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by Mad hatters in jeans » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:22 am
by Kynchile » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:25 am
There are proportionately as many atheistic truck drivers as there are atheistic scientists
I'm very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world is very deficient. It gives a lot of factual information, puts all our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight, knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously.
I shall reexamine the suppositions underlying our belief in science and propose to show that they are more extensive than is usually thought. They will appear to coextend with the entire spiritual foundations of man and to go to the very root of his social existence. Hence I will urge our belief in science should be regarded as a token of much wider convictions.
Admit the existence of a personal God and the possibility of miracles follows at once. If the laws of nature are carried out in accordance with his will, he who willed them may will their suspension….
Do not be afraid to be free thinkers. If you think strongly enough, you will be forced by science to the belief in God.
In fact, if one considers the possible constants and laws that could have emerged, the odds against a universe that produced life like ours are immense
The present arrangement of matter indicates a very special choice of initial conditions.
A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature.
by Treznor » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:39 am
NERVUN wrote:Treznor wrote:I understand the objection to bringing up Isaac Newton's religious devotion, because not being religious (or at least Deist) was a quick way to a long fall with a short rope. Subscribing to a religious organization was also the best way to make connections, particularly among the Masons.
Given the cultural attitudes of the time, you'll find few prominent atheists stepping forward. Not necessarily because they were convinced of the rational arguments for gods, but because society was particularly unforgiving of assumptions that didn't begin with gods.
Given that at the time of Newton you have Deism going on...
It's up to you guys to actually show through his writings that Newton WASN'T a theist. Saying that, "well of course he was because he HAD to be, but if he was alive now" is nothing but speculation. Given the amount of time he spent in study of the Bible and his writtings, I think it is safe to say that he truely belived.
by Free Soviets » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:51 am
Kynchile wrote:Why Are There So Few Atheists Among Physicists?
by Duckside » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:59 am
by Duckside » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:03 am
In fact, if one considers the possible constants and laws that could have emerged, the odds against a universe that produced life like ours are immense
The present arrangement of matter indicates a very special choice of initial conditions.
A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature.
by Duckside » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:05 am
by Cybach » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:07 am
Which is to say, a dissident in the (semi)theocratic society of his day.
He was also an alchemist, and believed some truly crazy stuff which almost no-one believes today.
Lemaître was a professor at a Catholic university. Did he have any choice?
Mendel likewise depended for his livelihood on the abbey which supported his studies.
Another example of a scientist who pursued his true love, science, and compromised his politics and ideological stance for his speciality. As so many scientists do today! Give me this day my daily funding, and let me get on with my research.
Source please. Really, that's a wild claim. Who considers him so? And why?
That's nice. Source please.
No, it's not. Or rather, the element of choice varies greatly depending on the social environment of who chooses. In some cases, in some places, it is career suicide to have the wrong, or to have no, religion. In other places, the choice is more free.
And not one of us is free to choose our religion as we are free to choose which TV channel to watch, with the remote in hand and no other watching. Our religion, as with all our other beliefs or belief systems, makes us what we are now. We are not free as the TV surfer is, we are not absolutely free to choose our own religion. We are not free to unbecome what we already are!
Believe me. I'm an atheist, tending towards gnostic. The idea of becoming a Theist requires that I junk many of my habits of thought, renounce much of my experience. It's not in any way a Free Choice.
There is lots wrong in that, but some kernel of truth too.
by Straughn » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:30 am
This is a really, really hard-bitten and tenuous argument here. I think it'd be painful for you to try to prove it, really, but no better place than here to try, no?
by CanuckHeaven » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:39 pm
His startling theory is that suicide can be positively correlated with intelligence — in other words, the smarter people are, the more likely they are to kill themselves.
Voracek’s starting point is the fact that suicide is a growing problem in the Western world: someone commits suicide in America every 15 minutes, and the World Health Organisation claims that suicide accounts for at least 2 per cent of Western deaths. The rate of suicide in parts of Sweden has risen by 250 per cent in the past 40 years.
Most sociologists have argued that this is because of the so-called anomie of modern Western life — that something in urbanised, industrialised society alienates us from friends, faith and family, the mainstays of human happiness.
by Hammurab » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:55 pm
CanuckHeaven wrote:People with higher IQsare less likely to believe in Godare more likely to commit suicide.
Only the bright commit suicideHis startling theory is that suicide can be positively correlated with intelligence — in other words, the smarter people are, the more likely they are to kill themselves.
Voracek’s starting point is the fact that suicide is a growing problem in the Western world: someone commits suicide in America every 15 minutes, and the World Health Organisation claims that suicide accounts for at least 2 per cent of Western deaths. The rate of suicide in parts of Sweden has risen by 250 per cent in the past 40 years.
Most sociologists have argued that this is because of the so-called anomie of modern Western life — that something in urbanised, industrialised society alienates us from friends, faith and family, the mainstays of human happiness.
Ahhh....the dirty "f" word.
by Tunizcha » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:06 am
Hammurab wrote:CanuckHeaven wrote:People with higher IQsare less likely to believe in Godare more likely to commit suicide.
Only the bright commit suicideHis startling theory is that suicide can be positively correlated with intelligence — in other words, the smarter people are, the more likely they are to kill themselves.
Voracek’s starting point is the fact that suicide is a growing problem in the Western world: someone commits suicide in America every 15 minutes, and the World Health Organisation claims that suicide accounts for at least 2 per cent of Western deaths. The rate of suicide in parts of Sweden has risen by 250 per cent in the past 40 years.
Most sociologists have argued that this is because of the so-called anomie of modern Western life — that something in urbanised, industrialised society alienates us from friends, faith and family, the mainstays of human happiness.
Ahhh....the dirty "f" word.
Short crutches don't work for tall people.
by Buffett and Colbert » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:30 am
CanuckHeaven wrote:People with higher IQsare less likely to believe in Godare more likely to commit suicide.
Only the bright commit suicideHis startling theory is that suicide can be positively correlated with intelligence — in other words, the smarter people are, the more likely they are to kill themselves.
Voracek’s starting point is the fact that suicide is a growing problem in the Western world: someone commits suicide in America every 15 minutes, and the World Health Organisation claims that suicide accounts for at least 2 per cent of Western deaths. The rate of suicide in parts of Sweden has risen by 250 per cent in the past 40 years.
Most sociologists have argued that this is because of the so-called anomie of modern Western life — that something in urbanised, industrialised society alienates us from friends, faith and family, the mainstays of human happiness.
Ahhh....the dirty "f" word.
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.
by New Genoa » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:53 am
by Rhodmhire » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:08 am
by Rhodmhire » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:12 am
CanuckHeaven wrote:People with higher IQsare less likely to believe in Godare more likely to commit suicidearen't always smarter than those with lower IQs.
by Tunizcha » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:52 am
Rhodmhire wrote:CanuckHeaven wrote:People with higher IQsare less likely to believe in Godare more likely to commit suicidearen't always smarter than those with lower IQs.
Again, I don't personally believe IQs are a good way to judge intellect, therefore not a good way to judge religious belief, suicide rates, etc.
by Getsuei » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:02 pm
by Getsuei » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:29 pm
Drackmaria wrote:In a previous post i claimed that religion did damage to society here is a list to make it simple
1: Preventing the teaching of safe sex practices
2: Forcing women with unwanted pregnacies to keep them
3: Not allowing terminal patients in great pain to end their suffering
4: Obstructing research into embyrionic stem cells that could save thousands of lives
5: Encouraging skeptism into climate change leading to irreprible damage to the enviroment
These are just a few of the less extreme damages to society religion is responisble for
I wont even go into the murders, crusades, holy wars and inquisitions over history
Religion damages society
Deny it if you can
by La Habana » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:37 pm
by Holy Paradise » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:46 pm
by Exilia and Colonies » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:05 pm
CanuckHeaven wrote:People with higher IQsare less likely to believe in Godare more likely to commit suicide.
Only the bright commit suicideHis startling theory is that suicide can be positively correlated with intelligence — in other words, the smarter people are, the more likely they are to kill themselves.
Voracek’s starting point is the fact that suicide is a growing problem in the Western world: someone commits suicide in America every 15 minutes, and the World Health Organisation claims that suicide accounts for at least 2 per cent of Western deaths. The rate of suicide in parts of Sweden has risen by 250 per cent in the past 40 years.
Most sociologists have argued that this is because of the so-called anomie of modern Western life — that something in urbanised, industrialised society alienates us from friends, faith and family, the mainstays of human happiness.
Ahhh....the dirty "f" word.
by Rhodmhire » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:10 pm
Tunizcha wrote:Rhodmhire wrote:CanuckHeaven wrote:People with higher IQsare less likely to believe in Godare more likely to commit suicidearen't always smarter than those with lower IQs.
Again, I don't personally believe IQs are a good way to judge intellect, therefore not a good way to judge religious belief, suicide rates, etc.
But they are a good way to measure if you believe in Hypnotoad or not.
by Bitchkitten » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:59 pm
by Intangelon » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:04 pm
Bitchkitten wrote:Read it in "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Very few scientistsbelieve in any sort of diety.
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