by Caelestius » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:44 pm
by Lackadaisical2 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:48 pm
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by Glorious Homeland » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:52 pm
Caelestius wrote:America could be considered a mixed economy, having a large welfare system while benefiting from a diverse capitalistic system where one can rise or fall on their own merits. Is the U.S. an ideal model for the "best" economic system?
by Caelestius » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:56 pm
Glorious Homeland wrote:Caelestius wrote:America could be considered a mixed economy, having a large welfare system while benefiting from a diverse capitalistic system where one can rise or fall on their own merits. Is the U.S. an ideal model for the "best" economic system?
Lol no, The USA is the furthest from a mixed economy of its western peers. Germany is probably the best mixed economy out there. The USA is behind the west in terms of education, income inequality, welfare and what have you. The UK is just... shit these days. France is basically an enormous quasi-public companies and large number of multinationals that are defended as if they were the personification of the French president himself, Japan is messed up economically and sociologically, and Australia is sitting pretty and hard to translate with its abundance of natural resources.
by Panzerjaeger » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:57 pm
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by Josh Sinister » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:58 pm
by Conserative Morality » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:59 pm
by Molytopiat » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:05 pm
Caelestius wrote:Glorious Homeland wrote:Lol no, The USA is the furthest from a mixed economy of its western peers. Germany is probably the best mixed economy out there. The USA is behind the west in terms of education, income inequality, welfare and what have you. The UK is just... shit these days. France is basically an enormous quasi-public companies and large number of multinationals that are defended as if they were the personification of the French president himself, Japan is messed up economically and sociologically, and Australia is sitting pretty and hard to translate with its abundance of natural resources.
So you believe that Germany has the best model economical speaking, even better then the U.S. superpower?
by South Norwega » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:07 pm
Caelestius wrote:Glorious Homeland wrote:Lol no, The USA is the furthest from a mixed economy of its western peers. Germany is probably the best mixed economy out there. The USA is behind the west in terms of education, income inequality, welfare and what have you. The UK is just... shit these days. France is basically an enormous quasi-public companies and large number of multinationals that are defended as if they were the personification of the French president himself, Japan is messed up economically and sociologically, and Australia is sitting pretty and hard to translate with its abundance of natural resources.
So you believe that Germany has the best model economical speaking, even better then the U.S. superpower?
by Lackadaisical2 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:07 pm
Molytopiat wrote:Caelestius wrote:
So you believe that Germany has the best model economical speaking, even better then the U.S. superpower?
Patriotism is great and all, but you should step back and take a good look at your economy. Dont let the way you feel about your country effect your logical thinking.
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by Caelestius » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:17 pm
by Gothic Space Empire » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:19 pm
by New Genoa » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:20 pm
Caelestius wrote:Lackadaisical2 wrote:Our economy is still better than Germany's, imo. We just have shitty employment numbers.
When you say "we", I assume you mean the U.S.
I agree that U.S. has a better economy, we are the number one wealthiest country in the world so we must be doing something right.
by Rolling squid » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:23 pm
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by Caelestius » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:27 pm
Gothic Space Empire wrote:This is two questions really. One could have a welfare system while having everything else run by corporations.
I'm a pragmatist. I think the benefit of businesses comes from their competition, so in any area where competition is not possible, things should be managed by a different type of organisation.
Providing welfare is simply a way of ensuring people can eat, get medical treatment, etc. Even if virtually everything in a country is run by businesses, that's still no excuse for letting people suffer.
Actually, a third aspect of this is the strictness of the rules a business must abide by - I believe that business rules should be strict, but they should also be simple - otherwise it would make it difficult for small businesses that can't afford as much money for lawyers.
Yes, we still have an empire, whereas the Germans really do not.
by The Deleted Chris » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:27 pm
by Occupied Deutschland » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:28 pm
by New Manvir » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:36 pm
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by Gothic Space Empire » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:45 pm
Caelestius wrote:Also, does the existence of a welfare system, no matter how well-intentioned, contribute to apathy and laziness?
by Servantium » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:49 pm
The Deleted Chris wrote:Capitalism tempered by government to prevent monopolies and maintain a competitive market.
by The Deleted Chris » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:55 pm
Servantium wrote:The Deleted Chris wrote:Capitalism tempered by government to prevent monopolies and maintain a competitive market.
Oppressive monopolies wouldn't exist in a pure capitalist society.
Anyways, Capitalism is the best system because it's the only one that doesn't involve initiation of force to function.
by Caelestius » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:58 pm
Gothic Space Empire wrote:Caelestius wrote:Also, does the existence of a welfare system, no matter how well-intentioned, contribute to apathy and laziness?
I don't think so. Some lazy people might try to take advantage, but it didn't make them lazy. Apathy is an attitude problem. If people see jobs as nothing but a way to get money, and only minimum wage jobs are available to them, they don't have much incentive. If jobs were instead seen as a means to be a valued member of a happy society, it'd be a lot more appealing.
by Maurepas » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:00 pm
by Servantium » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:05 pm
The Deleted Chris wrote:Servantium wrote:Oppressive monopolies wouldn't exist in a pure capitalist society.
Anyways, Capitalism is the best system because it's the only one that doesn't involve initiation of force to function.
Yes, but since I live in the real world, I see no reason to accept libertarian utopias any more than I would socialist.
by Mike the Progressive » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:07 pm
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I prefer a mixed economy, but very strongly leaning to capitalist.
National defense and law creation/enforcement shouldn't be left completely to private individuals, imo.
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