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Will Kevin McCarthy Remain Speaker?

Yes
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29%
Yes, But He'll Have Democratic Support
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No
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Total votes : 87

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:08 am

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What is the actual truth?

Well most of the time the claim is people who aren't necessarily LGBT themselves (i.e. teachers, media corporations, parents) are trying to make kids LGBT, and in some cases that is abuse. So it isn't going to be LGBT people getting rounded up like apparently some people in this thread are alluding to - in the minds of the right, they're more often the victims, not the perpetrators.

I've heard both claims. Neither of them are grounded in reality, but fearmongering can be like that.
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Postby 8373 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:13 am

Necroghastia wrote:
8373 wrote:Well most of the time the claim is people who aren't necessarily LGBT themselves (i.e. teachers, media corporations, parents) are trying to make kids LGBT, and in some cases that is abuse. So it isn't going to be LGBT people getting rounded up like apparently some people in this thread are alluding to - in the minds of the right, they're more often the victims, not the perpetrators.

The internet... social media... is one hell of a drug. I agree with him.
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Postby Neu California » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:16 am

8373 wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:

The internet... social media... is one hell of a drug. I agree with him.

You agree with him that trans people are Satan's demons and imps? wow, just... wow
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:17 am

8373 wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:

The internet... social media... is one hell of a drug. I agree with him.

Way to contradict the statement you just made. You're not doing a great job proving "the left" wrong here.
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Postby 8373 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:30 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
8373 wrote:The internet... social media... is one hell of a drug. I agree with him.

Way to contradict the statement you just made. You're not doing a great job proving "the left" wrong here.

There's no contradiction. Most religious people don't see people possessed with devils as evil themselves, but victims of a malady that has taken hold of their mind.
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Postby -Astoria- » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:37 am

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:Way to contradict the statement you just made. You're not doing a great job proving "the left" wrong here.

There's no contradiction. Most religious people don't see people possessed with devils as evil themselves, but victims of a malady that has taken hold of their mind.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, though Barnaby appears to refer to them directly as such, without such reservations.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:52 am

8373 wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Way to contradict the statement you just made. You're not doing a great job proving "the left" wrong here.

There's no contradiction. Most religious people don't see people possessed with devils as evil themselves, but victims of a malady that has taken hold of their mind.

This might be a good time to reiterate that he directly called trans people devils and mutants from another planet. No one's gonna fall for the holier-than-thou "love the sinner, hate the sin" shit here because he's not even trying to be subtle.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:21 am

8373 wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Way to contradict the statement you just made. You're not doing a great job proving "the left" wrong here.

There's no contradiction. Most religious people don't see people possessed with devils as evil themselves, but victims of a malady that has taken hold of their mind.

Yeah, this condescending little out you've given yourself for hate of 'hate the sin, love the sinner'...only you buy it.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:47 am

8373 wrote:
Corrian wrote:There's a bit of concern over a new death penalty law in Florida, because its for child abusers but they're also painting every LGBT person as a "Child abuser", so uh. What do they consider to be a "Child abuser"?

Nah, that's more of a leftist trope than anything else.


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:53 am


No, but you see, you're just offering the care providers with the death penalty. Then you don't have to kill the transgender kids because as their entire state legislates against who they are, that feeling of isolation and being broken without any outlet or compassion except to be called either a literal demon or demon possessed by the people pretending to care about you, well, you're more likely to just kill yourself and then they can pretend that blood isn't on their hands. They just created a condition where transgender kids had no outlet or option except to hide themselves, deny themselves, or kill themselves.

So you see, it's all hysteria...
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Postby Fractalnavel » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:03 am

One might think (hope?) that there'd be some provision for the feds to step in when a state has gone off the deep end. States do it to their sub-polities all the time.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:57 am

Fractalnavel wrote:One might think (hope?) that there'd be some provision for the feds to step in when a state has gone off the deep end. States do it to their sub-polities all the time.


What is it you’d like them to do?

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:20 am

San Lumen wrote:
Fractalnavel wrote:One might think (hope?) that there'd be some provision for the feds to step in when a state has gone off the deep end. States do it to their sub-polities all the time.


What is it you’d like them to do?

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Postby Page » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:59 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
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The most criminally corrupt Senator in the country and they want her to resign because she's old. Even when Democrats are right about someone needing to go, they're just broken clock right.

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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:01 am

Corrian wrote:Why does Youngkin have a positive approval rating???


Because he's fairly popular in the State? I mean, compared to other types of Republicans, he's more on the moderate side, even if some of positions are extreme. But keep in mind too, Democrats do control the State Senate so it's not like he can enact whatever he wants: he is forced to work with Democrats so I think that is contributing why his approval rating is higher.
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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:32 am

Neu California wrote:
8373 wrote:The internet... social media... is one hell of a drug. I agree with him.

You agree with him that trans people are Satan's demons and imps? wow, just... wow

incubi, succubi, asmodians, genies, djinns, daemons, imps, goblins, and other associated beasts of the night when the transgenders roll up:

Zurkerx wrote:
Corrian wrote:Why does Youngkin have a positive approval rating???


Because he's fairly popular in the State? I mean, compared to other types of Republicans, he's more on the moderate side, even if some of positions are extreme. But keep in mind too, Democrats do control the State Senate so it's not like he can enact whatever he wants: he is forced to work with Democrats so I think that is contributing why his approval rating is higher.

also, from my experience living here, literally nobody cares enough about him to have a strong opinion. i forgot he was governor until somebody mentioned it the other day.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:36 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:

No, but you see, you're just offering the care providers with the death penalty. Then you don't have to kill the transgender kids because as their entire state legislates against who they are, that feeling of isolation and being broken without any outlet or compassion except to be called either a literal demon or demon possessed by the people pretending to care about you, well, you're more likely to just kill yourself and then they can pretend that blood isn't on their hands. They just created a condition where transgender kids had no outlet or option except to hide themselves, deny themselves, or kill themselves.

So you see, it's all hysteria...


Also the bit where they wanted to make an LGBT person just being in certain places where children are also present a sexual offence against children.
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Postby Sacred Bavaria » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:26 am

Hispida wrote:
Neu California wrote:You agree with him that trans people are Satan's demons and imps? wow, just... wow

incubi, succubi, asmodians, genies, djinns, daemons, imps, goblins, and other associated beasts of the night when the transgenders roll up:

Zurkerx wrote:
Because he's fairly popular in the State? I mean, compared to other types of Republicans, he's more on the moderate side, even if some of positions are extreme. But keep in mind too, Democrats do control the State Senate so it's not like he can enact whatever he wants: he is forced to work with Democrats so I think that is contributing why his approval rating is higher.

also, from my experience living here, literally nobody cares enough about him to have a strong opinion. i forgot he was governor until somebody mentioned it the other day.


To quote from a smut story that I read a few times online....I, for one, welcome our new demon overlords. After all, Satan tends to have a better fan club than Jesus.
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Postby United States Reborn » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:56 am

Sacred Bavaria wrote:
Hispida wrote:incubi, succubi, asmodians, genies, djinns, daemons, imps, goblins, and other associated beasts of the night when the transgenders roll up:


also, from my experience living here, literally nobody cares enough about him to have a strong opinion. i forgot he was governor until somebody mentioned it the other day.


To quote from a smut story that I read a few times online....I, for one, welcome our new demon overlords. After all, Satan tends to have a better fan club than Jesus.

Leftists seem to work really hard to prove everyone else's points about them.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:57 am

Sacred Bavaria wrote:
Hispida wrote:incubi, succubi, asmodians, genies, djinns, daemons, imps, goblins, and other associated beasts of the night when the transgenders roll up:


also, from my experience living here, literally nobody cares enough about him to have a strong opinion. i forgot he was governor until somebody mentioned it the other day.


To quote from a smut story that I read a few times online....I, for one, welcome our new demon overlords. After all, Satan tends to have a better fan club than Jesus.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:04 am

Vassenor wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:No, but you see, you're just offering the care providers with the death penalty. Then you don't have to kill the transgender kids because as their entire state legislates against who they are, that feeling of isolation and being broken without any outlet or compassion except to be called either a literal demon or demon possessed by the people pretending to care about you, well, you're more likely to just kill yourself and then they can pretend that blood isn't on their hands. They just created a condition where transgender kids had no outlet or option except to hide themselves, deny themselves, or kill themselves.

So you see, it's all hysteria...


Also the bit where they wanted to make an LGBT person just being in certain places where children are also present a sexual offence against children.


When did anyone say this?

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Postby Rusozak » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:12 am

8373 wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What is the actual truth?

Well most of the time the claim is people who aren't necessarily LGBT themselves (i.e. teachers, media corporations, parents) are trying to make kids LGBT, and in some cases that is abuse. So it isn't going to be LGBT people getting rounded up like apparently some people in this thread are alluding to - in the minds of the right, they're more often the victims, not the perpetrators.


Of course they're the victims from their point of view. First you other a group. Then you play them up to be an existential threat to everyone else's way of life. Make people believe that removing the target group is not only justified, but necessary. Then you dehumanize them and strip their rights. And then you round them all up.

This is genocide 101.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:14 am

United States Reborn wrote:
Sacred Bavaria wrote:
To quote from a smut story that I read a few times online....I, for one, welcome our new demon overlords. After all, Satan tends to have a better fan club than Jesus.

Leftists seem to work really hard to prove everyone else's points about them.


I'm not following your point here.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:20 am

United States Reborn wrote:
Sacred Bavaria wrote:
To quote from a smut story that I read a few times online....I, for one, welcome our new demon overlords. After all, Satan tends to have a better fan club than Jesus.

Leftists seem to work really hard to prove everyone else's points about them.

I think he’s telling a joke…

Of course, I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

I must say, the far right, literal fascist, certainly works hard to prove everyone’s points about his “roblox-tier” lines.
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Postby Volksprussia » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:28 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
United States Reborn wrote:Leftists seem to work really hard to prove everyone else's points about them.

I think he’s telling a joke…

Of course, I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

I must say, the far right, literal fascist, certainly works hard to prove everyone’s points about his “roblox-tier” lines.


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