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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:25 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:I have a solution to the national debt, but it is drastic. Partition the country. Then the national debt becomes a non-existent debt of a non-existent Union. And then the lefties can have their damned social safety net and spend their own taxes on it instead of the average, hard-working, middle-class and upper-middle-class taxpayers' money. Oh, wait, they are only interesting in spending other people's money, and then complaining that Bush let some of them keep more of it instead of donating to the collective.

Sorry, but not interested in your idea of "sharing the wealth", comrade. :lol2: :clap:

Do I have to put on the goddamn blue uniform?
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Postby Late Republican Rome » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:26 pm

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Late Republican Rome wrote:I have a solution to the national debt, but it is drastic. Partition the country. Then the national debt becomes a non-existent debt of a non-existent Union. And then the lefties can have their damned social safety net and spend their own taxes on it instead of the average, hard-working, middle-class and upper-middle-class taxpayers' money. Oh, wait, they are only interesting in spending other people's money, and then complaining that Bush let some of them keep more of it instead of donating to the collective.

Sorry, but not interested in your idea of "sharing the wealth", comrade. :lol2: :clap:

Do I have to put on the goddamn blue uniform?


Only if I get to put on the gray. :rofl:

But I don't have time to re-enact the Civil War. Just to assert the rights of Man under natural law, including the right to secede.
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:26 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Do I have to put on the goddamn blue uniform?


Only if I get to put on the gray. :rofl:

Butternut, they wore butternut.
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Postby Free Soviets » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:29 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:I have a solution to the national debt, but it is drastic. Partition the country. Then the national debt becomes a non-existent debt of a non-existent Union. And then the lefties can have their damned social safety net and spend their own taxes on it instead of the average, hard-working, middle-class and upper-middle-class taxpayers' money. Oh, wait, they are only interesting in spending other people's money, and then complaining that Bush let some of them keep more of it instead of donating to the collective.

Sorry, but not interested in your idea of "sharing the wealth", comrade. :lol2: :clap:

man, have you lived in the republican states of america? they don't have jobs, they barely have schools. shit, they haven't paved the roads yet.

also, you know, republican leadership is bad for the economy on every measure for everyone except the tiniest sliver of the elite. there's data on this and everything!

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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:29 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Late Republican Rome wrote:
Only if I get to put on the gray. :rofl:

Butternut, they wore butternut.

The CSA wore all manner of colors.

Fun fact: Most Texan regular troops wore blue.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:30 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:I have a solution to the national debt, but it is drastic. Partition the country. Then the national debt becomes a non-existent debt of a non-existent Union. And then the lefties can have their damned social safety net and spend their own taxes on it instead of the average, hard-working, middle-class and upper-middle-class taxpayers' money. Oh, wait, they are only interesting in spending other people's money, and then complaining that Bush let some of them keep more of it instead of donating to the collective.

Sorry, but not interested in your idea of "sharing the wealth", comrade. :lol2: :clap:

You do realize that Red states are net tax recipients right? And that there are plenty of hardworking middle and upper-middle class taxpayers who vote Democrat in every election?

Oh wait, that'd get in the way of your tirade, I'm sorry.
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:31 pm

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Butternut, they wore butternut.

The CSA wore all manner of colors.

Fun fact: Most Texan regular troops wore blue.

*didn't do the research*
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Postby Late Republican Rome » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:39 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Late Republican Rome wrote:
Only if I get to put on the gray. :rofl:

Butternut, they wore butternut.


Aka khaki ....some of them. I've read up, too. That's because their uniforms weren't....well....uniform. Just because I'm a radical libertarian doesn't mean that I am an ignoramus.

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Postby Late Republican Rome » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:44 pm

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Late Republican Rome wrote:I have a solution to the national debt, but it is drastic. Partition the country. Then the national debt becomes a non-existent debt of a non-existent Union. And then the lefties can have their damned social safety net and spend their own taxes on it instead of the average, hard-working, middle-class and upper-middle-class taxpayers' money. Oh, wait, they are only interesting in spending other people's money, and then complaining that Bush let some of them keep more of it instead of donating to the collective.

Sorry, but not interested in your idea of "sharing the wealth", comrade. :lol2: :clap:

You do realize that Red states are net tax recipients right? And that there are plenty of hardworking middle and upper-middle class taxpayers who vote Democrat in every election?

Oh wait, that'd get in the way of your tirade, I'm sorry.


No, they are content to use their loopholes and what they do pay, they more than recoup through corporate welfare (yes, Democrats collect that, too). But some taxpayers (as opposed to limousine liberals) are suckered by that talk of "social justice".

It would be interesting to see who in what Red states are tax recipients and how many are RINOs or neo-cons (whom I blame for the debt, too because they wouldn't cut spending 90% like they should have) vs. libertarians. Sorry, folks, not a neo-con, so you can't trap me with that bait.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:44 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Do I have to put on the goddamn blue uniform?


Only if I get to put on the gray. :rofl:

But I don't have time to re-enact the Civil War. Just to assert the rights of Man under natural law, including the right to secede.

The right to secede is so out of fashion, say the right to self determinism.
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Postby Late Republican Rome » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:46 pm

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Late Republican Rome wrote:
Only if I get to put on the gray. :rofl:

But I don't have time to re-enact the Civil War. Just to assert the rights of Man under natural law, including the right to secede.

The right to secede is so out of fashion, say the right to self determinism.


Semantics, but that will work in a pinch, too. It is a fundamental right under natural law, and as a disciple of Aristotle and Zeno, I believe firmly in a system of natural law (rather than a state with the right to legislate as it pleases with no obstacles).

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Postby Free Soviets » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:48 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:It would be interesting to see who in what Red states are tax recipients and how many are RINOs or neo-cons (whom I blame for the debt, too because they wouldn't cut spending 90% like they should have) vs. libertarians.

that's easy. the number of libertarians is basically a rounding error.

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Postby Late Republican Rome » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:49 pm

Free Soviets wrote:
Late Republican Rome wrote:It would be interesting to see who in what Red states are tax recipients and how many are RINOs or neo-cons (whom I blame for the debt, too because they wouldn't cut spending 90% like they should have) vs. libertarians.

that's easy. the number of libertarians is basically a rounding error.


Sadly, truer than I wish it were. But give me a few hundred citizens, let me re-found the Roman Republic, leave us be, and we'll do just fine, Jack. We'll even get to skip that Kingdom stage.

Somewhere in Montana would be nice. Or even Alaska.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:50 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:The CSA wore all manner of colors.

Fun fact: Most Texan regular troops wore blue.

*didn't do the research*
:oops:

Towards the Middle to End of the war though, most units and soldiers in the South realized that if you wore a blue coat you'd be shot. So while blue pants were common, most wore Grey or Butternut coats.

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Postby Maurepas » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:52 pm

Free Soviets wrote:
Late Republican Rome wrote:I have a solution to the national debt, but it is drastic. Partition the country. Then the national debt becomes a non-existent debt of a non-existent Union. And then the lefties can have their damned social safety net and spend their own taxes on it instead of the average, hard-working, middle-class and upper-middle-class taxpayers' money. Oh, wait, they are only interesting in spending other people's money, and then complaining that Bush let some of them keep more of it instead of donating to the collective.

Sorry, but not interested in your idea of "sharing the wealth", comrade. :lol2: :clap:

man, have you lived in the republican states of america? they don't have jobs, they barely have schools. shit, they haven't paved the roads yet.

also, you know, republican leadership is bad for the economy on every measure for everyone except the tiniest sliver of the elite. there's data on this and everything!

Depends on exactly where you're at though, Jackson is way more prosperous than Detroit, but rural Michigan is gonna be more prosperous than rural Mississippi. For example: They actually build cars in Jackson.

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Postby Late Republican Rome » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:56 pm

I'm a libertarian, not a Republican. I think Bush's tax cuts were too mild and his spending cuts were negative something. Don't compare me to some other party. I don't mind roads, but I do mind paying for someone else's education. He has two eyes and two hands. He can teach himself to read, write, and cypher, if he has the motivation. The State would barely exist, if it were up to me. Propertied soldiers only, smallholders in general, like it was in ancient Rome. And voting based on economic status. That way, no one gets the idea to confiscate someone else's money through something like, oh, an income tax.

And, just for the record, I live in Arizona.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:00 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:man, have you lived in the republican states of america? they don't have jobs, they barely have schools. shit, they haven't paved the roads yet.

also, you know, republican leadership is bad for the economy on every measure for everyone except the tiniest sliver of the elite. there's data on this and everything!

Depends on exactly where you're at though, Jackson is way more prosperous than Detroit, but rural Michigan is gonna be more prosperous than rural Mississippi. For example: They actually build cars in Jackson.

I don't know Cotton probably sells for more than corn or whatever the heck people that far north grow.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:27 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:that's easy. the number of libertarians is basically a rounding error.


Sadly, truer than I wish it were. But give me a few hundred citizens, let me re-found the Roman Republic, leave us be, and we'll do just fine, Jack. We'll even get to skip that Kingdom stage.

Somewhere in Montana would be nice. Or even Alaska.

Too bad for you I'm already building an anarcho-syndicalist militia in Montana, so looks like you'll have to depart for the frozen north to give your libertarian fantasies a crack
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Postby Sorratsin » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:30 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Late Republican Rome wrote:
Sadly, truer than I wish it were. But give me a few hundred citizens, let me re-found the Roman Republic, leave us be, and we'll do just fine, Jack. We'll even get to skip that Kingdom stage.

Somewhere in Montana would be nice. Or even Alaska.

Too bad for you I'm already building an anarcho-syndicalist militia in Montana, so looks like you'll have to depart for the frozen north to give your libertarian fantasies a crack


You're organizing all the anarcho-socialists and trade unionists in Montana? So like 7 people?

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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:30 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:I'm a libertarian, not a Republican. I think Bush's tax cuts were too mild and his spending cuts were negative something. Don't compare me to some other party. I don't mind roads, but I do mind paying for someone else's education. He has two eyes and two hands. He can teach himself to read, write, and cypher, if he has the motivation. The State would barely exist, if it were up to me. Propertied soldiers only, smallholders in general, like it was in ancient Rome. And voting based on economic status. That way, no one gets the idea to confiscate someone else's money through something like, oh, an income tax.

And, just for the record, I live in Arizona.

You do realize that it was Rome's refusal to allow basic bourgeois equality, and the enforced economic domination was what led inexorably to Rome's degeneration into autocracy?
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Postby Provisional America » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:30 pm

I'd take over New Hampshire, myself. It seems pretty nice.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:32 pm

Sorratsin wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Too bad for you I'm already building an anarcho-syndicalist militia in Montana, so looks like you'll have to depart for the frozen north to give your libertarian fantasies a crack


You're organizing all the anarcho-socialists and trade unionists in Montana? So like 7 people?

That many socialists went to my high school, which wasn't a very large high school. There are more lefties here than you might think, and quite a few trade unionists actually.
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Trotskylvania wrote:Too bad for you I'm already building an anarcho-syndicalist militia in Montana, so looks like you'll have to depart for the frozen north to give your libertarian fantasies a crack


You're organizing all the anarcho-socialists and trade unionists in Montana? So like 7 people?

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Postby Provisional America » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:36 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Sorratsin wrote:
You're organizing all the anarcho-socialists and trade unionists in Montana? So like 7 people?

That many socialists went to my high school, which wasn't a very large high school. There are more lefties here than you might think, and quite a few trade unionists actually.


I don't care. Anarcho-syndicalists are harmless, except to themselves, and oddly enough, we have some common enemies with them. Or at least we libertarians do (believe it or not). It's the rest of the left that I adamantly dislike.
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Postby Wilgrove » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:53 pm

Late Republican Rome wrote:I have a solution to the national debt, but it is drastic. Partition the country. Then the national debt becomes a non-existent debt of a non-existent Union. And then the lefties can have their damned social safety net and spend their own taxes on it instead of the average, hard-working, middle-class and upper-middle-class taxpayers' money. Oh, wait, they are only interesting in spending other people's money, and then complaining that Bush let some of them keep more of it instead of donating to the collective.

Sorry, but not interested in your idea of "sharing the wealth", comrade. :lol2: :clap:


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