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Should Democratic Party Leaders call for civility in wake of Wis. death threats?

Yes.
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Wis. G.O.P Receiving Death Threats. No Call for Civility?

Postby You-Gi-Owe » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:37 pm

Okay, I'm waiting for the calls for civility....

http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14226468

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The Wisconsin Department of Justice is investigating an e-mail threatening the lives of some Republican state senators.

DOJ spokesman William Cosh says the agency is investigating threats from several sources.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says all threatening messages have been forwarded to Capitol police.

The majority leader's spokesman, Andrew Welhouse, says the address of the person who sent one of the threatening e-mails was apparent, but police told him not to disclose it.

The e-mail said Fitzgerald and his "Republican dictators" must die because of their actions, presumably referring to GOP senators passing a bill removing most public employees' collective bargaining rights.

Fitzgerald says a protester was arrested this week for trespassing at his Dodge County home after she walked onto his porch and banged on the window.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:39 pm

if someone is issuing death threats do you call for civility or call the cops?
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Postby Buurdland » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:39 pm

Thats what happens when you take power away from the Communists...they'll go away soon
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Postby Georgism » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:42 pm

It's okay if we do it.
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Postby Drachmar » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:42 pm

Buurdland wrote:Thats what happens when you take power away from the Communists...they'll go away soon

Yes, I've seen hundreds of thousands of them at the Capitol over the past three weeks. :roll:

Give me a break.
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Postby Georgism » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:43 pm

Drachmar wrote:Give me a break.

Exactly what I'd expect a lazy communist to say
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Postby Drachmar » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:48 pm

Georgism wrote:
Drachmar wrote:Give me a break.

Exactly what I'd expect a lazy communist to say


A plethora of communists up here. You wouldn't believe it if you saw it. :roll:
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:50 pm

Those sending the emails should be caught and punished. Those encouraging violence against political leaders should be censured or punished if the calls lead to actual violence.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:54 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Those sending the emails should be caught and punished. Those encouraging violence against political leaders should be censured or punished if the calls lead to actual violence.

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Postby Wilgrove » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:57 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:Okay, I'm waiting for the calls for civility....

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The Wisconsin Department of Justice is investigating an e-mail threatening the lives of some Republican state senators.

DOJ spokesman William Cosh says the agency is investigating threats from several sources.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says all threatening messages have been forwarded to Capitol police.

The majority leader's spokesman, Andrew Welhouse, says the address of the person who sent one of the threatening e-mails was apparent, but police told him not to disclose it.

The e-mail said Fitzgerald and his "Republican dictators" must die because of their actions, presumably referring to GOP senators passing a bill removing most public employees' collective bargaining rights.

Fitzgerald says a protester was arrested this week for trespassing at his Dodge County home after she walked onto his porch and banged on the window.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)



A link would be nice.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:06 pm

And if death threads had been issued to the Fourteen, would that even be a YGO thread?

Of course not.
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:11 pm

Crowds usually do send death threats. Crowds usually do bring offensive signs and shout offensive shit. Crowds usually do stupid shit. I hate it when commentators try to brand groups of people just because people in masses usually includes a lot of idiots, regardless of the cause. It happens both left and right. It's nothing new and only really got highlighted during the tea party rallies, which now backfires on liberals as it shows crowds that protest tend to have universally offensive messages every now and then.

As far as the question goes. Of course there won't be a focus on it. It's part of the media spin. Only conservatives have the capacity to do stupid and violent shit these days if you are to believe most major news sources, even when it is the other way around. Do I think there should be a focus on it? No, because it is pretty standard for an elected official to receive death threats for whatever. Most of said mail usually goes into the 'spam' category. The entire call for civility thing is a joke regardless as rhetoric that might be construed to be violent does not lead to murderers. Sick people doing sick things lead to murderers. The entire call for civility media element is just an attempt to gain sympathy from the center when in truth they are only verbally castrating themselves. It's not like there is some assassin taking notes every time Keith Olberman put a worst person in the world countdown. If one did, it would be because they were insane to begin with, not because he was brainwashed/misinterpreted whatever message. If offensive speech lead to violence, Michael Savage would have created a mass slaughter in the US. Michael Moore would have inspired a collectivist army by now. I mean, should we trial Alan Grayson for identifying his opponent as a member of the Taliban? No, because it is a stupid PR stunt and anyone with half a brain cell would not take it seriously. Even if someone did and acted violently towards Dan's supporters, I would not blame Grayson for it. I'd tell him that his ad was stupid for many different reasons both political and of core reasoning, but it obviously does not inspire any violent message desiring harm for anyone.

Crowds tend to be stupid. The media is often even dumber. People who defend one side on something as general as crowd behavior while attacking the other is in my opinion far more likely to do something violently stupid than the ones listening to even the worst news sources. Of course, there can be exemption with militia groups and the like. The tea party does not fall into that nor does the unions, but both sure as heck fall into the category of organizations that can create some stupid looking signs and have fringe elements that can do stupid or even violent stuff.
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Postby Wilgrove » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:12 pm

Gauthier wrote:And if death threads had been issued to the Fourteen, would that even be a YGO thread?

Of course not.


Of course not. Any death threat to the Unions or Unionized Worker is deserved because they area Nazi-Communist-Islamic-Fascist who want to destroy the American way of life. However, the Republicans and Conservative are Yahweh appointed holy men, and to threaten them is to threaten this country and Yahweh himself. :p

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Postby Galenaima » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:12 pm

I think everyone should be civil; the day public debate leads to death threats is the day America dies. Metaphorically of course.
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:12 pm

Gauthier wrote:And if death threads had been issued to the Fourteen, would that even be a YGO thread?

Of course not.

I just Googled for death threats against Wis. Democratic Party Politicians... Nothing there. :eyebrow:
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:15 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:Okay, I'm waiting for the calls for civility....



A link would be nice.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2011501.shtml?cat=89
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... h-threats/

Seems this news story has only come out this morning. How lax of us all to allow ~8 hours to pass without decrying this behaviour.
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:15 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
You-Gi-Owe wrote:Okay, I'm waiting for the calls for civility....



A link would be nice.

OP fixed. 8)
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
A link would be nice.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2011501.shtml?cat=89
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... h-threats/

Seems this news story has only come out this morning. How lax of us all to allow ~8 hours to pass without decrying this behaviour.


Leave it to the NSG Drudgeball Champion to show us how insensitive and hypocritical we are, ignoring things like time.
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Postby Deus Malum » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
A link would be nice.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2011501.shtml?cat=89
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... h-threats/

Seems this news story has only come out this morning. How lax of us all to allow ~8 hours to pass without decrying this behaviour.

Yeah it's almost like the general NS populace doesn't sit around watching the news like a hawk or something.

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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:20 pm

Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:21 pm

Deus Malum wrote:
Ifreann wrote:http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2011501.shtml?cat=89
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... h-threats/

Seems this news story has only come out this morning. How lax of us all to allow ~8 hours to pass without decrying this behaviour.

Yeah it's almost like the general NS populace doesn't sit around watching the news like a hawk or something.

Shame on us.

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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:21 pm

Revolutopia wrote:Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.

Link? I really doubt this^.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:22 pm

Revolutopia wrote:Didn't Walker admit to thinking about using false protesters to discredit the unions, by having these actors perform violent actions and rioting. Additionally, if I remember correctly a Tea party leader suggested doing the samething to discredit the protests. Therefore, while obviously I believe death threats are terrible how can we logically pinpoint this only on the Union protesters. Maybe, Walker decided to take the fake Koch advice and try to discredit the Unions.


It's 50/50 of either being Scotty doing the Mubarak Shuffle, or some really out of it protestors deciding to go maverick.
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Postby Wilgrove » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:22 pm

I don't see anyone actually supporting the death threats or any Democrat or Union leadership supporting it.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:24 pm

You know, I searched for this on the internet for real sources, and all that turned up were some right-wing blogs and Fox News. One must wonder.

But if this is true, I suppose a "call for civility" wouldn't be an awful thing. But it's not as if this is widespread. Fox and the like have been doing everything they can to make these people look horrible, but have been failing every time.
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