Collectivised Ideologys (Facism,Socialism and Communism)

[History land]

The Collectivised Ideologys are the moast flawed and moast destructive ideologys in the history of man.

They reject the idea that money is the tool to deal with humans and embrace the idea of Force.

Collectivism is the word all three share and are evil and they destory individualism.

They support altusim. Alll three say "reject your individual rights and support" whoever the army,the state,your nigebhors, or the poor whooever

Communism and Socialism uses force to take wealth created by the producer and given to the people due to thier need But they say the worker is the producer and they should own the means of production.


They have made a mistake. Workers are people who have voluntray working for someone else and trade thier labor for wages fairly and honstley with mutaual agreement. They make help make the product that the producer has concived of.

The Producer concives of the product makes it and sells it to make a product. The Means of Production is the Human Mind each individual has it and can use it to his own abllity.

Workers are not exploited and the profit motive is the only way how a moral society will work.

In Captialism money is the tool used to exchange for other things. The Profit motive makes a goodwill and moral society and allows people to follow there own self intrestes.

In the collectivist ideas of Communism,Socialism and Facism The Gun is the tool and men are the tools of other men. They have to follow the ideas of society and reject there owns. Bassically you have to do what the man with the gun said which they claim is held by society.

Collectivism is a system of force,fraud, dishonesty, mistrust,destruction and control

Individualism is a system of Reason,work,honesty,trust,construction and freedom

Socialism,Communsim is only diffrent to facism on how they control individuals and what they see humans should serve other than that they are the same things there is very little diffrencies between facism,commuinism, and socialism.


Captialism is the seperation of state and economics along with the speration of church and state. Mixed Economies are not captialism.


The Collective ideologies are destructive they are corrrupt with backroom deals and dishonesty. They use force force to take and give to the state or force to take and give to the poor. They are looter systems they use Corecion and will achive only universal devistation.


There only diffrenice is the how they control you. Socialism and Communism use goverment ownership. While facists use State Sponsors. Facists belive in sacrifice for the state and the army while Socialists and Communists belive in sacrafice for the poor and weak.


Captialism is a system of honesty and free trade. There is no controls only freedom everyone uses reason and plans to work for themslves and not for others. They do not sacrafice they work for thier own profit for there own reasons. In the captialist society guns are rare only money is seen alot

The only guns you see are in homes to defend from cimminals or if the police or military have them. But if the world was captialists not mixed economies Guns might not exsits.

Capatialism is the only Moral and Honest System of reason and freedom and promotes Individuism and opposes collectivism.


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[Avenio]

I have an interesting question for you. Have you ever thought there might be more to life than simply accumulating wealth? Art, philosophy, science, all of these things should trump the need for material goods and wealth under any circumstance.

Mind you, thats just my opinion.

[Samatolian City-States]

God, you won't give it up, will you? Just accept that as long as there is power, there WILL be corruption. NO system in the world is completely honest. Why do people kill for money? Why do people steal? Why do people defraud? How do you explain Madoff's actions? The actions of the Church of Scientology, a cult ruthlessly taking the life savings of those who worked hard?

Power is the evil, and power exists in all governments. Individualism can be just as easily crushed by a capitalist society as a communist one. Now, see past the capitalist rhetoric you're so mindlessly spouting, and enlighten yourself.

[History land]

I have an interesting question for you. Have you ever thought there might be more to life than simply accumulating wealth? Art, philosophy, science, all of these things should trump the need for material goods and wealth under any circumstance.

Mind you, thats just my opinion.

But Science Philosophy and Art are all material things

[Maurepas]

I believe the word you are looking for is Ideologies...

Just a heads up,

[New Kereptica]

I have an interesting question for you. Have you ever thought there might be more to life than simply accumulating wealth? Art, philosophy, science, all of these things should trump the need for material goods and wealth under any circumstance.

Mind you, thats just my opinion.

But Science Philosophy and Art are all material things

No.

[New Kereptica]

I believe the word you are looking for is Ideologies...

Just a heads up,

("Collectivist," too, I think.)

[Samatolian City-States]

I have an interesting question for you. Have you ever thought there might be more to life than simply accumulating wealth? Art, philosophy, science, all of these things should trump the need for material goods and wealth under any circumstance.

Mind you, thats just my opinion.

But Science Philosophy and Art are all material things

No.

I believe that's /thread.

[Neu California]

I have an interesting question for you. Have you ever thought there might be more to life than simply accumulating wealth? Art, philosophy, science, all of these things should trump the need for material goods and wealth under any circumstance.

Mind you, thats just my opinion.

But Science Philosophy and Art are all material things

Philosophy is material?

And this thread will not end well

[History land]

God, you won't give it up, will you? Just accept that as long as there is power, there WILL be corruption. NO system in the world is completely honest. Why do people kill for money? Why do people steal? Why do people defraud? How do you explain Madoff's actions? The actions of the Church of Scientology, a cult ruthlessly taking the life savings of those who worked hard?

Power is the evil, and power exists in all governments. Individualism can be just as easily crushed by a capitalist society as a communist one. Now, see past the capitalist rhetoric you're so mindlessly spouting, and enlighten yourself.

One I will never give up what I am fighting for or what I belive in

Two I never said they were never any corrpupt people. Maddoff is a crimminal he wish to defy reality and so he sufferd for it. Captialism supports individualims and will only be crushed under a mixed economy.

Madoff is a looter who destoyed his abllity to reason and to work and to think. People steal because they refuse to think and work. People Kill for money because they can not think same goes for anyone that uses fraud.

But I can tell you one thing in turue captialism where there is no regulations. Fraud and Theif wold happen less than in a Communist or Socialist society.

[History land]

I have an interesting question for you. Have you ever thought there might be more to life than simply accumulating wealth? Art, philosophy, science, all of these things should trump the need for material goods and wealth under any circumstance.

Mind you, thats just my opinion.

But Science Philosophy and Art are all material things

Philosophy is material?

And this thread will not end well

I have you not noticed it that moast of the Philosopical ideas have to deal with being on earth that means it has to do with materalistic goods.

[New Kereptica]

God, you won't give it up, will you? Just accept that as long as there is power, there WILL be corruption. NO system in the world is completely honest. Why do people kill for money? Why do people steal? Why do people defraud? How do you explain Madoff's actions? The actions of the Church of Scientology, a cult ruthlessly taking the life savings of those who worked hard?

Power is the evil, and power exists in all governments. Individualism can be just as easily crushed by a capitalist society as a communist one. Now, see past the capitalist rhetoric you're so mindlessly spouting, and enlighten yourself.

One I will never give up fighting gor what I belive in

Two I never said they were never any corrpupt people. Maddoff is a crimminal he wish to defy reality and so he sufferd for it. Captialism supports individualims and will only be crushed under a mixed economy.

Madoff is a looter who destoyed his abllity to reason and to work and to think. People steal because they refuse to think and work. People Kill for money because they can not think same goes for anyone that uses fraud.

But I can tell you one thing in turue captialism where there is no regulations. Fraud and Theif wold happen less than in a Communist or Socialist society.

In a world where money is absolute, what are more logical crimes than fraud and theft?

[Avenio]

I have an interesting question for you. Have you ever thought there might be more to life than simply accumulating wealth? Art, philosophy, science, all of these things should trump the need for material goods and wealth under any circumstance.

Mind you, thats just my opinion.

But Science Philosophy and Art are all material things

No, they're abstractions. Art, Science and Philosophy can be created by anyone, anywhere, whether they're a CEO or a ditch digger, and whether they are in an artist's studio or simply arranging pebbles in the dirt. These things are not tied to the world of economics, no matter what the capitalists try to make everyone believe with the barbaric system of patents and copyrights.

[History land]

God, you won't give it up, will you? Just accept that as long as there is power, there WILL be corruption. NO system in the world is completely honest. Why do people kill for money? Why do people steal? Why do people defraud? How do you explain Madoff's actions? The actions of the Church of Scientology, a cult ruthlessly taking the life savings of those who worked hard?

Power is the evil, and power exists in all governments. Individualism can be just as easily crushed by a capitalist society as a communist one. Now, see past the capitalist rhetoric you're so mindlessly spouting, and enlighten yourself.

One I will never give up fighting gor what I belive in

Two I never said they were never any corrpupt people. Maddoff is a crimminal he wish to defy reality and so he sufferd for it. Captialism supports individualims and will only be crushed under a mixed economy.

Madoff is a looter who destoyed his abllity to reason and to work and to think. People steal because they refuse to think and work. People Kill for money because they can not think same goes for anyone that uses fraud.

But I can tell you one thing in turue captialism where there is no regulations. Fraud and Theif wold happen less than in a Communist or Socialist society.

In a world where money is absolute, what are more logical crimes than fraud and theft?

Because wealth must be created by work by honesty. Fraud and Theif eliminate the abllity to work and to think and to be honest. Those crimes are not rational or logical to a moral society.

[New Kereptica]

I have you not noticed it that moast of the Philosopical ideas have to deal with being on earth that means it has to do with materalistic goods.

Have you ever picked up a philosophy? Ever held one in your hand? Philosophy is a field of ideas, the same with science and art. All can have some connections to the physical world, such as scientific experiments or paintings, but in essence, they are thought alone.

[History land]

I have an interesting question for you. Have you ever thought there might be more to life than simply accumulating wealth? Art, philosophy, science, all of these things should trump the need for material goods and wealth under any circumstance.

Mind you, thats just my opinion.

But Science Philosophy and Art are all material things

No, they're abstractions. Art, Science and Philosophy can be created by anyone, anywhere, whether they're a CEO or a ditch digger, and whether they are in an artist's studio or simply arranging pebbles in the dirt. These things are not tied to the world of economics, no matter what the capitalists try to make everyone believe with the barbaric system of patents and copyrights.

Art is creaded by materials,Science is created by materials, Philosophy is associated with living on earth which is tied to the material goods.

[Samatolian City-States]

God, you won't give it up, will you? Just accept that as long as there is power, there WILL be corruption. NO system in the world is completely honest. Why do people kill for money? Why do people steal? Why do people defraud? How do you explain Madoff's actions? The actions of the Church of Scientology, a cult ruthlessly taking the life savings of those who worked hard?

Power is the evil, and power exists in all governments. Individualism can be just as easily crushed by a capitalist society as a communist one. Now, see past the capitalist rhetoric you're so mindlessly spouting, and enlighten yourself.

One I will never give up fighting gor what I belive in

Two I never said they were never any corrpupt people. Maddoff is a crimminal he wish to defy reality and so he sufferd for it. Captialism supports individualims and will only be crushed under a mixed economy.

Madoff is a looter who destoyed his abllity to reason and to work and to think. People steal because they refuse to think and work. People Kill for money because they can not think same goes for anyone that uses fraud.

But I can tell you one thing in turue captialism where there is no regulations. Fraud and Theif wold happen less than in a Communist or Socialist society.

Damn it, you're just supporting the corporations' exploitation of the people. How individualistic is factory work? Or sitting in a cubicle all day? Or being one in a hundred thousand suit monkeys, plotting and planning the fate of your small groups of pathetic underlings? Boy, when you grow to be older, you will understand the realities of the world you inhabit. Naivete will not save you.

Now, don't take me the wrong way. A Collectivist government only takes the same problem out of the hands of the corporations and into the hands of the government. You'll still slave away, and get nothing for it.

[History land]

I have you not noticed it that moast of the Philosopical ideas have to deal with being on earth that means it has to do with materalistic goods.

Have you ever picked up a philosophy? Ever held one in your hand? Philosophy is a field of ideas, the same with science and art. All can have some connections to the physical world, such as scientific experiments or paintings, but in essence, they are thought alone.

Which have to do with the materalistic world we live in

[New Kereptica]

Because wealth must be created by work by honesty. Fraud and Theif eliminate the abllity to work and to think and to be honest. Those crimes are not rational or logical to a moral society.

Must? I can list a hundred ways to create wealth through dishonest means.

[Samatolian City-States]

Art is creaded by materials,Science is created by materials, Philosophy is associated with living on earth which is tied to the material goods.

"Man cannot live by bread alone..."

[Barzan]

Ah, this sounds like a well researched topic, clearly written by an educated individual who is well versed in history, economics, sociology, and politics. No ranting armchair ideologues here, no sir. I applaud the annotated bibliography and the wide use of scholarly sources, the myriad array of facts, and the objective and completely unbiased manner in which this topic was treated. I see a Pulitzer in the future for someone.

[New Kereptica]

I have you not noticed it that moast of the Philosopical ideas have to deal with being on earth that means it has to do with materalistic goods.

Have you ever picked up a philosophy? Ever held one in your hand? Philosophy is a field of ideas, the same with science and art. All can have some connections to the physical world, such as scientific experiments or paintings, but in essence, they are thought alone.

Which have to do with the materalistic world we live in

But not physical themselves, or at all tied to commerce.

[History land]

God, you won't give it up, will you? Just accept that as long as there is power, there WILL be corruption. NO system in the world is completely honest. Why do people kill for money? Why do people steal? Why do people defraud? How do you explain Madoff's actions? The actions of the Church of Scientology, a cult ruthlessly taking the life savings of those who worked hard?

Power is the evil, and power exists in all governments. Individualism can be just as easily crushed by a capitalist society as a communist one. Now, see past the capitalist rhetoric you're so mindlessly spouting, and enlighten yourself.

One I will never give up fighting gor what I belive in

Two I never said they were never any corrpupt people. Maddoff is a crimminal he wish to defy reality and so he sufferd for it. Captialism supports individualims and will only be crushed under a mixed economy.

Madoff is a looter who destoyed his abllity to reason and to work and to think. People steal because they refuse to think and work. People Kill for money because they can not think same goes for anyone that uses fraud.

But I can tell you one thing in turue captialism where there is no regulations. Fraud and Theif wold happen less than in a Communist or Socialist society.

Damn it, you're just supporting the corporations' exploitation of the people. How individualistic is factory work? Or sitting in a cubicle all day? Or being one in a hundred thousand suit monkeys, plotting and planning the fate of your small groups of pathetic underlings? Boy, when you grow to be older, you will understand the realities of the world you inhabit. Naivete will not save you.

Now, don't take me the wrong way. A Collectivist government only takes the same problem out of the hands of the corporations and into the hands of the government. You'll still slave away, and get nothing for it.

Corporations do not exploiate people. people who work for corporations have done it voluntarly and for mutual benifit. Factory work is individualistic because you have a job to do in the factory which is your responsiblity. You have a job to do in a cubical which is your responsblity.

Plus nobody can determin the life a person will live except the individual in that life. Plus in a corporation or in a factory you are trading labor for wages.

Humans who work are traders in all jobs they trade. Money for objects Labor for Money Humans who work are traders

[Doichlogs]

Have you ever picked up a philosophy? Ever held one in your hand? Philosophy is a field of ideas, the same with science and art. All can have some connections to the physical world, such as scientific experiments or paintings, but in essence, they are thought alone.

Which have to do with the materalistic world we live in

But not physical themselves, or at all tied to commerce.[/quote]

Nonsense. Everything is tied to commerce. Could those ideas exist at all without any commerce? No, because those who held the ideas would all be dead.

[New Kereptica]

Corporations do not exploiate people. people who work for corporations have done it voluntarly and for mutual benifit. Factory work is individualistic because you have a job to do in the factory which is your responsiblity. You have a job to do in a cubical which is your responsblity.

Plus nobody can determin the life a person will live except the individual in that life. Plus in a corporation or in a factory you are trading labor for wages.

Humans who work are traders in all jobs they trade. Money for objects Labor for Money Humans who work are traders

Have you ever heard of slavery?