very diminutive computer, so I thought naming it with a word for 'hobbit' was appropriate. It's running Debian -- your distro of choice may have a different package manager, and so the first command would be changed as appropriate.
Let's also not forget that Ubuntu/Debian and RedHat/Fedora package managers can be plugged into different repositories... Which means updates come down for EVERY piece of software (including Java, Mozilla and Adobe products)... As opposed to MS Windows Update which only updates stuff from, well, Microsoft...
Windows update will also update your drivers.
by NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:52 pm
Tekania wrote:NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ wrote:Tekania wrote:UNIverseVERSE wrote:a) 'root@hobytla# apt-get install foo' (or graphical installer of choice)
b) 'user@hobytla$ foo' (or graphical menu of choice)
For c), I have programs open now that have been running for over three months. Without reliability issues.
Edit: Yes, my system is called hobytla -- it's a very diminutive computer, so I thought naming it with a word for 'hobbit' was appropriate. It's running Debian -- your distro of choice may have a different package manager, and so the first command would be changed as appropriate.
Let's also not forget that Ubuntu/Debian and RedHat/Fedora package managers can be plugged into different repositories... Which means updates come down for EVERY piece of software (including Java, Mozilla and Adobe products)... As opposed to MS Windows Update which only updates stuff from, well, Microsoft...
Windows update will also update your drivers.
Oh yeah, and if you're really lucky, your computer may even boot without a blue-screen after that.
Drivers on Windows Update are drivers written by MS for hardware they don't even own...
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I hate all "spin doctoring". I don't mind honest disagreement and it's possible that people are expressing honest opinions, but spin doctoring is so pervasive, I gotta ask if I suspect it.
by Treznor » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:08 pm
by Tekania » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:22 pm
Treznor wrote:
If I download VLC on my Windows box, I have to reinstall it every time there's an update. Fortunately VLC will tell me whenever updates are available, but most software won't do that. Even then, I still have to go through the install wizard every time so it uninstalls and reinstalls.
However, if I install VLC from the repository on my Ubuntu box, it updates itself from the repository whenever there's an update. I don't even have to be aware of the upgrade process if I don't want to.
Tell me again which one is more user-friendly?
by NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:34 pm
Treznor wrote:If I download VLC on my Windows box, I have to reinstall it every time there's an update. Fortunately VLC will tell me whenever updates are available, but most software won't do that. Even then, I still have to go through the install wizard every time so it uninstalls and reinstalls.
However, if I install VLC from the repository on my Ubuntu box, it updates itself from the repository whenever there's an update. I don't even have to be aware of the upgrade process if I don't want to.
Tell me again which one is more user-friendly?
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I hate all "spin doctoring". I don't mind honest disagreement and it's possible that people are expressing honest opinions, but spin doctoring is so pervasive, I gotta ask if I suspect it.
by Pure Metal » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:59 pm
The_pantless_hero wrote:Treznor wrote:
What's easier? Trying to figure out what the install wizard or asking you, or just telling the computer to install the software you want? You'd be amazed how many calls are fielded by Help Desks asking for clarification on installation wizards. Average users expect computers to blow up on them if they push the wrong button, and that's largely due to Microsoft's architecture. The Blue Screen of Death isn't just a pretty phrase.
When was the last time anyone got a BSOD from normal computer use? 1999? Maybe help desks should tell people to update their computers from Windows 98.
Oh no, what is the install Wizard asking me here: "Would you like to put a shortcut on the desktop?"
Yeah, that's a way harder option than "something_or_other-1.8.0.1" - wtf does that do? Hell if I know.
Treznor wrote:That's the biggest reason I run a variant of Ubuntu. The standard repositories have software I never even imagined existed, and for additional third party stuff it's a simple matter of adding another one. Pretty much every open source repository has a .deb build for Debian/Ubuntu installation. The last time I got stuck in "dependency hell" was when I was using Fedora 4. I last dealt with DLL hell in Windows a couple of years ago.
They're both getting better, but Windows insistence on bundling Microsoft software straight to the kernel is still a massive security risk.
New Kereptica wrote:PuTTY is indeed rather great.
Treznor wrote:
If I download VLC on my Windows box, I have to reinstall it every time there's an update. Fortunately VLC will tell me whenever updates are available, but most software won't do that. Even then, I still have to go through the install wizard every time so it uninstalls and reinstalls.
However, if I install VLC from the repository on my Ubuntu box, it updates itself from the repository whenever there's an update. I don't even have to be aware of the upgrade process if I don't want to.
Tell me again which one is more user-friendly?
by Intangelon » Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:58 pm
Great Balt State wrote:The_pantless_hero wrote:My problem now is that you are obviously some sort of fanboy tool.
this is also my problem with Macs.
Otherwise, it would just another type of pc, just one not as universal as windows, but like linux server or playstation console.
But Nooooo, mac users have to go and worship their computers...
... if i think about it then the problem is same as with any religion. they are fine, until the moment when they try to persuade that their way is better than others
by Disposablepuppetland » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:26 am
Pure Metal wrote:when you run into problems on nix, that's when things get really un- user-friendly, however. but then fixing problems on Windows isn't often very user-friendly either, especially when you're into editing the registry and stuff. most users don't want to touch any of that stuff with a 10-foot barge pole, and if people consider most distros of linux to be as non-friendly as that, then they're never going to try it.
now, i'm not sure about most people's experiences, but Ubuntu, for me, has been very mixed - installing and using for basic tasks, fine. installing basic software, fine. but stray outside of something that's not covered by a pretty GUI or nice help file, and it immediatley jumps back into stereotypical "scary linux" mode. personally, i've enjoyed going back to the command line since using nix, but most users are scared of this, and its one of the reasons i'm not convinced nix (or, at least, Ubuntu) is totally ready for the mainstream - if you use your PC for basic tasks (web browsing, photos, music, etc), then its fine. but with anything else, Windows does hold your hand a bit more. and maybe OS X holds your hand even more again (i don't know). of course there's an arguement that computer users should know more about some of the techy aspects of their computers, but that doesn't stop most users wanting it to 'just work' here and now (no wonder Apple has been pretty successful with that slogan...)
/rant (not sure what my point was, tbh...)
by Beachchairs » Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:30 am
Tekania wrote:NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ wrote:Tekania wrote:UNIverseVERSE wrote:a) 'root@hobytla# apt-get install foo' (or graphical installer of choice)
b) 'user@hobytla$ foo' (or graphical menu of choice)
For c), I have programs open now that have been running for over three months. Without reliability issues.
Edit: Yes, my system is called hobytla -- it's a very diminutive computer, so I thought naming it with a word for 'hobbit' was appropriate. It's running Debian -- your distro of choice may have a different package manager, and so the first command would be changed as appropriate.
Let's also not forget that Ubuntu/Debian and RedHat/Fedora package managers can be plugged into different repositories... Which means updates come down for EVERY piece of software (including Java, Mozilla and Adobe products)... As opposed to MS Windows Update which only updates stuff from, well, Microsoft...
Windows update will also update your drivers.
Oh yeah, and if you're really lucky, your computer may even boot without a blue-screen after that.
Drivers on Windows Update are drivers written by MS for hardware they don't even own...
by Barringtonia » Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:45 am
SD_Film Artists wrote:That theory about Apple's security being better is interesting though. I used to think that Macs didn't get viruses 'because not many people use them'- "no one would rob a homeless person". But it's not like Macs are as rare as Linux systems.
Disposablepuppetland wrote:I think you've made a very good point there. For an average user, fixing Linux is likely to be impossible. (this may or may not apply to OSX as well, but most Mac users I know just send it back to the shop for repair and won't try to fix it themselves anyway)
On Windows, most problems can be fixed with a simple list of instructions from a web site. Even using regedit is not that bad for a basic user, provided the instructions are clear.
by Treznor » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:25 am
Disposablepuppetland wrote:Pure Metal wrote:when you run into problems on nix, that's when things get really un- user-friendly, however. but then fixing problems on Windows isn't often very user-friendly either, especially when you're into editing the registry and stuff. most users don't want to touch any of that stuff with a 10-foot barge pole, and if people consider most distros of linux to be as non-friendly as that, then they're never going to try it.
now, i'm not sure about most people's experiences, but Ubuntu, for me, has been very mixed - installing and using for basic tasks, fine. installing basic software, fine. but stray outside of something that's not covered by a pretty GUI or nice help file, and it immediatley jumps back into stereotypical "scary linux" mode. personally, i've enjoyed going back to the command line since using nix, but most users are scared of this, and its one of the reasons i'm not convinced nix (or, at least, Ubuntu) is totally ready for the mainstream - if you use your PC for basic tasks (web browsing, photos, music, etc), then its fine. but with anything else, Windows does hold your hand a bit more. and maybe OS X holds your hand even more again (i don't know). of course there's an arguement that computer users should know more about some of the techy aspects of their computers, but that doesn't stop most users wanting it to 'just work' here and now (no wonder Apple has been pretty successful with that slogan...)
/rant (not sure what my point was, tbh...)
I think you've made a very good point there. For an average user, fixing Linux is likely to be impossible. (this may or may not apply to OSX as well, but most Mac users I know just send it back to the shop for repair and won't try to fix it themselves anyway)
On Windows, most problems can be fixed with a simple list of instructions from a web site. Even using regedit is not that bad for a basic user, provided the instructions are clear.
On Linux that simply isn't the case, because you're going to need to edit some text files, and most help on the web will tell you to use Vi, because they can pretty much guarantee Vi will be on your system.
If you've never come across it before, you cannot just start using Vi without a manual. You can't even quit out of Vi without a manual. For a basic user Vi is an unassailable cliff of a learning curve.
Now there are plenty of other text editors for Linux and some of them are no harder to use than Notepad, but unfortunately Vi seems to be the assumed default. That's a major problem for basic users and people trying to learn Linux.
by Tekania » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:27 am
Disposablepuppetland wrote:[
I think you've made a very good point there. For an average user, fixing Linux is likely to be impossible. (this may or may not apply to OSX as well, but most Mac users I know just send it back to the shop for repair and won't try to fix it themselves anyway)
On Windows, most problems can be fixed with a simple list of instructions from a web site. Even using regedit is not that bad for a basic user, provided the instructions are clear.
On Linux that simply isn't the case, because you're going to need to edit some text files, and most help on the web will tell you to use Vi, because they can pretty much guarantee Vi will be on your system.
If you've never come across it before, you cannot just start using Vi without a manual. You can't even quit out of Vi without a manual. For a basic user Vi is an unassailable cliff of a learning curve.
Now there are plenty of other text editors for Linux and some of them are no harder to use than Notepad, but unfortunately Vi seems to be the assumed default. That's a major problem for basic users and people trying to learn Linux.
by Hairless Kitten II » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:30 am
Treznor wrote:Disposablepuppetland wrote:Pure Metal wrote:when you run into problems on nix, that's when things get really un- user-friendly, however. but then fixing problems on Windows isn't often very user-friendly either, especially when you're into editing the registry and stuff. most users don't want to touch any of that stuff with a 10-foot barge pole, and if people consider most distros of linux to be as non-friendly as that, then they're never going to try it.
now, i'm not sure about most people's experiences, but Ubuntu, for me, has been very mixed - installing and using for basic tasks, fine. installing basic software, fine. but stray outside of something that's not covered by a pretty GUI or nice help file, and it immediatley jumps back into stereotypical "scary linux" mode. personally, i've enjoyed going back to the command line since using nix, but most users are scared of this, and its one of the reasons i'm not convinced nix (or, at least, Ubuntu) is totally ready for the mainstream - if you use your PC for basic tasks (web browsing, photos, music, etc), then its fine. but with anything else, Windows does hold your hand a bit more. and maybe OS X holds your hand even more again (i don't know). of course there's an arguement that computer users should know more about some of the techy aspects of their computers, but that doesn't stop most users wanting it to 'just work' here and now (no wonder Apple has been pretty successful with that slogan...)
/rant (not sure what my point was, tbh...)
I think you've made a very good point there. For an average user, fixing Linux is likely to be impossible. (this may or may not apply to OSX as well, but most Mac users I know just send it back to the shop for repair and won't try to fix it themselves anyway)
On Windows, most problems can be fixed with a simple list of instructions from a web site. Even using regedit is not that bad for a basic user, provided the instructions are clear.
On Linux that simply isn't the case, because you're going to need to edit some text files, and most help on the web will tell you to use Vi, because they can pretty much guarantee Vi will be on your system.
If you've never come across it before, you cannot just start using Vi without a manual. You can't even quit out of Vi without a manual. For a basic user Vi is an unassailable cliff of a learning curve.
Now there are plenty of other text editors for Linux and some of them are no harder to use than Notepad, but unfortunately Vi seems to be the assumed default. That's a major problem for basic users and people trying to learn Linux.
Since you were kind enough to reply to the section I most wanted to reply to, I'll reply to this instead.
"Average" users don't fix their own computers. "Average" users scream for their local computer guru when they think they have a problem, whether or not they're on Windows, Mac, Linux or an abacus. Looking up solutions for problems on Linux is about the same as looking them up for Windows -- except I'm less likely to hit a "subscribe with your credit card for this solution" site for Linux problems.
As for "vi," while many techs will use "vi" and recommend it, many also point out the availability of GUI-based solutions (like vim). Someone who is actually taking the plunge to fix their own computer instead of screaming for the guru will eventually figure this out if they're serious about it.
I've set up Windows systems for people, and invariably I'm called in to deal with some problem a few months later because somebody installed something stupid or deleted something they shouldn't have. I've set up Linux for a few people and I never hear from them except socially. "How's that box working for you?" "Pretty good. Kinda weird, at first, but I got used to it." "No problems? Doing everything you need?" "It is SO weird not running anti-virus. I keep thinking I need to check for updates."
by Tekania » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:If a Windows luser his computer would fail, he will find an 'expert' easily.
If a Linux luser his computer would fail then he will have to search about 100 times harder to find an 'expert'.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operati ... px?qprid=8
by Treznor » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:22 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:If a Windows luser his computer would fail, he will find an 'expert' easily.
If a Linux luser his computer would fail then he will have to search about 100 times harder to find an 'expert'.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operati ... px?qprid=8
by Disposablepuppetland » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:08 am
Tekania wrote:Disposablepuppetland wrote:I think you've made a very good point there. For an average user, fixing Linux is likely to be impossible. (this may or may not apply to OSX as well, but most Mac users I know just send it back to the shop for repair and won't try to fix it themselves anyway)
On Windows, most problems can be fixed with a simple list of instructions from a web site. Even using regedit is not that bad for a basic user, provided the instructions are clear.
On Linux that simply isn't the case, because you're going to need to edit some text files, and most help on the web will tell you to use Vi, because they can pretty much guarantee Vi will be on your system.
If you've never come across it before, you cannot just start using Vi without a manual. You can't even quit out of Vi without a manual. For a basic user Vi is an unassailable cliff of a learning curve.
Now there are plenty of other text editors for Linux and some of them are no harder to use than Notepad, but unfortunately Vi seems to be the assumed default. That's a major problem for basic users and people trying to learn Linux.
I really hate to have to say this, but if you don't know there are other text editors, you probably shouldn't be trying to fix the problem yourself. And if vi is an "unassailable cliff of a learning curve" with such complex commands as ":save" and ":q" the person in question is probably too stupid to do anything past playing Solitaire (Assuming their can figure out how to open it without drooling on themselves first)... It's the same type of crowd who opened up Word 2k7 and went ape-shit... They move stuff, and suddenly it's an unassailable cliff. Not because its hard to figure out; just the people aren't capable of independent thought...
by Treznor » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:25 am
Disposablepuppetland wrote:Tekania wrote:Disposablepuppetland wrote:I think you've made a very good point there. For an average user, fixing Linux is likely to be impossible. (this may or may not apply to OSX as well, but most Mac users I know just send it back to the shop for repair and won't try to fix it themselves anyway)
On Windows, most problems can be fixed with a simple list of instructions from a web site. Even using regedit is not that bad for a basic user, provided the instructions are clear.
On Linux that simply isn't the case, because you're going to need to edit some text files, and most help on the web will tell you to use Vi, because they can pretty much guarantee Vi will be on your system.
If you've never come across it before, you cannot just start using Vi without a manual. You can't even quit out of Vi without a manual. For a basic user Vi is an unassailable cliff of a learning curve.
Now there are plenty of other text editors for Linux and some of them are no harder to use than Notepad, but unfortunately Vi seems to be the assumed default. That's a major problem for basic users and people trying to learn Linux.
I really hate to have to say this, but if you don't know there are other text editors, you probably shouldn't be trying to fix the problem yourself. And if vi is an "unassailable cliff of a learning curve" with such complex commands as ":save" and ":q" the person in question is probably too stupid to do anything past playing Solitaire (Assuming their can figure out how to open it without drooling on themselves first)... It's the same type of crowd who opened up Word 2k7 and went ape-shit... They move stuff, and suddenly it's an unassailable cliff. Not because its hard to figure out; just the people aren't capable of independent thought...
And this highlights another problem that tends to be more prevalent with Linux than any other platform. The attitude among many of the more knowledgeable users that they are geniuses and everyone else is so stupid they shouldn't be allowed to even switch on a computer, let alone use one.
Computers should be easy to fix. Most configuration problems are fairly straightforward to resolve if the software is designed in a clear and logical manner, and you have appropriate tools to make the changes. Unfortunately Linux doesn't do well in either of these areas. (and by 'appropriate' I mean 'suitably easy to use', not just whether it can do the job or not)
Now I'm not suggesting that Windows' design is completely clear and logical, but the typical tools used to diagnose and solve a problem (notepad, regedit, event viewer, msconfig, etc.) are.
by Disposablepuppetland » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:48 am
Treznor wrote:Disposablepuppetland wrote:And this highlights another problem that tends to be more prevalent with Linux than any other platform. The attitude among many of the more knowledgeable users that they are geniuses and everyone else is so stupid they shouldn't be allowed to even switch on a computer, let alone use one.
Computers should be easy to fix. Most configuration problems are fairly straightforward to resolve if the software is designed in a clear and logical manner, and you have appropriate tools to make the changes. Unfortunately Linux doesn't do well in either of these areas. (and by 'appropriate' I mean 'suitably easy to use', not just whether it can do the job or not)
Now I'm not suggesting that Windows' design is completely clear and logical, but the typical tools used to diagnose and solve a problem (notepad, regedit, event viewer, msconfig, etc.) are.
Aaand here we have a common fallacy promoted by Microsoft. The Linux tools to resolve problems are just as straightforward as Windows tools. If you think digging through /etc is any more confusing than digging through regedit, you are sadly mistaken. The difference is that people have been trained to think of Windows as user-friendly, and Linux as not. Current Linux tools are, if anything, more user-friendly than Windows but people believe it isn't because they never actually try it for themselves. Some, when they do, give up because it simply isn't Windows.
Well, of course not. It's Linux system. You wouldn't expect a Chevy engine to be built the same way as a Toyota, would you? An expert in Chevy engines might be better at figuring out a Toyota engine than someone not familiar with any engines, but you're still going to have to adjust to the different environment. Why should troubleshooting Linux be the same as troubleshooting Windows? It's a matter of learning the differences, not giving up because it doesn't conform to your expectations.
by The_pantless_hero » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:54 am
Treznor wrote:If I download VLC on my Windows box, I have to reinstall it every time there's an update. Fortunately VLC will tell me whenever updates are available, but most software won't do that. Even then, I still have to go through the install wizard every time so it uninstalls and reinstalls.
However, if I install VLC from the repository on my Ubuntu box, it updates itself from the repository whenever there's an update. I don't even have to be aware of the upgrade process if I don't want to.
Tell me again which one is more user-friendly?
Bottle wrote:Equality is a slippery slope, people, and if you give it to the gays you have to give it to the polygamists and if you give it to the polygamists you have to give it to the serial dog molesters and if you give it to the serial dog molesters you have to give it to the machine fetishists and the next thing you know you're being tied up by a trio of polygamist lesbian powerbooks and you can't get out because the safety word is case sensistive!
by Treznor » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:55 am
Disposablepuppetland wrote:Treznor wrote:Aaand here we have a common fallacy promoted by Microsoft. The Linux tools to resolve problems are just as straightforward as Windows tools. If you think digging through /etc is any more confusing than digging through regedit, you are sadly mistaken. The difference is that people have been trained to think of Windows as user-friendly, and Linux as not. Current Linux tools are, if anything, more user-friendly than Windows but people believe it isn't because they never actually try it for themselves. Some, when they do, give up because it simply isn't Windows.
Well, of course not. It's Linux system. You wouldn't expect a Chevy engine to be built the same way as a Toyota, would you? An expert in Chevy engines might be better at figuring out a Toyota engine than someone not familiar with any engines, but you're still going to have to adjust to the different environment. Why should troubleshooting Linux be the same as troubleshooting Windows? It's a matter of learning the differences, not giving up because it doesn't conform to your expectations.
You're confusing the tool with the underlying design. I didn't suggest the the registry itself was straightforward. I said the tool 'regedit' was straightforward.
I actually think storing the config as text files is a better design than the registry (although /etc could really do with more consistency), but the tools - notepad and regedit, are much more straightforward than vi.
Advertisement
Users browsing this forum: Emotional Support Crocodile, Ifreann, Likhinia, Plan Neonie, Tiami
Advertisement