by Bowness » Tue May 05, 2009 2:52 am
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by Maerngau » Tue May 05, 2009 6:31 pm
by Tessaglia » Tue May 05, 2009 6:51 pm
Maerngau wrote:re: Abolishing faith-based schools
We respectfully decline to support this proposal.
While we firmly believe that the most appropriate education a *state* can provide is a secular education, we simultaneously maintain that, as proposed, such a law would constitute an unreasonable intrusion and state interference into both the practice of religion and also into a parents' right to raise her child as she sees fit.
We maintain that it is the duty of the state to *provide* for the full and complete primary education of every child. We also hold that alternative educational paths shall be recognized as long as it can be demonstrated that said institutions meet competency-in-instruction standards in core subjects as accredited by reputable third-party bodies.
Finally, we recognize that in the marketplace of ideas, freedom is an extremely valuable currency.
Respectfully,
Half Zandorff,
Undersecretary for WA affairs,
Grand Duchy of Great Maern.
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by Divinen » Wed May 06, 2009 2:48 am
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Wed May 06, 2009 6:43 am
Marx-Rawls wrote:The Republic of Marx-Rawls supports this proposal and agrees with the various reasons given for eliminating faith schools. As for the argument that this is a violation of religious freedom and parental rights, we do not see why parents should have any more right to compel their children to attend religious schools that the State. Sending a child to a religious school is an excellent way of preventing the child from obtaining other perspectives; the child may only know what his or her parents have indoctrinated into him. This is hardly a free choice of religion.
by Philimbesi » Wed May 06, 2009 7:08 am
Divinen wrote:All an Abolition of Faith Schools resolution should do is ban public funding of religious schools. The idea is that everyone should have the right to an unbiased education, am I right? So if you make it illegal for the government or WA to fund religious schools. This allows religion to exist but prevents it from obtaining a monopoly on education.
by Absolvability » Wed May 06, 2009 9:03 am
by Tranoria » Wed May 06, 2009 9:23 am
by Destructive Art » Wed May 06, 2009 11:40 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Marx-Rawls wrote:The Republic of Marx-Rawls supports this proposal and agrees with the various reasons given for eliminating faith schools. As for the argument that this is a violation of religious freedom and parental rights, we do not see why parents should have any more right to compel their children to attend religious schools that the State. Sending a child to a religious school is an excellent way of preventing the child from obtaining other perspectives; the child may only know what his or her parents have indoctrinated into him. This is hardly a free choice of religion.
semi-OOC: Well, that only demonstrates your prejudice. Plenty of prominent public figures were either raised religious or attended religious school. Add to that, schools like Harvard, Princeton and William and Mary College all were founded as religious institutions, and one of the most prominent medical schools in the U.S., Loma Linda University, is governed by a church. Shutting down religious educational institutions simply because a few sniveling diplomats just don't like religion would be a terrible disservice to the millions of children in third-world countries who benefit from schools built by missionaries, and otherwise would have no chance of a formal education whatsoever.
by Philimbesi » Wed May 06, 2009 11:46 am
As far as I know the kids that go to religious schools were sent by their parent's against their will. They did not come because they want to learn about his/her respective religion, they come because they think the way their child thinks will change. The truth, however, is that the kids that go there will only stregthen their will to rebel which causes more harm than good.
by Bowness » Wed May 06, 2009 3:17 pm
by American Imperials (Ancient) » Wed May 06, 2009 4:27 pm
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu May 07, 2009 6:48 am
American Imperials wrote:The Empire of American Imperials SUPPORT this movement completely and will provide any support for its passing.
Young children ANYWHERE should NOT have a religion forced upon them in any way shape or form their own decision must be made on their own even though this theory only applies to other nations as for our empire has banned religion all togher as for it is a obsticle that divides a nations people.
by Philimbesi » Thu May 07, 2009 7:15 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:What in God's name is wrong with this organization when we are actively considering making children sign a consent form before they can legally be taught to sing "Jesus Loves Me"?
by Urgench » Thu May 07, 2009 7:44 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote: And what, we should ban parents from dragging their kids to church now?
by Philimbesi » Thu May 07, 2009 8:06 am
Urgench wrote: Adults may choose to decide to practice a faith, children do not have the faculties necessary to make such decisions, therefore they cannot consent to make such a choice.
by Urgench » Thu May 07, 2009 8:13 am
Philimbesi wrote:I agree with the honored ambassador, however isn't that first taste of religion "forced" or not the basis for that choice? No matter what the religion one must have the chuch-going mindset taught to them, and the most logical, and dare I say natural, place is during the person's youth? Isn't that a part of the experience of youth? Also, who's to say that though my mother and father went to the Our Lady of Great Agony and made me go to The Great Agony School, I'm not going to decide that The Church of the Golden Spoon is more aligned with my beliefs as an adult?
Philimbesi wrote:Further eliminating it from public schools isn't going to stop a devout parent from in effect "home-schooling" the child on their faith? So what is there to do in those countries? Dictate what a parent can and can't say to their child?
Philimbesi wrote:Plus I really don't entirely subscribe to the line of thinking that Faith Schools are the reason people fall out of touch with a chosen faith. It think those people are cooking long before that, and they sour on the church not the school.
by Tax Ass » Thu May 07, 2009 8:19 am
by Philimbesi » Thu May 07, 2009 8:26 am
Urgench wrote:Why is a child better able to comprehend the comprehend the complex moral and theological details of a religion ?
Indeed and and we pointed out that we would have no problem with nations banning such indoctrination themselves.
The honoured Ambassador may well not subscribe to this view, but then he may not have to live in a deeply sectarian society where peoples of differing creeds are taught to despise one another as infidels or schismatics or heretics e.t.c.
by Bowness » Thu May 07, 2009 8:41 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:American Imperials wrote:The Empire of American Imperials SUPPORT this movement completely and will provide any support for its passing.
Young children ANYWHERE should NOT have a religion forced upon them in any way shape or form their own decision must be made on their own even though this theory only applies to other nations as for our empire has banned religion all togher as for it is a obsticle that divides a nations people.
And what, we should ban parents from dragging their kids to church now? What in God's name is wrong with this organization when we are actively considering making children sign a consent form before they can legally be taught to sing "Jesus Loves Me"?
I personally think it's unfair on children if they are effectively forced to go to Church with their parents, as in some cases it is a process of indoctrination of which they may have little understanding. Despite this, I never suggest that this should happen and neither did my proposal. Regardless of this seperate idea of not allowing parents to take their children to Church being good or not, I think it would be very unpractical to implement and will never happen in reality. Despite points of my arguement (points 3 & 4 specifically) touching on parental pressure and age being a facor in my proposal, I feel your are very much taking it out of context in an unfair and misleading way.
Please remember, my proposal was never to oulaw religious education in school education, but simply to make it so not one religion is given more empasis over another. I feel as it stands, we will increasingly see more and more 'Faith Schools' for many different religions, and this if anything will have a more isolating impact on community cohesion. It is my opinion that if we to have a true egalitarian society we must also have give an equal billing to religions inside the education system.
Sincerely,
Bowness
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