PASSED: Condemn The Black Hawks

[Tsim Sha Tsui]

The Republic of Tsim Sha Tsui is against this proposal. We see no reason to condemn a region who's achievements consist of taking over minuscule, inactive regions and (for lack of a better word) tagging them. Perhaps the Black Hawks will graduate to actual "big boy" raiding, and we can revisit this... but I somehow doubt it.

[Free Noldor States]

People seem to forget TBH has been around since 2008 and has raided continuously since, in all shapes and forms, both of target regions and tactics. If the SC wants to condemn us, I ask that at least they take the time to learn about the target's history and not judge only from what has happened in the last two months or so. TBH doesn't need to gradute on "big boy" raiding, because TBH has been a big boy of raiding in the last three years. I've exposed multiple times how I feel about condemning a region for doing something that is not illegal or wrong at all, but I don't want to turn this thread into that argument. As whole in TBH we couldn't care less about being condemned or not, just as we don't really pay much attention to the SC; but if you insist on talking about us I ask that you do it with an informed opinion.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I can see the argument for the condemnation, if nothing else, the badge will serve as a warning to people. However, we have decided to abstain.

CJ
Diplomat for DRPO

[Parti Ouvrier]

The Black Hawks should be Commended instead.

How about neither.

Great Nepal;

Against, We see no reason to condemn a raider while not doing same to defender.

Some of us do not look too favourably on either practice.

CJ

[New Britanniaa]

Against, We see no reason to condemn a raider while not doing same to defender.

My sentiments exactly.

It also works for commendations. Why commend Defenders but not Raiders?

[Parti Ouvrier]

Against, We see no reason to condemn a raider while not doing same to defender.

My sentiments exactly.

It also works for commendations. Why commend Defenders but not Raiders?

Well, one could make the argument that 'defending' is just glorified raiding, or that raiding is just a different way of defending.
Hegels logic.

[Aquamaniac]

Well, he raided me and made rude remarks about many topics that shouldn't have been touched.

For.

[Ballotonia]

The Republic of Tsim Sha Tsui is against this proposal. We see no reason to condemn a region who's achievements consist of taking over minuscule, inactive regions and (for lack of a better word) tagging them. Perhaps the Black Hawks will graduate to actual "big boy" raiding, and we can revisit this... but I somehow doubt it.

Precisely! What they do amounts to WFE spamming. There's no challenge in taking the delegacy of meaningless tiny sleepy/near-dead regions. Their approach to 'invading' is lame, ruins Gameplay, and is simply unimaginative.

Ballotonia

[Leikistan]

Really. must we act as the world's police? What bas have these people done to us? They sure as hell haven't done anything to me. If people don't like belonging to that region, they have the ability to move elsewhere. If these people have done something bad to you, handle it yourslef. Don't call on the Security Council to fix it for you. Be a man, stand for yourself. If you did something bad, would you want everyone else to bring you to the Swecurity Council would you? I don't think so. That is why I am going to vote AGAINST this proposal.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I think the region Imperium Sine Fine is asking to be invaded. Now that's out the way, isn't it fascinating how defenders are reluctant to condemn raiding regions or nations and raiders are reluctant to condemn defending regions or nations?
The reason for that is probably because they both depend on each other for their existence, much like yin and yang. And this is the reason why we do not want to get involved as our nation and region have better things to do than get involved in petty squabbles.
I wonder if we might also start to see defenders wanting to condemn each other, afterall, they're effectively in competition with each other, likewise with raiders!

Note:

We see no reason to condemn a region who's achievements consist of taking over minuscule, inactive regions and (for lack of a better word) tagging them. Perhaps the Black Hawks will graduate to actual "big boy" raiding, and we can revisit this... but I somehow doubt it.

This implies that they could be commended, but are not worthy of such things.

CJ
Diplomat to WA on behalf of DRPO

[Oliver the Mediocre]

I think the region Imperium Sine Fine is asking to be invaded. Now that's out the way, isn't it fascinating how defenders are reluctant to condemn raiding regions or nations and raiders are reluctant to condemn defending regions or nations?

...wait, what?

You're gonna want to back that one up, my friend.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I think the region Imperium Sine Fine is asking to be invaded. Now that's out the way, isn't it fascinating how defenders are reluctant to condemn raiding regions or nations and raiders are reluctant to condemn defending regions or nations?

...wait, what?

You're gonna want to back that one up, my friend.

I guess not everyone knows about dialectics.

[Engan (Ancient)]

I don't understand what the problem is - the vote "text" is written very cryptic!!! the formulation need to be inn a way so you understand whats going on - easy reading... this was not easy -.-' hard to undersand

how should I know what this raiding means for example

[Parti Ouvrier]

I don't understand what the problem is - the vote "text" is written very cryptic!!! the formulation need to be inn a way so you understand whats going on - easy reading... this was not easy -.-' hard to undersand

how should I know what this raiding means for example

hmmm, interesting point.

[Oliver the Mediocre]

...wait, what?

You're gonna want to back that one up, my friend.

I guess not everyone knows about dialectics.

I understand dialectics fine, but you're still going to want to put forward some corroborating evidence that defenders are reluctant to condemn raiding regions or nations. I just don't buy it, speaking from my experience as a raider and a friend of raiders. Raiders are reluctant to condemn defenders because we know it'll never pass.

[Mahaj]

if this passes it shall be a shame.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I guess not everyone knows about dialectics.

I understand dialectics fine, but you're still going to want to put forward some corroborating evidence that defenders are reluctant to condemn raiding regions or nations. I just don't buy it, speaking from my experience as a raider and a friend of raiders. Raiders are reluctant to condemn defenders because we know it'll never pass.

Yea, yea, excuses, excuses, you love defenders really, and why condemn the very people you depend on for your existence? And I have seen from time to time defenders not wanting to condemn raiders with the common excuse that it is a badge of honour and would play to their vanity or some variant of that. I do have some evidence by the way:

Lordieth:

I'm in two minds about this. Commend or Condemn, either badge is a badge of honour, and doesn't do The Black Hawks any harm as a raider party.

No more evidence though, I value my free time more than going through hundreds of posts that say something similar.

[Aelioth]

I gave the Black Hawks a telegram and asked:

What is your take on those who vote to condemn you?

Their reply???

We will hunt down and destroy all regions & nations that vote for us [to be condemned].

Hmm. . .

Being a small, young nation, I know where I stand!

[Metania]

I understand dialectics fine, but you're still going to want to put forward some corroborating evidence that defenders are reluctant to condemn raiding regions or nations. I just don't buy it, speaking from my experience as a raider and a friend of raiders. Raiders are reluctant to condemn defenders because we know it'll never pass.

Yea, yea, excuses, excuses, you love defenders really, and why condemn the very people you depend on for your existence? And I have seen from time to time defenders not wanting to condemn raiders with the common excuse that it is a badge of honour and would play to their vanity or some variant of that. I do have some evidence by the way:

Lordieth:

I'm in two minds about this. Commend or Condemn, either badge is a badge of honour, and doesn't do The Black Hawks any harm as a raider party.

No more evidence though, I value my free time more than going through hundreds of posts that say something similar.

Here, have a card.



Being someone who doesn't play either side of the game, my main quibble is the proposal doesn't make with enough evidence of the Black Hawks doing stuff. And before anyone chucks text relevant to this at me... it needs to be in the proposal itself, not here.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Yea, yea, excuses, excuses, you love defenders really, and why condemn the very people you depend on for your existence? And I have seen from time to time defenders not wanting to condemn raiders with the common excuse that it is a badge of honour and would play to their vanity or some variant of that. I do have some evidence by the way:

Lordieth:

No more evidence though, I value my free time more than going through hundreds of posts that say something similar.

Here, have a card.



Being someone who doesn't play either side of the game, my main quibble is the proposal doesn't make with enough evidence of the Black Hawks doing stuff. And before anyone chucks text relevant to this at me... it needs to be in the proposal itself, not here.

If you want evidence you could always vote for this resolution and see what happens.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I gave the Black Hawks a telegram and asked:

What is your take on those who vote to condemn you?

Their reply???

We will hunt down and destroy all regions & nations that vote for us [to be condemned].

Hmm. . .

Being a small, young nation, I know where I stand!

I actually think you're safe given that you're in a region of about 300 nations.

[Metania]

Here, have a card.



Being someone who doesn't play either side of the game, my main quibble is the proposal doesn't make with enough evidence of the Black Hawks doing stuff. And before anyone chucks text relevant to this at me... it needs to be in the proposal itself, not here.

If you want evidence you could always vote for this resolution and see what happens.

That would not be in the proposal itself, therefore whatever happens outside of it post-passing does not count. We here in the SC use this thing called logic.

[Emmeria Kingdom]

Emmeria votes yea

[Motuka]

On the basis of The Black Hawks being insufficiently notable to deserve SC recognition, Motuka (or more accurately its cheap imitation) has voted against.

- J.K.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Metania said:

That would not be in the proposal itself, therefore whatever happens outside of it post-passing does not count. We here in the SC use this thing called logic.

Oh the logic where you vote for this proposal, then sometime later withdraw that vote, and then sometime later again you vote against the proposal. Ahh, I see.

Although we couldn't care less. Abstaining.

CJ
Diplomat for DRPO