UK Politics Thread X: Boris party report released

[The Huskar Social Union]

"NEW This is hugely significant.

DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson has told the ERG today that the DUP will not rejoin power-sharing in Northern Ireland, Tory MPs say." - Christopher Hope

Its an absolute joke that one party can continue to hold everyone and everything in NI hostage, especially over something so pathetically sectarian as no longer holding the office of First Minister. See if they dont want to run the government, fuck them into the opposition. Let everyone else get on with it. The system of Mandatory Coalition for Stormont needs scrapped immediately.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Johnson, Liz Truss, and Jacob Rees-Mogg will vote against Sunak's Windsor Framework. I seem to remember them all being quite keen on removing the whip from party members voting against their stuff.

[Saor Alba]

Dominic Cummings reporting that Steve Baker was vocally upset about being removed from the ERG Whatsapp group

[The Huskar Social Union]

Jim Shannon, of the DUP, has tabled a parliamentary motion to commemorate.... the 50th anniversary of Dolly Parton's "I will always love you"

Just...

[The Huskar Social Union]

Dominic Cummings reporting that Steve Baker was vocally upset about being removed from the ERG Whatsapp group

lmao

[The Huskar Social Union]

At a glance the rebellion against Rishi Sunak from within his own party looks to have been underwhelming.

If 29 MPs voted against the government, and 6 of those were likely to be DUP MPs, the true number of Tories voting against Mr Sunk may be around a maximum of 23.

The key number for Mr Sunak is his working majority in Parliament, around 67. His critics in his party would need half that to be able to threaten his majority. They didn’t get it.

Mr Sunak may sleep a little easy tonight.

So much for that rebellion

[Hirota]

Braverman claims that “institutional racism” is an an unhelpful term to use when talking about the racism problem endemic in the Met, and jokingly suggests the KKK was just misunderstood.

Read the fucking room.

Please, I beg you, watch the fucking clips you post. She didn't shit about the KKK in that 1 minute 12 second video. It probably took longer to post that than it would've taken you to watch that and see she didn't say anything about it.

Now Hirota is going to come along, quote you and be very smug about it.

Sometimes it's just too easy and obvious to point out when TwitterBot Vassenor fails to work out basic comprehension such as what is satire or actually take the time to watch a video.

Still, it does bring a smile to my face when other people point it out too, really does help demonstrate a repeated trend of basic incompetence by this poster.

[Forsher]

Please, I beg you, watch the fucking clips you post. She didn't shit about the KKK in that 1 minute 12 second video. It probably took longer to post that than it would've taken you to watch that and see she didn't say anything about it.

Now Hirota is going to come along, quote you and be very smug about it.

Sometimes it's just too easy and obvious to point out when TwitterBot Vassenor fails to work out basic comprehension such as what is satire or actually take the time to watch a video.

Still, it does bring a smile to my face when other people point it out too, really does help demonstrate a repeated trend of basic incompetence by this poster.

I think you should be quite concerned that "Suella Braverman jokes that the KKK were misunderstood" is subject to Poe's Law, given she's the Home Secretary.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

I think I had a chain like the one Harriet Harman is wearing in GTA: San Andreas.

Laughs at Sunak taking the opportunity of the distraction provided by Johnson's grilling to publish his tax information.

[Hirota]

Sometimes it's just too easy and obvious to point out when TwitterBot Vassenor fails to work out basic comprehension such as what is satire or actually take the time to watch a video.

Still, it does bring a smile to my face when other people point it out too, really does help demonstrate a repeated trend of basic incompetence by this poster.

I think you should be quite concerned that "Suella Braverman jokes that the KKK were misunderstood" is subject to Poe's Law, given she's the Home Secretary.

As extraordinary a claim as it would be to make that such a thing would be uttered in parliament, if someone more credible ( which is a low bar to exceed, but let's say Arch for an example) posted the link with the fabricated/satirical interjection I quite possibly would have been more inclined believe it in the minute or two prior to the time it took to watch the video.

But since it wasn't, I didn't at any point. I knew it was almost certainly bullshit, the same you and I know know sites like Breitbart have a propensity to spout bullshit and will by default doubt claims made from that source.

Random person on twitter isn't a reliable source either. So no, I didn't think this was genuine at any point.

[Tinhampton]

Schools are removing their Ofsted ratings from communications in solidarity with Ruth Perry

[Saor Alba]

Schools are removing their Ofsted ratings from communications in solidarity with Ruth Perry

Not sure how I feel about this. The government certainly has some responsibility for poor education outcomes and it is a tragedy that the woman committed suicide due to the pressure of her job, but Ofsted are just doing their job. The idea that teachers should be allowed to prevent Ofsted from ensuring high quality education is not very good.

[Saiwana]

So, if Andrew Tate is technically speaking- still a British national and an online celebrity, does it count as part of British politics indirectly? I can't find a thread to put forth this question that is a better match for now in any case. Not wanting to start a new thread on the trial if the old one got locked or if there isn't yet much to start a new thread on.

Andrew Tate has been detained for up to 120 days in Romania so far. The prosecution there is only going to be allowed to do this 2 more times without bringing up formal charges and evidence. Do people think the case is too weak at this point, and that Andrew will wind up walking free in around 3 more months from now? Or do people bet that the case is more solid than we're led to believe?

I'd think that he'd of been charged by now if they really had dirt on him that sticks, but we've heard nothing to date; so it is a real possibility that he's coming back from this bigger than ever and that this human trafficking case is or has fallen apart.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

So how do we think Boris Johnson did? To me he came across as someone who knew he lied and was lying to cover it up, and getting angry when people don't just accept his lies. Personally I think his political career in the UK is finished.

[Hirota]

So how do we think Boris Johnson did? To me he came across as someone who knew he lied and was lying to cover it up, and getting angry when people don't just accept his lies. Personally I think his political career in the UK is finished.

I don't think anything was revealed that would change anyone's pre-existing opinion on the whole Partygate saga.

I think the addition of trying to determine if Bojo "recklessly" misled parliament as opposed to "deliberately" informative. I personally think the committee will find him guilty of "recklessly" misleading parliament, but not "deliberately." The committee report will be damning, implying that he also probably deliberately misinformed, but it will say this cannot be proven. It will recommend a strong punishment, but not one quite strong enough to lay the foundations for a recall petition and subsequent by-election.

Bojo will be wounded, but not critically, and more importantly his supporters will still look for ways for him to get back into No 10. It still would take an extraordinary sequence of events for that to happen, but we've seen extraordinary sequences of events seem to be par for the course for Bojo sometimes.

[Tinhampton]

Twenty twenty-fucking-three... what a fucking year.

A former No 10 adviser has called for a review of private security guards after her 15-year-old son was pinned down and handcuffed in a Superdrug store. Kirsty Buchanan made the appeal after a video of her son being restrained in Chichester went viral on social media. The boy, who was later arrested by police on suspicion of assault, was "sat on" by the guards, she said.

Chichester BID, which employs guards through Blayde Security, said it provides "a safe environment for all". Sussex Police said it was called to the shop in East Street after 15:30 GMT on Wednesday following reports that a group of teenagers had become involved in an altercation.

Ms Buchanan told the BBC her son and a friend had been followed into the store by two guards, who are known as Chichester BID (Business Improvement District) rangers. She said: "My son went in to buy shampoo and began joking around about being followed by the rangers when they snapped. They grabbed his arm, threw him on the floor, sat on him and tied his hands with plastic handcuffs."

(BBC embed of arrest video tweet. 1.3m watches 5.8m impressions according to Twitter)

Her son was released at 01:15 on Thursday, and was back resting at home feeling "tired and calm", Ms Buchanan said. When asked if she thought her son had been targeted because he was black, she replied: "Let's put it this way, if I went in to that store to buy shampoo, do you think this would have happened to me?"

A Sussex Police spokesman said that officers arrived to find a 15-year-old boy from Worthing had been detained in handcuffs by "privately-employed civilian security staff". He was arrested on suspicion of assault. He said: "There is no law in the UK that prevents civilians carrying handcuffs. Anyone who does carry handcuffs should be aware that their use could constitute a crime unless they can show that using them was reasonable and proportionate in the circumstances."

A second teenager, a 16-year-old from Chichester, was arrested on suspicion of assault, possession of cannabis, and using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress, police said.

The spokesman said: "A full and thorough investigation is ongoing to establish the exact circumstances of what happened." Police have been in contact with the 15-year-old's mother and contact will be maintained, he added.

Superdrug tweeted that an "incident" occurred in its Chichester store between rangers and a group of young males they were monitoring. The company added in a statement: "We would like to reassure customers and members of the public that our priority is always to keep our colleagues and customers safe, and we have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to violence and aggression."

Ms Buchanan - who was not with her son at the time of the incident - is calling for a review of private security guards. "I would like to know from Chichester BID what due diligence is carried out before rangers are hired, what training they receive and what their remit is," she said. Ms Buchanan, who advised former prime minister Liz Truss, also said the actions of Sussex Police should be investigated,. She said she was not told for 90 minutes where her son was after he had been taken away by officers.

Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper told Sky News she was "troubled" by the video. She said: "Particularly for parents not to know what is happening when a child is being arrested in that way, I do think questions need to be answered. You have to make sure that people are treated fairly, and children in particular are treated fairly and properly by the police and also by community rangers as well."

Chichester BID is an organisation set up in 2012 and funded by local business-rate payers to "invest in local improvements", according to its website. A statement from the body said: "Chichester BID is aware of an incident that occurred on 22 March at the Superdrug store on East Street, involving a group of young people and two rangers. Together with Blayde Security, who provide our security services, we are cooperating fully with Sussex Police, who are investigating the matter. We are taking this very seriously. We want to reassure traders, residents and visitors to Chichester city centre that we are committed to providing a safe and secure environment for all."

Blayde Security said in a statement it was offering full assistance to the police investigation. It added: "Our priority is always to keep members of the public, our staff and our partners safe and we have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to violence and aggression."

Let me be absolutely clear: this did not happen to a boy from an ordinary black family or one who had been routinely targetted by the police for relatively minor reasons (as so many are). This happened to a boy whose mum was working as one of Liz Truss's SpAds six months ago. If this does not horrify you...

[The Archregimancy]

So how do we think Boris Johnson did?

Dicit ei Pilatus: “Quid est veritas?” Et cum hoc dixisset, iterum exivit ad Iudaeos et dicit eis: “Ego nullam invenio in eo causam.”

Which is rather the outcome that Mr Johnson seems to be hoping for.

[Reploid Productions]

So, if Andrew Tate is technically speaking- still a British national and an online celebrity, does it count as part of British politics indirectly?

No.

[Ifreann]

So how do we think Boris Johnson did?

Dicit ei Pilatus: “Quid est veritas?” Et cum hoc dixisset, iterum exivit ad Iudaeos et dicit eis: “Ego nullam invenio in eo causam.”

Which is rather the outcome that Mr Johnson seems to be hoping for.

Latin is definitely the outcome Johnson is hoping for.

[Tinhampton]

Ofsted has rejected calls to stop inspections out of respect for Ruth Perry, saying that it would not be in the children's best interest.

It's interesting to note that Fiona Cooper - the Berkshire headteacher who, when the Perry story broke on Monday, boasted on Twitter that she called Ofsted to direct them not to inspect her school on the Tuesday - is pictured allowing Ofsted inspectors into one of her schools in the image at the bottom of this article. (I dropped the link to the original BBC article here at 5:15pm on Monday, but the article was edited two hours later to include a statement from West Berks Council saying her objection had been overruled.)

[Shrillland]

NEC-directed committee deselects a full 40% of Leicester's Labour Councillors

19 councillors were deselected in reparation for the council vote in six weeks, most of whom will now stand as independents.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Ofsted has rejected calls to stop inspections out of respect for Ruth Perry, saying that it would not be in the children's best interest.

It's interesting to note that Fiona Cooper - the Berkshire headteacher who, when the Perry story broke on Monday, boasted on Twitter that she called Ofsted to direct them not to inspect her school on the Tuesday - is pictured allowing Ofsted inspectors into one of her schools in the image at the bottom of this article. (I dropped the link to the original BBC article here at 5:15pm on Monday, but the article was edited two hours later to include a statement from West Berks Council saying her objection had been overruled.)

Rather than stopping this important duty to ensure British schools are operating to acceptable standards... Ofsted should review their methods to ensure that corruption and malfeasance that leads to suicides does not exist. But then again what do I know...

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Ofsted shouldn't be reviewing their own methods, there should be an independent inquiry into them.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Ofsted shouldn't be reviewing their own methods, there should be an independent inquiry into them.

Office for Standards in the Office for Standards in Education... OfsOfsted?

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

Fiona Bruce asks Question Time audience who thought Boris Johnson was telling the truth - nobody raises their hand