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by Murrakush » Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:32 pm
by Liberal Malaysia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:36 pm
by Kaumudeen » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:46 pm
Liberal Malaysia wrote:The rise of Islam has contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim infidels beginning in the 7th century. As a non-Muslim, I have a huge problem with that. There is no room for true equality or coexistence in Islam. You either submit or you die.
I WILL NOT SUBMIT. I will NEVER accept dhimmitude or annihilation.
by Aber Antarctica » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:50 pm
Kaumudeen wrote:Liberal Malaysia wrote:The rise of Islam has contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim infidels beginning in the 7th century. As a non-Muslim, I have a huge problem with that. There is no room for true equality or coexistence in Islam. You either submit or you die.
I WILL NOT SUBMIT. I will NEVER accept dhimmitude or annihilation.
Brother you're angry, maybe you need to go to the mosque and talk to the imam for guidance.
by Neu California » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:55 pm
Liberal Malaysia wrote:The rise of Islam has contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim infidels beginning in the 7th century. As a non-Muslim, I have a huge problem with that.
There is no room for true equality or coexistence in Islam. You either submit or you die.
I WILL NOT SUBMIT. I will NEVER accept dhimmitude or annihilation.
by Syndicasia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:15 pm
Neu California wrote:Liberal Malaysia wrote:The rise of Islam has contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim infidels beginning in the 7th century. As a non-Muslim, I have a huge problem with that.
Do you have a problem with the rise of Christianity, which has also contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Christians beginning in the first or second century?There is no room for true equality or coexistence in Islam. You either submit or you die.
Considering how well Muslims have integrated in the US, and the fact that the far-right (almost always Christians, never Muslims) are far more dangerous than them here in the states, I think you're wrong.I WILL NOT SUBMIT. I will NEVER accept dhimmitude or annihilation.
Fortunately those are not the two options in ragards to Islam in general, just the extremist variants.
by United Calanworie » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:18 pm
by Xshor » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:20 pm
Liberal Malaysia wrote:I WILL NOT SUBMIT. I will NEVER accept dhimmitude or annihilation.
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by Washington-Columbia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:33 pm
Xshor wrote:Liberal Malaysia wrote:I WILL NOT SUBMIT. I will NEVER accept dhimmitude or annihilation.
hey werent you supposed to leave a while back to go on ur honourable crusade or whatever it is u tell urself at night. what happened to that
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by Liberal Malaysia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 11:54 pm
Neu California wrote:Liberal Malaysia wrote:The rise of Islam has contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim infidels beginning in the 7th century. As a non-Muslim, I have a huge problem with that.
Do you have a problem with the rise of Christianity, which has also contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Christians beginning in the first or second century?There is no room for true equality or coexistence in Islam. You either submit or you die.
Considering how well Muslims have integrated in the US, and the fact that the far-right (almost always Christians, never Muslims) are far more dangerous than them here in the states, I think you're wrong.I WILL NOT SUBMIT. I will NEVER accept dhimmitude or annihilation.
Fortunately those are not the two options in ragards to Islam in general, just the extremist variants.
by Neu California » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:10 am
Liberal Malaysia wrote:Neu California wrote:
Do you have a problem with the rise of Christianity, which has also contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Christians beginning in the first or second century?
Considering how well Muslims have integrated in the US, and the fact that the far-right (almost always Christians, never Muslims) are far more dangerous than them here in the states, I think you're wrong.
Fortunately those are not the two options in ragards to Islam in general, just the extremist variants.
I do have a problem with the rise of Christianity historically for exactly the same reasons. But most Christians have moved on since then. Christians have never attempted to force their religion onto me through legislation and threats of mob violence. Only Muslims have done that.
I don't live in the States. I'm talking about the whole world. I'm talking about the Muslim world in particular where I live.
Your "lived experience" as a privileged American liberal who can afford to disregard Islamic extremism as something totally distant (an example of a woke luxury belief typically held by members of a neoliberal ruling elite and their scions)
does not concord with the lived experiences of non-Muslims in the Muslim world who have to deal with this shit constantly on a daily basis. You are free to openly challenge Christianity or demonstrate every single weekend in support of Hamas and Hezbollah in your country in such a way that I'm not free to openly challenge Islam or express any support Israel whatsoever in my country under pain of arrest or mob intimidation. That is your privilege as a citizen of the freest country in the world. You have the First Amendment, a sympathetic legacy media establishment and an entire apparatus of elite institutions to back you up. We have nothing. Hell, even the Europeans are much worse off than you are in this respect.
Convert, leave or die will be the only options left if Islamic law is ever implemented where you live. If the extremists have their way in my country, these will be our only options.
by Xshor » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:18 am
Liberal Malaysia wrote:You are free to [...] demonstrate every single weekend in support of Hamas and Hezbollah [...] I'm not free to [...] express any support Israel whatsoever in my country under pain of arrest or mob intimidation
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by Syndicasia » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:44 am
by Syndicasia » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:47 am
Neu California wrote:And what percentage of Muslims in your country are extremists vs. moderates? Show your work with sources.
by Celestial Russia » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:51 am
Syndicasia wrote:a ban on any pro-national demonstration, regardless of nation!
by Liberal Malaysia » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:59 am
Neu California wrote:Liberal Malaysia wrote:
I do have a problem with the rise of Christianity historically for exactly the same reasons. But most Christians have moved on since then. Christians have never attempted to force their religion onto me through legislation and threats of mob violence. Only Muslims have done that.
Here, Christians have repeatedly tried to force their religion onto me and the whole populace through legislation and threats of mob violence. See January 6th, all the attempts to ban abortion and same sex marriage, force the 10 commandments into classrooms, etc. That's why blaming only Muslims for this and not taking Christians and similar to task for doing the same things elsewhere comes off as ridiculously petty.I don't live in the States. I'm talking about the whole world. I'm talking about the Muslim world in particular where I live.
Pick one: the whole world or where you live.Your "lived experience" as a privileged American liberal who can afford to disregard Islamic extremism as something totally distant (an example of a woke luxury belief typically held by members of a neoliberal ruling elite and their scions)
What does this even mean? It's just buzzword soup.does not concord with the lived experiences of non-Muslims in the Muslim world who have to deal with this shit constantly on a daily basis. You are free to openly challenge Christianity or demonstrate every single weekend in support of Hamas and Hezbollah in your country in such a way that I'm not free to openly challenge Islam or express any support Israel whatsoever in my country under pain of arrest or mob intimidation. That is your privilege as a citizen of the freest country in the world. You have the First Amendment, a sympathetic legacy media establishment and an entire apparatus of elite institutions to back you up. We have nothing. Hell, even the Europeans are much worse off than you are in this respect.
I don't buy any of that. Not a word.Convert, leave or die will be the only options left if Islamic law is ever implemented where you live. If the extremists have their way in my country, these will be our only options.
And what percentage of Muslims in your country are extremists vs. moderates? Show your work with sources.
In my country, the far-right are overwhelmingly Muslims, and Muslim extremists pose the greatest existential threat to minorities like us. White supremacy and Christian nationalism are virtually nonexistent here. Non-Muslims in my country are either unable or unwilling to fight for their rights and fail to appreciate the sheer necessity of resistance like the Israelis do.
by Syndicasia » Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:00 am
Celestial Russia wrote:Syndicasia wrote:a ban on any pro-national demonstration, regardless of nation!
With this policy you will achieve the rejection of the Red Banner by the masses of people. Congratulations.
During the transitional period, nations need be brought under a supra-national union, and not simply rudely destroyed.
by Neu California » Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:08 am
Liberal Malaysia wrote:Neu California wrote:
Here, Christians have repeatedly tried to force their religion onto me and the whole populace through legislation and threats of mob violence. See January 6th, all the attempts to ban abortion and same sex marriage, force the 10 commandments into classrooms, etc. That's why blaming only Muslims for this and not taking Christians and similar to task for doing the same things elsewhere comes off as ridiculously petty.
Pick one: the whole world or where you live.
What does this even mean? It's just buzzword soup.
I don't buy any of that. Not a word.
And what percentage of Muslims in your country are extremists vs. moderates? Show your work with sources.
I've updated my post:In my country, the far-right are overwhelmingly Muslims, and Muslim extremists pose the greatest existential threat to minorities like us. White supremacy and Christian nationalism are virtually nonexistent here. Non-Muslims in my country are either unable or unwilling to fight for their rights and fail to appreciate the sheer necessity of resistance like the Israelis do.
Donald Trump appeals to me because he's more secular and religiously apathetic than your typical Christian conservative, and he stands with Israel, the only infidel-majority nation-state in the Middle East. In fact, he's not even conservative at all. He's more of a pragmatist.
And your government's not going to arrest you for drawing cartoons of Mohammed or burning copies of the Qur'an. Christian fundamentalists are generally not going to murder you for mocking their prophet. Not in America at least. You have freedom of speech and a meaningful way to challenge abortion bans and other religiously motivated legislation and WIN BIG. You have already overturned abortion bans in a number of states. Your "plight" is temporary and short-lived. Our plight is much more intractable. Christian extremists are peanuts compared to Muslim extremists.
The Muslim and non-Muslim worlds are inseparable at this point due to globalization and ease of travel and instant communication. You should be concerned wherever you live. Nowhere is truly safe from Muslim extremism. Your complacencywill be your undoing, and potentially our undoing as well given that who you vote for on Nov. 5 will have a huge impact on U.S. foreign policy and a huge impact on the whole world.
Rob Henderson coined the term luxury beliefs. Look it up.
Your refusal to acknowledge your liberal American privilege is your problem, not mine.
Given that more than half of all Malays and Muslims voted for the far-right Islamofascist party PAS and their Malay ethnonationalist allies in the last general election in 2022 and the pendulum has only tilted even more in their favor in the state elections in 2023, I'd say most Muslims in my country qualify as holding extreme views on Islam and how non-Muslims, i.e. me, ought to be treated. Malays and Muslims also have a much higher birth rate than we do outside of my home state and its next door neighbor. We infidels are essentially living on borrowed time.
Sources: Bridget Welsh, Malaysiakini (paywalled)
If we infidels were to revolt or resist in any meaningful way like the Israelis did in '48, we'd be massacred all over again just as we were on May 13, 1969. If Israel is destroyed due to Harris winning the U.S. presidential election in two weeks time, things will get even worse for us and for the whole world, for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike as genocidal far-right Islamists receive a huge morale boost and double down on their efforts to enslave us all.
by Celestial Russia » Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:14 am
Syndicasia wrote:Then explain why Lenin and even Stalin had nationalists in the Party jailed and/or murdered, yet the USSR's political stability only came into question far later than that!
by Syndicasia » Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:16 am
Celestial Russia wrote:Syndicasia wrote:Then explain why Lenin and even Stalin had nationalists in the Party jailed and/or murdered, yet the USSR's political stability only came into question far later than that!
Neither Lenin nor Stalin pursued a policy of crude Russification, nor a policy of exterminating local nations. Moreover, they FINISHED THE FORMATION OF THE UNION NATIONS.
And bourgeois nationalists do not have a monopoly on being nationals.
In the end, the USSR lost not to the nationalists, but to the traitors within the CPSU.
by Liberal Malaysia » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:15 am
Neu California wrote:Liberal Malaysia wrote:
I've updated my post:
Donald Trump appeals to me because he's more secular and religiously apathetic than your typical Christian conservative, and he stands with Israel, the only infidel-majority nation-state in the Middle East. In fact, he's not even conservative at all. He's more of a pragmatist.
Donald Trump a pragmatist?And your government's not going to arrest you for drawing cartoons of Mohammed or burning copies of the Qur'an. Christian fundamentalists are generally not going to murder you for mocking their prophet. Not in America at least. You have freedom of speech and a meaningful way to challenge abortion bans and other religiously motivated legislation and WIN BIG. You have already overturned abortion bans in a number of states. Your "plight" is temporary and short-lived. Our plight is much more intractable. Christian extremists are peanuts compared to Muslim extremists.
It sounds less like your problem is with Muslims and more with the far right in general.The Muslim and non-Muslim worlds are inseparable at this point due to globalization and ease of travel and instant communication. You should be concerned wherever you live. Nowhere is truly safe from Muslim extremism. Your complacencywill be your undoing, and potentially our undoing as well given that who you vote for on Nov. 5 will have a huge impact on U.S. foreign policy and a huge impact on the whole world.
(BTW, I live in a city that had a Muslim terrorist attack, San Bernardino, and you know what? There was no real move towards islamic extremism or against it. It was a tragedy, but things stayed the same for the most part)Rob Henderson coined the term luxury beliefs. Look it up.
Your refusal to acknowledge your liberal American privilege is your problem, not mine.
Anmd your inability to actually define these terms in any meaningful way is your problem, not mine.Given that more than half of all Malays and Muslims voted for the far-right Islamofascist party PAS and their Malay ethnonationalist allies in the last general election in 2022 and the pendulum has only tilted even more in their favor in the state elections in 2023, I'd say most Muslims in my country qualify as holding extreme views on Islam and how non-Muslims, i.e. me, ought to be treated. Malays and Muslims also have a much higher birth rate than we do outside of my home state and its next door neighbor. We infidels are essentially living on borrowed time.
Considering you seem to treat all muslims as extremists, I'm putting little faith in your words.Sources: Bridget Welsh, Malaysiakini (paywalled)
Not even a link?If we infidels were to revolt or resist in any meaningful way like the Israelis did in '48, we'd be massacred all over again just as we were on May 13, 1969. If Israel is destroyed due to Harris winning the U.S. presidential election in two weeks time, things will get even worse for us and for the whole world, for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike as genocidal far-right Islamists receive a huge morale boost and double down on their efforts to enslave us all.
Israel is not going to be destroyed under a Harris Presidency, and I sincerely doubt that things are going to get as bad as you claim. Your hyperbole is annoying at best.
The opposition Perikatan Nasional electoral gains were made from increased Malay support. The popular vote for PN reached 49 percent of the total vote in the six state polls, almost on par with the vote of the unity government. PN increased their seats, gaining 61 seats out of 245, especially in Malay majority areas.
The preliminary analysis confirms that the opposition coalition won over the overwhelming majority of Malays voting, an estimated gain of 19 percent, to reach an average in all six elections of an estimated 73 percent of the Malay vote.
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For Pakatan Harapan and Umno, the share of the Malay vote decreased to an overall figure of an estimated 26 percent in the six elections, a figure in line with the Malay vote received for Harapan in 2018.
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