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[DRAFT #2] Examination Resits Required

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[DRAFT #2] Examination Resits Required

Postby Tinhampton » Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:19 pm

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[title]Examination Resits Required
[desc]The @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Youth Parliament (@@DEMONYMINITIALS@@YP) recently passed a bill to abolish fee-charging private schools, thereby referring it to the main legislature. In what has proven to be an all-too-familiar tale for @@DEMONYMINITIALS@@YP bills, however, its first reading has been pushed almost a year into the future, with Parliament prioritising debate on its own proposal about school fees.
[validity]must have a youth parliament (i.e. through selecting Option 1287.1), but must not have Autocracy

[option]"I can't believe how often they've tried to take away our power like this," complains @@RANDOMNAME_1@@, author of the heavily-expedited Parliament bill. "Can you imagine how much stress these youngsters have put us under by passing dozens of bills since Maxxmas recess ended, a great deal of which pattern themselves after our own drafts? @@LEADER@@, I suggest you try and get an agreement with the Speaker to stop any Youth Parliament bills from being considered until all of the bills from normal leglslators like me can have a fair say. It's not like their latest smart idea passed by three votes or anything... which it did, by the way."
[effect]@@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ politicians are united only in sleep deprivation

[option]"Somebody appears to have forgotten that we represent a co-equal branch of the legislature," points out @@RANDOMNAME_2@@, author of the heavily-delayed @@DEMONYMINITIALS@@YP bill. "Unfortunately, most people assume we don't: over 99% of all the bills ever passed by the Youth Parliament have died in Parliament itself! Paying us the same as regular legislators would certainly help our reputation, as would requiring that all Parliamentary bills receive the @@DEMONYMINITIALS@@YP's support before they can be passed. In the meanwhile, I'm sure I can strike an agreement with the Speaker to make sure our bill gets voted on as soon as the schedule allows..."
[effect]voting has become the most lucrative chore in @@NAME@@

[option]"Have you even READ THE KIDDIES' DEMANDS?" yells @@RANDOMNAME_3@@, your Minister for Easy Legislating. "They want to abolish all private schools immediately, but @@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@'s proposal only wanted to close the ones that wouldn't keep their fees below 300% of median income within five years! I certainly don't trust the youngsters to trick our upstanding and stubb—principled lawmakers into agreeing with their demands; it should be clear by now that abolishing this silly "youth parliament" and requiring children to listen to their superiors would go a long way in simplifying the rulemaking process."
[effect]behind every classroom door lurks a morass of bureaucracy
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:56 am

Now this, on the other hand, could well be contest fodder. I think it could, anyway; this draft's sat here for 22 months without so much as a peep from anyone.

IRL (emphasis added for emphasis): "For France's intellectual crème de la crème a place at the elite Ecole Nationale d'Administration (ENA) is coveted above all others... [but d]etermined to quell the gilets jaunes ("yellow vest") protest movement, President Emmanuel Macron has proposed abolishing the ENA, according to the text of an upcoming speech leaked to French media. "If we want to build a society of equal opportunity and national excellence, we must reset the rules for recruitment, careers and access to the upper echelons of the civil service," he is quoted as saying. "That's why we will change the system of training, selection and career development by getting rid of the ENA and several other institutions." The president's office has declined to comment on the leaked text. French media say it was to be in his address to the nation marking the conclusion of a two-month great debate. But the speech was postponed because of the Notre-Dame fire." (If anybody has any publically-available evidence to suggest that Macron ever went ahead with the speech, please telegram me or DM Tinhampton#7402 on Discord.)
[title]Examination Resits Required
[desc]Parliament recently scheduled a debate and vote on a bill to abolish fee-paying private schools, but it was indefinitely frozen after a fatal bombing nearby forced it to abandon business for the foreseeable future. The @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Youth Parliament (@@DEMONYMINITIALS@@YP) passed an almost-identical bill the following day, therefore requiring the main legislature to consider the issue when it next convenes - and sparking debate about what influence the @@DEMONYMINITIALS@@YP should enjoy over the lawmaking process.
[validity]must have a youth parliament (i.e. through selecting Option 1287.1), but must not have Autocracy

[option]"I can't believe they're trying to take away our power like this," complains @@RANDOMNAME_1@@, author of the ill-fated Parliament bill. "Can you imagine the backlog if the Youth Parliament were to ram through every single defeated bill over again? @@LEADER@@, I suggest you try and get an agreement with the Speaker to reconvene the Parliament immediately, and prevent any Youth Parliament bills from being considered until all of the bills from normal leglslators like me can have a fair say. It's not like their bill passed by three votes or anything... which it did, by the way."
[effect]@@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ politicians are united only in sleep deprivation

[option]"Somebody appears to have forgotten that we represent a co-equal branch of the legislature," points out @@RANDOMNAME_2@@, author of the @@DEMONYMINITIALS@@YP bill. "Unfortunately, most people assume we don't: over 99% of all the bills ever passed by the Youth Parliament have died in Parliament itself! Paying us the same as regular legislators would certainly help our reputation, as would requiring that all Parliamentary bills receive the @@DEMONYMINITIALS@@YP's support before they can be passed. In the meanwhile, I'm sure I can strike an agreement with the Speaker to reconvene the big Parliament immediately better than you can..."
[effect]voting has become the most lucrative chore in @@NAME@@

[option]"Have you even READ THE KIDDIES' DEMANDS?" yells @@RANDOMNAME_3@@, your Minister for Easy Legislating. "They want to abolish all private schools immediately, but @@RANDOMLASTNAME_1@@'s proposal only wanted to close the ones that wouldn't keep their fees below 300% of median income within five years! I certainly don't trust the youngsters to trick our upstanding and stubb—principled lawmakers into agreeing with their demands; it should be clear by now that abolishing this silly "youth parliament" and requiring children to listen to their superiors would go a long way in simplifying the rulemaking process."
[effect]behind every classroom door lurks a morass of bureaucracy
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:58 am

Tinhampton wrote:Parliament recently scheduled a debate and vote on a bill to abolish fee-paying private schools, but it was indefinitely frozen after a fatal bombing nearby forced it to abandon business for the foreseeable future.
Tinhampton wrote:"Can you imagine the backlog if the Youth Parliament were to ram through every single defeated bill over again?"
Huh? Voting on a bill being suspended because of an emergency required the evacuation of Parliament is very different from the bill being defeated. If operation of Parliament were suspended, then any bill it was debating at the time wouldn't have either passed or failed until normal operations resume. It doesn't make sense that Youth Parliament would need to resort to dirty tricks to make Parliament do its job... or if it does, then the blatant corruption within Parliament is a bigger problem that needs addressing than the role of Youth Parliament.

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Postby Electrum » Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:18 am

I agree with Trotterdam. To add, youth parliaments are not a universal concept. Given by the fact I had to google it and had no idea what it was from the premise of the issue.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:04 am

Electrum wrote:To add, youth parliaments are not a universal concept. Given by the fact I had to google it and had no idea what it was from the premise of the issue.
The draft as written is explicitly a followup for players who chose this option:
1. "The youth of @@NAME@@ feel disenfranchised from the institutions that make the decisions that affect their lives," begins a young girl, who is immediately interrupted by one of her classmates. "We propose that @@NAME@@ establish a youth parliament, with the power to submit bills for the consideration of the national parliament. This will ensure equal representation as well as a voice for today's youth."
Therefore this can be assumed to be part of the context available to the player.

However, as per my previous comment, if the intent is to write an issue about youth parliaments, then the dilemma should be changed to be something that would logically involve youth parliaments. If the intent is to write an issue about the normal parliament's behavior in case of an emergency, then I see no good reason to get a youth parliament involved in the matter, and it's better to scrap that part of the validity.

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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:35 am

Trotterdam's right in saying this issue is only for folks who already have a youth parliament. This issue's also been re-viewpointed as a result of his original comment; parliamentary response to emergencies is an interesting enough topic and one which I may come to in a future non-contest draft, but no guarantees.
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:24 am

Tinhampton wrote:abolish fee-paying private schools
Do you perhaps mean "fee-charging", not "fee-paying"?

Tinhampton wrote:almost all of which pattern themselves after our own drafts?
Is this actually true (the youth parliament bill was only written after the main parliament's bill was drafted, and was deliberately based on it), or is the speaker full of himself?

I notice that the youth parliamentician doesn't actually contradict this claim.

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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:55 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:abolish fee-paying private schools
Do you perhaps mean "fee-charging", not "fee-paying"?

Tinhampton wrote:almost all of which pattern themselves after our own drafts?
Is this actually true (the youth parliament bill was only written after the main parliament's bill was drafted, and was deliberately based on it), or is the speaker full of himself?

I notice that the youth parliamentician doesn't actually contradict this claim.

1. Yes.

2. The Parliament bill is distinct from the Youth Parliament bill rather than one being a flat-out copy of the other; this much is acknowledged in Option 3. As an interim solution, the MP at issue now only insists that "a great deal" of YP bills resemble Parliament bills.
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:03 am

Tinhampton wrote:2. The Parliament bill is distinct from the Youth Parliament bill rather than one being a flat-out copy of the other; this much is acknowledged in Option 3. As an interim solution, the MP at issue now only insists that "a great deal" of YP bills resemble Parliament bills.
I didn't mean that the bill was a perfect copy, just that it was similar enough in content that it was a direct response. As in, "we saw that they're already debating this subject, therefore let's try to get our own two words in edgewise", versus "we think that this subject is important and they should start debating it, so we're bringing it to their attention".

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Postby West Barack and East Obama » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:36 pm

How does paying the Youth Parliament members more improve their reputation? I think that's better as a cheeky greedy side comment at the end.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:02 am

- Option 1: I'm not sure the YP referring its bills to the legislature comes across as "trying to take away" the legislature's power. The argument that the YP bills resemble the real bills also seems like it would be a good thing, rather than a bad thing, as it would make reconciliation of the bills much easier. To me at least, this feels like a much bigger issue if the YP passed a bill proposing one thing, and the legislature then rushed a blocker in that does something totally different to prevent the young peoples' ideas from coming to pass.

- Am I right in thinking that speaker 2 is just completely full of themselves and deliberately lying? The YP is not a co-equal branch of government, nor does the option to create them suggest anything of the sort. This looks to be an option to demand that the YP be treated as co-equal, which contradicts itself somewhat as a result. I'd try to insert some hints to that effect in the text.

- Option 3: There's something odd about the phrase "I don't trust the youngsters to trick..." and I'm not sure it adds much. Perhaps something pointing out how adults have the wisdom to understand that extreme measures / black and white solutions aren't the best would better support the request to abolish the YP.

- The effect lines don't entirely work for me. The third one in particular seems to go contrary to the player's decision, which is about reducing bureaucracy to simplify the legislative process.


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