The War on Christmas...

[Tekania]

Well, many portrayals show him as having flying reindeer and going down chimneys, and what I meant when describing the Arctic was most of the places north of the Arctic circle are islands, water and sheets of ice. And why would Santa not give presents to Jesus? Because he has met God years ago. And the fact it predates Christianity is just liberal propaganda, it was developed by none other than Jesus himself. If you don't believe me, do not look it up on any source except church and FOX News and my statement will be true.

According to my Church, Jesus does acid. Thus, the flying reindeers.

That would explain Rudolf as well....

[Geniasis]

Well your calling it the wrong thing aren't you?

To be fair, so are you. The correct name would be association football, from which both the shortening to "football" and the name "soccer" are derived.

[Unilisia]

1. I find all religions huge wastes of time and energy when humans could divert their time to bettering themselves and the world. Pipe dream, but whatever, tis where I stand.

[Tekania]

1. I find all religions huge wastes of time and energy when humans could divert their time to bettering themselves and the world. Pipe dream, but whatever, tis where I stand.

Given that some religions are in fact about "bettering themselves [or others] and the world" that seems somewhat disingenuous.

[The Ben Boys]

1: Who gives a fucking shit? Look, I don't know shit about Kwanzica of Haniku or whatever they call it in Yiddish, I'm not of the faith. Though sometimes I wonder why they picked the one spot in the damn neighborhood that didn't have oil foot feet until the surface. Ahh, Jews.
Anyway, why should they care? Doubt they do much.
Why do atheists and agnostics care? I hope they don't, Santa still comes by and invades your home to give you presents that weren't on your list.
And Kwanza people. Don't get me started. Back in college, my dad's professor did some research on the "holiday". IT DOESN'T EXIST. I'll be more than happy to post the paper he had on here, but their reasoning behind it was it was celebrated by their ancestors. Nope, not at all.

It comes down to one thing: Live with it. It's not like your life is drastically changed, like your being threatened or hurt. So your offended, I got news for you: THAT'S LIFE.

Okay, I've stopped my ranting to go play CoD. Happy Christmas/Merry Holidays.

[Imsogone]

1: Who gives a fucking shit? Look, I don't know shit about Kwanzica of Haniku or whatever they call it in Yiddish, I'm not of the faith. Though sometimes I wonder why they picked the one spot in the damn neighborhood that didn't have oil foot feet until the surface. Ahh, Jews.
Anyway, why should they care? Doubt they do much.
Why do atheists and agnostics care? I hope they don't, Santa still comes by and invades your home to give you presents that weren't on your list.
And Kwanza people. Don't get me started. Back in college, my dad's professor did some research on the "holiday". IT DOESN'T EXIST. I'll be more than happy to post the paper he had on here, but their reasoning behind it was it was celebrated by their ancestors. Nope, not at all.

It comes down to one thing: Live with it. It's not like your life is drastically changed, like your being threatened or hurt. So your offended, I got news for you: THAT'S LIFE.

Okay, I've stopped my ranting to go play CoD. Happy Christmas/Merry Holidays.

Bitter much? Anyway, when you get down to it, no holiday existed until someone thought of it and decided to celebrate. They're all man-made for human purposes, so what if Kwaanza is new, if they're still celebrating it 500 years from now, no one's going to bitch about it. You know, I can just hear some ancient Roman saying "and Christmas, people don't get me started. Back in the forum, my dad's mentor did some research on the "holiday". it doesn't exist..."

[Syvorji]

According to my Church, Jesus does acid. Thus, the flying reindeers.

That would explain Rudolf as well....

That is where you are wrong. Jesus doesn't do acid, according to my church. Then again, I am an Anglican farmer, who farms in Arizona, whose only sources are church and FOX News. Thus, Santa doesn't exist.

[Geniasis]

Bitter much? Anyway, when you get down to it, no holiday existed until someone thought of it and decided to celebrate. They're all man-made for human purposes, so what if Kwaanza is new, if they're still celebrating it 500 years from now, no one's going to bitch about it. You know, I can just hear some ancient Roman saying "and Christmas, people don't get me started. Back in the forum, my dad's mentor did some research on the "holiday". it doesn't exist..."

"Don't even get me started, I went ahead and did some research in the cave paintings and this Winter Solstice thing? Total bullshit. It doesn't exist."

"Hey, Ugg?"

"Yeah?"

"Shut the fuck up."

[Unilisia]

1. I find all religions huge wastes of time and energy when humans could divert their time to bettering themselves and the world. Pipe dream, but whatever, tis where I stand.

Given that some religions are in fact about "bettering themselves [or others] and the world" that seems somewhat disingenuous.

Blinding yourself with lies isn't bettering yourself.

[Geniasis]

Blinding yourself with lies isn't bettering yourself.

Just to take Christianity, there's the Beatitudes, the Golden Rule, the Fruit of the Spirit, the 1 Corinthians 13 definition of what it means to show love and the important of such, and the various parables including but not limited to the Prodigal Son and the Good Samaritan.

These don't help people better themselves? I'm going to call bullshit.

[Imsogone]

Blinding yourself with lies isn't bettering yourself.

Just to take Christianity, there's the Beatitudes, the Golden Rule, the Fruit of the Spirit, the 1 Corinthians 13 definition of what it means to show love and the important of such, and the various parables including but not limited to the Prodigal Son and the Good Samaritan.

These don't help people better themselves? I'm going to call bullshit.

Isn't it a pity then, that the most vocal, loud-mouthed, in your face, self-proclaimed Christians aren't doing any of this. Isn't it equally odd that most of the people who do practice these things aren't Christian - many of them don't even believe in a deity.

[Oterro]

Blinding yourself with lies isn't bettering yourself.

Just to take Christianity, there's the Beatitudes, the Golden Rule, the Fruit of the Spirit, the 1 Corinthians 13 definition of what it means to show love and the important of such, and the various parables including but not limited to the Prodigal Son and the Good Samaritan.

These don't help people better themselves? I'm going to call bullshit.

Beat me to it.

Religion =/= Perfect

Religion =/= Evil

[Imsogone]

Just to take Christianity, there's the Beatitudes, the Golden Rule, the Fruit of the Spirit, the 1 Corinthians 13 definition of what it means to show love and the important of such, and the various parables including but not limited to the Prodigal Son and the Good Samaritan.

These don't help people better themselves? I'm going to call bullshit.

Beat me to it.

Religion =/= Perfect

Religion =/= Evil

Religion =/= deity

[Geniasis]

Isn't it a pity then, that the most vocal, loud-mouthed, in your face, self-proclaimed Christians aren't doing any of this.

That tends to be because the Christians that do practice it don't tend to make a big deal out of it. They tend to stay out of the spotlight, operational hazard.

Isn't it equally odd that most of the people who do practice these things aren't Christian - many of them don't even believe in a deity.

Not really. If you think that was the point of my post then you seem to have missed something.

[Tekania]

Given that some religions are in fact about "bettering themselves [or others] and the world" that seems somewhat disingenuous.

Blinding yourself with lies isn't bettering yourself.

Assuming one is talking about lies. Random internet poster does not get to classify the entirety of representation within very broadly inclusive term as being composed entirely of "lies".

[Imsogone]

Isn't it a pity then, that the most vocal, loud-mouthed, in your face, self-proclaimed Christians aren't doing any of this.

That tends to be because the Christians that do practice it don't tend to make a big deal out of it. They tend to stay out of the spotlight, operational hazard.

Isn't it equally odd that most of the people who do practice these things aren't Christian - many of them don't even believe in a deity.

Not really. If you think that was the point of my post then you seem to have missed something.

Entirely possible. I've been known to have the occasional blind spot.

[Geniasis]

Entirely possible. I've been known to have the occasional blind spot.

To clarify, I'm not making the case that Christianity is the only path to be good and moral; I used it as an example because it's the one I can speak to from experience. The claim was that it allegedly could not be used to better oneself, a claim that is false.

[The Ben Boys]

1: Who gives a fucking shit? Look, I don't know shit about Kwanzica of Haniku or whatever they call it in Yiddish, I'm not of the faith. Though sometimes I wonder why they picked the one spot in the damn neighborhood that didn't have oil foot feet until the surface. Ahh, Jews.
Anyway, why should they care? Doubt they do much.
Why do atheists and agnostics care? I hope they don't, Santa still comes by and invades your home to give you presents that weren't on your list.
And Kwanza people. Don't get me started. Back in college, my dad's professor did some research on the "holiday". IT DOESN'T EXIST. I'll be more than happy to post the paper he had on here, but their reasoning behind it was it was celebrated by their ancestors. Nope, not at all.

It comes down to one thing: Live with it. It's not like your life is drastically changed, like your being threatened or hurt. So your offended, I got news for you: THAT'S LIFE.

Okay, I've stopped my ranting to go play CoD. Happy Christmas/Merry Holidays.

Bitter much? Anyway, when you get down to it, no holiday existed until someone thought of it and decided to celebrate. They're all man-made for human purposes, so what if Kwaanza is new, if they're still celebrating it 500 years from now, no one's going to bitch about it. You know, I can just hear some ancient Roman saying "and Christmas, people don't get me started. Back in the forum, my dad's mentor did some research on the "holiday". it doesn't exist..."

I guess your right, but I don't get that last part. Oh, it's sarcasm.

[ALMF]

It's just harmless fun, whats the harm in letting kids believe in alittle magic once a year?

At least letting kids believe in Santa is better than sucking all the fun out of the holidays like my uncle is doing.

Lies are never harmless. Harmless to you? Sure. Harmless to the person duped? Not at all.

There is a lot of fun to be had at the holiday without tortured lying. You know some dipshits get up on their roof and prance around like reindeer to fake out the kiddies?

That's bullshit.

Besides kids can still "believe" in a cursory way. Like I "believe" in Elmo.

^this

[ALMF]

Let me get this straight. Abrahamic monotheist religion has been doing some serious persecuting of others (including followers of other abrahamic monotheist religions or the 'wrong kind' of those who claim to follow the same abrahamic monotheist religion) in their 'war on unbelievers' which in a few denominations of monotheist abrahamic religion continues to this day.

And now, when somebody says 'happy holidays' instead 'merry christmeass', suddenly: OH NOEZ! WE IS BEING PERSECUTED!

And to think christmas trees are originally pagan symbols

^this too

[ALMF]

Then he could be expected to be as I explained or be an amalgamation of the local races.

'Israelite' isn't a racial term as more of a regional term.

He would have been, most likely, a semite.

And he would not have been white. *shakes fist at Catholic art of him as a white guy with a beard*

not if he was a asconisoi. genetic tests show safarts, kreds, cosacks, aribou and preshions are semites but not asconosi. sorry

[ALMF]

I jest like to see these "crismiss is under attack" 'people' experience the 'safety' atheists experience this time of year.
On second thout, I don't wish that on anyone.
I have a 3 yer old nease so if you want me to allow the attacks to protect the special rights of the religious you have another thing coming.
I once cold feal safe in this country as an atheist.
There is no grater force in the universe than a people striving for freedom; agenst this force governments, society, and evan gravity itself can not stand.
thou it take a thousand years, or a thousand times a thousand, evan a thousand times that, we will be free agen!

[Miklesia]

I jest like to see these "crismiss is under attack" 'people' experience the 'safety' atheists experience this time of year.
On second thout, I don't wish that on anyone.
I have a 3 yer old nease so if you want me to allow the attacks to protect the special rights of the religious you have another thing coming.
I once cold feal safe in this country as an atheist.
There is no grater force in the universe than a people striving for freedom; agenst this force governments, society, and evan gravity itself can not stand.
thou it take a thousand years, or a thousand times a thousand, evan a thousand times that, we will be free agen!

Okayyyyy........
If I understand this correctly, you think that atheists experience death threats. I'm not sure what country you're talking about, but in the US, we atheists aren't threatened with violence.

[United Dependencies]

I'm offended by both merry Christmas and happy holidays, mostly because I hate the whole damn season.

I hope you have the worst holiday season possible.

[Chyeknovostan Republic]

I do Yule, with some christmas ties into it, but I hate it when people walk up to me who are christian and say Im going to hell because Im pagan,that makes them no better