the problem with communism and the Pacific regions

[AfterTheFall]

so I take it the Pacific regions align themselves with communists (The Pacific has in fact an embassy with The Communist Bloc) and participate in regional invasions with them.

https://i.imgur.com/vZ4rRSO.png (img tags don't work for me, "Your account is too new to post images.")

I can't even tell what problem they had with this region other that it was anti-communist.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220821185 ... _the_world
interesting fact that RL antifa basically defines "fascist" as "non-communist"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
"Under the leadership of Ernst Thälmann, the KPD became a Stalinist party that was fiercely loyal to the Soviet government. Since 1928, the KPD was largely controlled and funded by the Soviet government through the Comintern. [...] the KPD regarded the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) as its main adversary and adopted the position that the SPD was the main fascist party in Germany.[13] This was based on the theory of social fascism that had been proclaimed by Joseph Stalin and that was supported by the Comintern during the late 1920s and early 1930s, which held that social democracy was a variant of fascism.[14] Consequently, the KPD held that it was "the only anti-fascist party" in Germany[6][15] and stated that "fighting fascism means fighting the SPD just as much as it means fighting Hitler and the parties of Brüning."[16] In KPD and Soviet usage, fascism was primarily viewed as the final stage of capitalism rather than a specific group or movement such as the Italian Fascists or the German Nazis and, based on this theory, the term was applied quite broadly."

https://i.imgur.com/VKafwVA.png

IMO they should be neutral since it's unfair that they get an endless influx of new members. It's also unfair that they seek to monopolize it.

https://i.imgur.com/iWTDhID.png

[Khardsland]

To me, you just seem like a guy who doesn't like it when people RP the way they want. If you hate commies so much, just make your own capitalist region.

[Edush]

I see what your point is, but do you have proof of other cases when this happened? If this only happened once, it might have been another reason for why the Pacific regions attacked that region.
Also the fact that they try to monopolize the influx of new nations is bad, I have to agree with you on that. They should present the fact that you can ban recruitment telegrams since they can actually become annoying, but they shouldn't present this as a crucial step in your stay in that particular Pacific region.

[AfterTheFall]

To me, you just seem like a guy who doesn't like it when people RP the way they want. If you hate commies so much, just make your own capitalist region.

yes, I can make a capitalist region, but the game wouldn't automatically assign hundreds of new nations to it.

I see what your point is, but do you have proof of other cases when this happened? If this only happened once, it might have been another reason for why the Pacific regions attacked that region.

I didn't take the time to investigate this further, just happened to see Today's Featured Region. Anyway, the fact that they're invading regions at all, for whatever reason, seems like a problem to me, because as I said they have a massive unfair advantage over other regions.

[The Church of Satan]

If I had to guess, I'd say the raids of the region have something to do with a number of racially-charged posts by the region's founder. It was only a cursory search, but it's more than enough justification for NS ANTIFA. For the record, NS ANTIFA's advantage is derived from the fact that many regions work with them. This contributes to their numbers. It's not unique to them, nor is it unfair. They are simply an interregional coalition of like-minded players taking collective action. It's a very basic component of raiding and defending (that's R/D to you) that dates back to the very beginning of R/D, 20 years ago.

[Jar Wattinree]

General is that way.

[AfterTheFall]

General is that way.

description of this forum is "Talk about regional management and politics, raider/defender gameplay, and other game-related matters.", this thread is about how game mechanics favor a political clique of players.

[WayNeacTia]

General is that way.

description of this forum is "Talk about regional management and politics, raider/defender gameplay, and other game-related matters.", this thread is about how game mechanics favor a political clique of players.

No... They really don't. The game functions the exact same way for everyone. Communist regions do not receive any special tools to allow them to raid fascist regions. I will admit, this is a new complaint I have never heard before....

[AfterTheFall]

No... They really don't. The game functions the exact same way for everyone. Communist regions do not receive any special tools to allow them to raid fascist regions. I will admit, this is a new complaint I have never heard before....

The game functions favor the clique currently in charge of the Pacific regions. It could be covert fascists, invading regions because "they seemed like communists to me", and then communists would complain. But a different clique would face a tremendous challenge to garner support for a regime change, because they don't get new members out of nowhere, they have to work to get them and Pacific regions make it harder.

"WELCOME TO THE WEST PACIFIC

Let's get you settled in to your new home.

Step 1 - visit page=tgsettings and change Recruitment to "block all."

Step 2 - head over to page=un and join the World Assembly. Follow the prompts and check your email!

Step 3 - go to Overthinkers and click the 'Endorse Overthinkers' button."

My suggestion: enforced neutrality for the Pacific regions, no embassies, not tags, no ejections, no welcome telegram, WA Delegate can edit the World Factbook Entry but there would be an uneditable introductory part.

[Luminarum]

My suggestion: enforced neutrality for the Pacific regions, no embassies, not tags, no ejections, no welcome telegram, WA Delegate can edit the World Factbook Entry but there would be an uneditable introductory part.

You're aware that this will never happen?

[Jar Wattinree]

My suggestion: enforced neutrality for the Pacific regions, no embassies, not tags, no ejections, no welcome telegram, WA Delegate can edit the World Factbook Entry but there would be an uneditable introductory part.

There’s also a Technical forum you can put this in as a suggestion but you’ll be laughed out of the game because technical inertia of twenty years or so is a hard thing to change. However, there’s a Technical thread called “Frontiers/Strongholds” that’s attempting to do what you’ve suggested about nation spawns. It’s in its final phase of testing and should be live eventually.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

I can't even tell what problem they had with this region other that it was anti-communist.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220821185 ... _the_world

The founder tagged the place Fascist, so I'm guessing that's the reason.

[Mlakhavia]

General is that way.

description of this forum is "Talk about regional management and politics, raider/defender gameplay, and other game-related matters.", this thread is about how game mechanics favor a political clique of players.

They don't. They just favour the people in charge of the various Feeders and Sinkers. Plenty of other regions have done fine because they were managed well by people who knew what you were doing. You are just worse at the game than them and have decided to transform it into a political tirade about Communists.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

No... They really don't. The game functions the exact same way for everyone. Communist regions do not receive any special tools to allow them to raid fascist regions. I will admit, this is a new complaint I have never heard before....

The game functions favor the clique currently in charge of the Pacific regions. It could be covert fascists, invading regions because "they seemed like communists to me", and then communists would complain. But a different clique would face a tremendous challenge to garner support for a regime change, because they don't get new members out of nowhere, they have to work to get them and Pacific regions make it harder.

"WELCOME TO THE WEST PACIFIC

Let's get you settled in to your new home.

Step 1 - visit page=tgsettings and change Recruitment to "block all."

Step 2 - head over to page=un and join the World Assembly. Follow the prompts and check your email!

Step 3 - go to Overthinkers and click the 'Endorse Overthinkers' button."

My suggestion: enforced neutrality for the Pacific regions, no embassies, not tags, no ejections, no welcome telegram, WA Delegate can edit the World Factbook Entry but there would be an uneditable introductory part.

They'll never give up their power willingly, but will gladly crush anyone that tries to take it from them.

[Mlakhavia]

The game functions favor the clique currently in charge of the Pacific regions. It could be covert fascists, invading regions because "they seemed like communists to me", and then communists would complain. But a different clique would face a tremendous challenge to garner support for a regime change, because they don't get new members out of nowhere, they have to work to get them and Pacific regions make it harder.

"WELCOME TO THE WEST PACIFIC

Let's get you settled in to your new home.

Step 1 - visit page=tgsettings and change Recruitment to "block all."

Step 2 - head over to page=un and join the World Assembly. Follow the prompts and check your email!

Step 3 - go to Overthinkers and click the 'Endorse Overthinkers' button."

My suggestion: enforced neutrality for the Pacific regions, no embassies, not tags, no ejections, no welcome telegram, WA Delegate can edit the World Factbook Entry but there would be an uneditable introductory part.

They'll never give up their power willingly, but will gladly crush anyone that tries to take it from them.

Welcome to geopolitics.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

They'll never give up their power willingly, but will gladly crush anyone that tries to take it from them.

Welcome to geopolitics.

Naturally the people that are like minded see no problem with them having such massive amounts of power, and they would just as soon throw a fit about it if the situation was flipped and their opposition were the ones that held such power.

[Mlakhavia]

Welcome to geopolitics.

Naturally the people that are like minded see no problem with them having such massive amounts of power, and they would just as soon throw a fit about it if the situation was flipped and their opposition were the ones that held such power.

The region I'm in has had multiple spats with certain Feeders and other regions, this isn't a factional thing. I am just pointing out the general rule that a geopolitical simulator will, in fact, have sources of power that people will seek to attain and maintain. You have failed at this whereas other, better Gameplayers have succeeded. Your only recourse therefore is moaning about it on the forums, because that's all you'll ever be able to do.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

Naturally the people that are like minded see no problem with them having such massive amounts of power, and they would just as soon throw a fit about it if the situation was flipped and their opposition were the ones that held such power.

The region I'm in has had multiple spats with certain Feeders and other regions, this isn't a factional thing. I am just pointing out the general rule that a geopolitical simulator will, in fact, have sources of power that people will seek to attain and maintain. You have failed at this whereas other, better Gameplayers have succeeded. Your only recourse therefore is moaning about it on the forums, because that's all you'll ever be able to do.

I was agreeing with your post since I'm well aware of how Geopolitics works. Didn't need to be rude or arrogant with your response.

[Mlakhavia]

The region I'm in has had multiple spats with certain Feeders and other regions, this isn't a factional thing. I am just pointing out the general rule that a geopolitical simulator will, in fact, have sources of power that people will seek to attain and maintain. You have failed at this whereas other, better Gameplayers have succeeded. Your only recourse therefore is moaning about it on the forums, because that's all you'll ever be able to do.

I was agreeing with your post since I'm well aware of how Geopolitics works. Didn't need to be rude or arrogant with your response.

Shrug, you're in charge of a well-known fascist region, and you've got a long history of bigotry across the platform, so I don't feel obliged to be courteous, or, really, to continue this exchange -- good day.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

I was agreeing with your post since I'm well aware of how Geopolitics works. Didn't need to be rude or arrogant with your response.

Shrug, you're in charge of a well-known fascist region, and you've got a long history of bigotry across the platform, so I don't feel obliged to be courteous, or, really, to continue this exchange -- good day.

In actuality we're not Fascists since we don't even come close to lining up with the ideology. But according to Leftists that think anyone not with them is just a Racist/Nazi/Fascist, whether secretly or otherwise, then yeah I suppose so since we're not Leftists, we're opposed to Leftism, and we're Capitalists, though still, we're not Fascists. Never have been, and never will be as long as I'm still around. And if bigotry means unwavering Christian then yes. Also I at least try (as difficult as it is, and despite how often I fail at it) to be courteous towards people even if I disagree with them for the sake of trying to be a decent human being and for the sake of showing kindness and love to them. And in light of that I bid you good day genuinely.

[The North Polish Union]

My suggestion: enforced neutrality for the Pacific regions, no embassies, not tags, no ejections, no welcome telegram, WA Delegate can edit the World Factbook Entry but there would be an uneditable introductory part.

Real-life politics aside I have been a supporter of a plan very much like this for years. Nations should be spawned into a holding zone from which they should be forced to join a real region that was actually built up by an invested community rather than a clique of moderately-successful endotarters.

My great hope with the upcoming frontiers is that the feederites' power will finally be broken, which for years they've used to try to bully regions that actually work to build their community rather than being gifted nations.

--

As an aside related to your discussion specifically about The Pacific, it is also interesting to realise that for roughly 15 years the region venerated Francos Spain to a truly absurd degree. In the last couple years the region has tended to keep more quiet about this however.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

A couple of ideas I've had would be if founders/delegates could pay a subscription to have their regions turned into a feeder for however long they pay that subscription, or if nations could spawn in regions at random unless those regions had a password or could toggle something else to make it that nations wouldn't spawn in their regions.

[The Church of Satan]

No... They really don't. The game functions the exact same way for everyone. Communist regions do not receive any special tools to allow them to raid fascist regions. I will admit, this is a new complaint I have never heard before....

The game functions favor the clique currently in charge of the Pacific regions. It could be covert fascists, invading regions because "they seemed like communists to me", and then communists would complain. But a different clique would face a tremendous challenge to garner support for a regime change, because they don't get new members out of nowhere, they have to work to get them and Pacific regions make it harder.

"WELCOME TO THE WEST PACIFIC

Let's get you settled in to your new home.

Step 1 - visit page=tgsettings and change Recruitment to "block all."

Step 2 - head over to page=un and join the World Assembly. Follow the prompts and check your email!

Step 3 - go to Overthinkers and click the 'Endorse Overthinkers' button."

My suggestion: enforced neutrality for the Pacific regions, no embassies, not tags, no ejections, no welcome telegram, WA Delegate can edit the World Factbook Entry but there would be an uneditable introductory part.

Here's the thing: the game needed regions where new players spawn. That's a fact.

The West Pacific (as well as other regions) advise people to block recruitment telegrams because for exactly as long as recruitment telegrams have existed, players have complained about their inboxes being flooded with recruitment telegrams. Every new player eventually asks how to block them. Usually sooner rather than later. That's a fact.

The West Pacific, as well as every other region, encourages players to join the World Assembly and endorse their delegate because it helps keep the region secure. In general, it's a source of stability for regions. This isn't some manner of unfair or oppressive policy.

Addressing the crux of your position: NationStates has had many very large user-created regions over the years. The formula is simple enough, though the execution is naturally difficult for any region:

1.) Make a region.
2.) Make it interesting enough to attract players.
3.) Send recruitment telegrams.
4.) Keep the region interesting or fun in order to retain those players.

This formula is rather old, and the premise simplistic. Do you know what the greatest contributor to every game-created region's big numbers is? It's players that stay where they are and only answer issues. They contribute nothing to their regions. Which is fine. It's how they want to play and there's nothing wrong with that. But their regions gain nothing from it. So they got more people doing nothing for the region than most other regions. Big deal. It's not unheard of for a user-created region to have more contributing players than one of the Feeder regions.

[AfterTheFall]

Here's the thing: the game needed regions where new players spawn. That's a fact.

Under my suggestion there would still be regions where new players spawn, more inclusive to everyone regardless of their political leaning, and security wouldn't be a problem since if someone pulls a coup, the delegate and his backers can't be ejected. To clarify, under my suggestion Region-Wide Telegrams would still be possible, so a delegate can notify the region members if there's something going on.

The West Pacific (as well as other regions) advise people to block recruitment telegrams because for exactly as long as recruitment telegrams have existed, players have complained about their inboxes being flooded with recruitment telegrams. Every new player eventually asks how to block them. Usually sooner rather than later. That's a fact.

"Every new player", I doubt that, telegrams are easy to ignore, you don't have to read them and they soon cease anyway. Thing is some players may be suited to stay in a pacific region and be one among thousands, being invisible with nobody paying attention to them, others are suited for smaller regions where they are noticed, where they can make a difference. I can understand a PS but making it step 1 seems like an abuse of authority for me, gullible players missing out on offers and turning into those apathetic issue responders or quitting the game instead taking an active role in other regions.

[Jar Wattinree]

Every new player eventually asks how to block them. Usually sooner rather than later. That's a fact.

"Every new player", I doubt that, telegrams are easy to ignore, you don't have to read them and they soon cease anyway.

You are not a new player if you’ve already forgotten that the telegram inbox is capped at twenty telegrams or that new player inboxes are instantly maxed out within a few minutes of creation and continues until a few days after.

Unless you pay, at which point you cease being new.