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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:14 pm

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Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:Which is the standard argument for progressives since pretty much 1848.


This seems to contradict your earlier post where you said that the truce where people could live their own lives was destroyed by 'wokeness' and 'cancel culture.' But maybe trying to read your posts for consistency and a coherent position was a mistake.

I was referring to the part where you resort to calling anyone who disagrees with your position a “reactionary”.
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Postby Tungstan » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:14 pm

Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:
Tungstan wrote:There are 8 billion people on this planet. If anything, less people being born is a good thing.

Still, the mindset is indicative of a certain decadence in society.
As a gay man, I don't see how loving another man is "decadent". Do elaborate.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:15 pm

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Senkaku wrote:But you totally would’ve gone if it weren’t for that one thing? I don’t understand where any of you reactionaries get off lecturing people about what kinds of politics or outfits are acceptable at Pride lol, you’re not even gonna be there anyways so who cares! Plan a party for July and leave us be!

This argument of “I’ll leave you alone and you’ll leave me alone” worked a few years ago. Now, in the age of wokeness and cancel culture, we so-called “reactionaries” (read: people who don’t want their taxpayer dollars going to strippers preforming in front of their children) are at risk and fighting back.


I don’t give 83 fucks if social and religious conservatives disagree with my “lifestyle”. I just don’t want them to force their shit on me. Their approval is neither desired nor required.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:17 pm

Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
This seems to contradict your earlier post where you said that the truce where people could live their own lives was destroyed by 'wokeness' and 'cancel culture.' But maybe trying to read your posts for consistency and a coherent position was a mistake.

I was referring to the part where you resort to calling anyone who disagrees with your position a “reactionary”.


I only called you a reactionary. If you have a coherent position beyond 'gays bad' we're all waiting with baited breath to see it.

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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:17 pm

Tungstan wrote:
Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:Still, the mindset is indicative of a certain decadence in society.
As a gay man, I don't see how loving another man is "decadent". Do elaborate.

The mindset of willingness to enter into a sexual relationship with another that will not contribute to the survival of society is reflective of a certain luxury that wasn’t previously available during, at risk of sounding stereotypical, “the good old days”.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:18 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:We survived with those traditions for millennia. Surely there’s something good about them?

I mean, if you can point out the good in at best othering LGBT people, by all means do so.


Surely those with favorable opinions of that community understand the utility in othering others. After all, that is THE motive to "call out" what that community considers "bigotry".

They want the transgressor shamed. Punished. Othered.

The idea is that shame can be a weapon to correct behavior.
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Postby Atrito » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:20 pm

Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:
Tungstan wrote:As a gay man, I don't see how loving another man is "decadent". Do elaborate.

The mindset of willingness to enter into a sexual relationship with another that will not contribute to the survival of society is reflective of a certain luxury that wasn’t previously available during, at risk of sounding stereotypical, “the good old days”.

Does this make homosexuality a bad thing in your eyes?

Because y’know what else people wouldn’t be able to do without “a certain level of luxury that wasn’t available during the good old days”?

Eat more than a basic diet
Travel to other countries
Access higher education
Take days off from work
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:23 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:I mean, if you can point out the good in at best othering LGBT people, by all means do so.


Surely those with favorable opinions of that community understand the utility in othering others. After all, that is THE motive to "call out" what that community considers "bigotry".

They want the transgressor shamed. Punished. Othered.


I think religious conservatives are the grand champions of “othering” and ostracizing LGBT people when looking at history before the last 20-25 years.
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Postby Pale Dawn » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:24 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Surely those with favorable opinions of that community understand the utility in othering others. After all, that is THE motive to "call out" what that community considers "bigotry".

They want the transgressor shamed. Punished. Othered.


I think religious conservatives are the grand champions of “othering” and ostracizing LGBT people when looking at history before the last 20-25 years.

So you agree the LGBT community has since taken the grand champion position the past 25 years?
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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:27 pm


Most of these are from liberal sources.
Aggicificicerous wrote:
Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:I was referring to the part where you resort to calling anyone who disagrees with your position a “reactionary”.


I only called you a reactionary. If you have a coherent position beyond 'gays bad' we're all waiting with bated breath to see it.

Of course I do. A return to European colonialism, the destruction of Germany, renewed focus on the military, restoration of House Bonaparte, etc.
Atrito wrote:
Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:The mindset of willingness to enter into a sexual relationship with another that will not contribute to the survival of society is reflective of a certain luxury that wasn’t previously available during, at risk of sounding stereotypical, “the good old days”.

Does this make homosexuality a bad thing in your eyes?

Because y’know what else people wouldn’t be able to do without “a certain level of luxury that wasn’t available during the good old days”?

Eat more than a basic diet
We do have an obesity problem…
Travel to other countries
*coughs in colonialism
Access higher education
The first universities were established in the late 12th century.
Take days off from workDo we really need, that, though?
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:30 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Surely those with favorable opinions of that community understand the utility in othering others. After all, that is THE motive to "call out" what that community considers "bigotry".

They want the transgressor shamed. Punished. Othered.


I think religious conservatives are the grand champions of “othering” and ostracizing LGBT people when looking at history before the last 20-25 years.


You understand, then.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:31 pm

Pale Dawn wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
I think religious conservatives are the grand champions of “othering” and ostracizing LGBT people when looking at history before the last 20-25 years.

So you agree the LGBT community has since taken the grand champion position the past 25 years?


Not necessarily. It’s just that religious conservatives don’t have the power and influence that they used to have, and now that they can’t force their lifestyle choice on others, they get pissed off and bitchy

Distruzio wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
I think religious conservatives are the grand champions of “othering” and ostracizing LGBT people when looking at history before the last 20-25 years.


You understand, then.


I don’t agree, no. Just because people are not sharing religious conservatives viewpoints on homosexuality and transgenderism doesn’t mean they’re being “oppressed”. People are mocking their religion? Suck it up.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:33 pm

Neu California wrote:I don't think Islam is to blame for the sorry state of LGBT rights in much of the world, but conservatism in general. Consider that far too many predominantly Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish (de facto), etc. nations also discriminate against LGBT individuals, in quite a few cases to a greater extreme than predominantly Muslim nations, so singling them out seems Islamophobic, especially considering your stance on Israel's slaughter of Palestinians.


I miss the days when Muslims were notorious in the Christian world for being extremely gay.
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Postby Pale Dawn » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:34 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Pale Dawn wrote:So you agree the LGBT community has since taken the grand champion position the past 25 years?


Not necessarily. It’s just that religious conservatives don’t have the power and influence that they used to have, and now that they can’t force their lifestyle choice on others, they get pissed off and bitchy


So you believe the LGBTQ community has if not taken the lead in "othering others" they have obtained an equal footing in the capacity to do so?
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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:34 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Pale Dawn wrote:So you agree the LGBT community has since taken the grand champion position the past 25 years?


Not necessarily. It’s just that religious conservatives don’t have the power and influence that they used to have, and now that they can’t force their lifestyle choice on others, they get pissed off and bitchy
Because of cancel culturel
Distruzio wrote:
You understand, then.


I don’t agree, no. Just because people are not sharing our religious viewpoints on homosexuality and transgenderism doesn’t mean you’re being “oppressed”. People are mocking your religion? Suck it up.
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Postby Atrito » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:35 pm

Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:
Atrito wrote:Does this make homosexuality a bad thing in your eyes?

Because y’know what else people wouldn’t be able to do without “a certain level of luxury that wasn’t available during the good old days”?

Eat more than a basic diet
We do have an obesity problem…
Travel to other countries
*coughs in colonialism
Access higher education
The first universities were established in the late 12th century.
Take days off from workDo we really need, that, though?

1. Ah yes, because eating more than bread or potatoes directly leads to obesity. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the world's population isn't obese
2. There's a large difference between a person and their family moving to a colony to establish a new home and me going abroad for two weeks every year
3. The first university was founded in 1088. Doesn't mean that it was accessible. Most of the population wouldn't gain access to higher education until after the Second World War.
4. Yes.
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Postby Tungstan » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:35 pm

Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:Of course I do. A return to European colonialism, the destruction of Germany, renewed focus on the military, restoration of House Bonaparte, etc.
I appreciate your attempt to hit the world record for "number of bad ideas in one sentence", but a nation simulation game isn't the place to post it.
Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:Do we really need, that, though?
Yes. Yes we do.
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Postby Pale Dawn » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:36 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Pale Dawn wrote:So you agree the LGBT community has since taken the grand champion position the past 25 years?


Not necessarily. It’s just that religious conservatives don’t have the power and influence that they used to have, and now that they can’t force their lifestyle choice on others, they get pissed off and bitchy


So you believe the LGBTQ community has if not taken the lead in "othering others" they have obtained an equal footing in the capacity to do so?
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If we are doing military comparisons, I have different tech levels, so just match whatever your nation is to the appropriate level. If you are PT, imagine a set redneck guerilla warbands fighting so that their families aren't wiped out by famine and raiders. My goal in this is to be able to line myself up against any nations (along their timeline and tech level) whether they are based in 1974 or 80859. As such the numbers from PMT on are a bit soft. Those looking at our culture are stuck with MT timeline but I am building it out more. And for those who don't want to see factbooks, stats are not cannon. Policies are.

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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:39 pm

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Pale Dawn wrote:So you agree the LGBT community has since taken the grand champion position the past 25 years?


Not necessarily. It’s just that religious conservatives don’t have the power and influence that they used to have, and now that they can’t force their lifestyle choice on others, they get pissed off and bitchy


Indeed. They're beginning to understand that "live and let live" was a mistake. And it confuses them (that's the bitchiness you're noticing). Religious conservatives thought that if they accepted the new rules of a NeUtRaL arbiter for justice, everyone could profit. They failed to recognize the snake in the garden. That's one thing I genuinely like about the contemporary Left... they understand that you cannot stop wielding the power once you've grabbed it. A single exception, when made, becomes an exploit that can be broadened.

Distruzio wrote:
You understand, then.


I don’t agree, no. Just because people are not sharing our religious viewpoints on homosexuality and transgenderism doesn’t mean you’re being “oppressed”. People are mocking your religion? Suck it up.


I suggest you agreed. I suggested you understand. And you do, very well.

It's just uncomfortable.
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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:39 pm

Atrito wrote:
Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:

1. Ah yes, because eating more than bread or potatoes directly leads to obesity. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the world's population isn't obese
On the other hand, a certain level of austerity is good.
2. There's a large difference between a person and their family moving to a colony to establish a new home and me going abroad for two weeks every year.
“Going abroad for two weeks every year”? That sounds a tad…excessive.
3. The first university was founded in 1088. Doesn't mean that it was accessible. Most of the population wouldn't gain access to higher education until after the Second World War.
And? You said “higher education”, not “higher education everyone and their grandmother can get into”.
4. Yes.Why?
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:39 pm

Pale Dawn wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
Not necessarily. It’s just that religious conservatives don’t have the power and influence that they used to have, and now that they can’t force their lifestyle choice on others, they get pissed off and bitchy


So you believe the LGBTQ community has if not taken the lead in "othering others" they have obtained an equal footing in the capacity to do so?


Shit, I feel ostracized by the LGBT community. The difference is that I’m a member of this community, for better or for worse. Religious conservatives like to walk into our spaces, and tell us we’re perverts and we’re going to hell. Should members of our Community walking to the spaces of religious conservatives and start lecturing them, I don’t think so. But religious conservatives shouldn’t cry a river if they’re told to fuck off by members of our community if they try to proselytize in our spaces.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:39 pm

Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:Of course I do. A return to European colonialism, the destruction of Germany, renewed focus on the military, restoration of House Bonaparte, etc.


So aside from being extremely funny, these are all very reactionary views. Dunno why you object to the label.

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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:40 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:
Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:Of course I do. A return to European colonialism, the destruction of Germany, renewed focus on the military, restoration of House Bonaparte, etc.


So aside from being extremely funny, these are all very reactionary views. Dunno why you object to the label.

That’s a good point, actually.
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Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:Of course I do. A return to European colonialism, the destruction of Germany, renewed focus on the military, restoration of House Bonaparte, etc.
I appreciate your attempt to hit the world record for "number of bad ideas in one sentence", but a nation simulation game isn't the place to post it.None of these are bad ideas.
Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:Do we really need, that, though?
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