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Do you think Donald Trump will serve his full term in office?

Yes
289
55%
No: he will be impeached and convicted
33
6%
No: he will die in office
150
29%
No: he will be forced to resign a la Nixon
32
6%
No (other)
18
3%
 
Total votes : 522

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Mikais
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Postby Mikais » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:11 pm

Afrikaner South Africa wrote:Why are people feeling horrible about the election?
are they that upset he won?
get over it


I think it is perfectly fine to feel horrible about an election, especially if the person who won represents the antithesis of your beliefs and values. How you express that feeling is what matters more.

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Postby Southglory » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:11 pm

Deblar wrote:
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Intriguing personal choice.

bless your heart; they were being sarcastic


I would assume so, considering the conversation on tariffs ongoing.
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Postby Areebistan » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:12 pm

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I do understand his position, I have the same feeling about Condelessa Rice; she is not interested in the Presidency despite the fact that she would be great at it.


Dr. Rice is my personal dream candidate. But the GOP no longer welcomes defense hawks. And the GOP primary voters would never nominate a black woman as their presidential nominee


How can the British conservatives got for black woman in Badenoch over a white man in Jenrick while the GOP cannot go for a black woman. If the policies of a black woman are crazy enough to be similar to Trump's, we could have a black woman running as the GOP candidate.
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Postby Pale Dawn » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:12 pm

Deblar wrote:
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If it's a mistake we can learn it the hard way, rather than keep the status quo everyone is tired of.

i hope so for this country's sake, but it's gonna be real painful in the meantime

A simple fact of American society is that large swaths of towns and populations that once depended on domestic production and industry were hurt when these industries moved production to mexico, china and the like. Same with coal and green energy initiatives. Communities gutted and a memory of the pain passed on. Few argue that the overall standard of life will increase with tariffs and trump lies plenty about who will pay. But bringing these industries and jobs back state side will always resonate with sections of the populace because it hurt them and in many cases people felt left behind in the economic growth that resulted. Facts don't care about feelings but the reverse is also true. Sometimes ones pride is worth a degree of pain. Now if someone offered a road to rebuilding american industry and bringing back shuttered towns without tariffs then they would care which option was better.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:12 pm

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Arvenia wrote:It's just that we don't want another Trump administration in the US. He is an idiot, a criminal, a billionaire and a Russophile.


So was Kamala a smart, innocent, penniless, russophobe?

Interesting that you're suddenly desperately defending the American empire.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:13 pm

Areebistan wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
Dr. Rice is my personal dream candidate. But the GOP no longer welcomes defense hawks. And the GOP primary voters would never nominate a black woman as their presidential nominee


How can the British conservatives got for black woman in Badenoch over a white man in Jenrick while the GOP cannot go for a black woman. If the policies of a black woman are crazy enough to be similar to Trump's, we could have a black woman running as the GOP candidate.


Dr. Rice and Donald Trump have very different views.
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Postby Southglory » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:13 pm

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I'm sure, still there is reason to believe that he would ever reallocate resources away from the military he has a deportation plan and it could be one of the avenues it occurs

Personally I would consider shifting resources from the military to a militarised federal law enforcement to be a lateral move.

or technology with Musk possibly streamlining the govt to make it more efficient.

Lol. Lmao.


I see, still he argued for the expansion of energy and driving the cost of it down, he may have projects in store for it, and hey that was essentially Elon's angle of being involved.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:15 pm

Afrikaner South Africa wrote:Why are people feeling horrible about the election?
are they that upset he won?
get over it

He’s gonna fuck over Ukraine and the economy and that’s a pretty bad thing.

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Postby Areebistan » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:15 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Areebistan wrote:
How can the British conservatives got for black woman in Badenoch over a white man in Jenrick while the GOP cannot go for a black woman. If the policies of a black woman are crazy enough to be similar to Trump's, we could have a black woman running as the GOP candidate.


Dr. Rice and Donald Trump have very different views.


Not talking about Rice in particular. She would certainly not be a GOP candidate. But you did say that " GOP primary voters would never nominate a black woman as their presidential nominee". They could elect a black woman who is very similar to Trump. I dont think race would be a barrier to anyone become the GOP's nominee, you just have to be as braindead as Trump. That transcends genders and races.
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Postby Skorpiie » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:16 pm

Arvenia wrote:
Afrikaner South Africa wrote:Why are people feeling horrible about the election?
are they that upset he won?
get over it

It's just that we don't want another Trump administration in the US. He is an idiot, a criminal, a billionaire and a Russophile.

I find the fact that he‘s a Russophile quite worrying for all of Europe. Although strong, they are very much dependent on the US. And if the US stops helping the EU, it’s over for Europe. Right-wing parties are also gonna win: e.g. AfD etc.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:16 pm

Southglory wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:For the next solar eclipse, I think it would be cool to see it with my own eyes, in opposition of intellectuals who state it will be bad for them.


Intriguing personal choice.

I mean if we’re supposed to ignore literally every economist saying that tariffs will only cause inflation then why not this?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:16 pm

Southglory wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Personally I would consider shifting resources from the military to a militarised federal law enforcement to be a lateral move.


Lol. Lmao.


I see, still he argued for the expansion of energy and driving the cost of it down, he may have projects in store for it, and hey that was essentially Elon's angle of being involved.

Elon Musk is a clown and a buffoon. There is zero reason to believe he has the faintest notion of how to make literally anything operate efficiently. He couldn't even make an Elden Ring build.
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Postby The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:17 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Southglory wrote:
I see, still he argued for the expansion of energy and driving the cost of it down, he may have projects in store for it, and hey that was essentially Elon's angle of being involved.

Elon Musk is a clown and a buffoon. There is zero reason to believe he has the faintest notion of how to make literally anything operate efficiently. He couldn't even make an Elden Ring build.


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Postby Southglory » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:17 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Southglory wrote:
I see, still he argued for the expansion of energy and driving the cost of it down, he may have projects in store for it, and hey that was essentially Elon's angle of being involved.

Elon Musk is a clown and a buffoon. There is zero reason to believe he has the faintest notion of how to make literally anything operate efficiently. He couldn't even make an Elden Ring build.


He literally runs SpaceX he's got to know something.
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Postby The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:18 pm

Southglory wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Elon Musk is a clown and a buffoon. There is zero reason to believe he has the faintest notion of how to make literally anything operate efficiently. He couldn't even make an Elden Ring build.


He literally runs SpaceX he's got to know something.

He knows his family runs a Zambian emerald mine and his father impregnated his stepdaughter.
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Postby Southglory » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:20 pm

Adamede wrote:
Southglory wrote:
Intriguing personal choice.

Iran if we’re supposed to ignore literally every economist saying that tariffs will only cause inflation then why not this?


This is science, versus economics. Though I suppose the two have coincided with studying human action. I'd rather risk the economics given our unique history though.
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Postby Kaumudeen » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:20 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Elwher wrote:
I do understand his position, I have the same feeling about Condelessa Rice; she is not interested in the Presidency despite the fact that she would be great at it.


Dr. Rice is my personal dream candidate. But the GOP no longer welcomes defense hawks. And the GOP primary voters would never nominate a black woman as their presidential nominee


Would you sign up for a war if a 'defence hawk' was president?
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Postby Pierconium » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:20 pm

Southglory wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Elon Musk is a clown and a buffoon. There is zero reason to believe he has the faintest notion of how to make literally anything operate efficiently. He couldn't even make an Elden Ring build.


He literally runs SpaceX he's got to know something.

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Postby Southglory » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:22 pm

Pierconium wrote:
Southglory wrote:
He literally runs SpaceX he's got to know something.

Gwynne Shotwell would like a word.


She should have many, yet she joined under his leadership.
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Postby Pierconium » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:25 pm

Southglory wrote:
Pierconium wrote:Gwynne Shotwell would like a word.


She should have many, yet she joined under his leadership.

Yes. But, hiring a competent manager while owning the company is not the same thing as running it though.
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Postby Deblar » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:26 pm

Areebistan wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
Dr. Rice and Donald Trump have very different views.


Not talking about Rice in particular. She would certainly not be a GOP candidate. But you did say that " GOP primary voters would never nominate a black woman as their presidential nominee". They could elect a black woman who is very similar to Trump. I dont think race would be a barrier to anyone become the GOP's nominee, you just have to be as braindead as Trump. That transcends genders and races.

great, now i have a godawful image in my head of candace owens being the republican presidential nominee in 2028, thanks /lh
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Postby Southglory » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:27 pm

Pierconium wrote:
Southglory wrote:
She should have many, yet she joined under his leadership.

Yes. But, hiring a competent manager while owning the company is not the same thing as running it though.


I beg to differ, you still have someone under you, and you would be the boss.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:27 pm

Kaumudeen wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
Dr. Rice is my personal dream candidate. But the GOP no longer welcomes defense hawks. And the GOP primary voters would never nominate a black woman as their presidential nominee


Would you sign up for a war if a 'defence hawk' was president?


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Postby Kaumudeen » Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:28 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Elwher wrote:
I do understand his position, I have the same feeling about Condelessa Rice; she is not interested in the Presidency despite the fact that she would be great at it.


Dr. Rice is my personal dream candidate. But the GOP no longer welcomes defense hawks. And the GOP primary voters would never nominate a black woman as their presidential nominee



Always fascinates me that many of the GOP Neocons (Bush, Cheney, Bolton, Rice, Kristol, Frum, Wolfowitz) never were in the military or just copped out and joined the national guard despite supporting the war in Vietnam.
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