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Will Kevin McCarthy Remain Speaker?

Yes
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Yes, But He'll Have Democratic Support
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:15 pm

Many thanks to Farnhamia for the title.

We've got the go ahead, there won't be any more rolling political threads, but these can still exist as stand alones. It is spring of 2023 in the US, and a former president has been indicted for the first time in our history. This is the thread to discuss that dvelopment as well as American campaigns, political news, and general US politics. Enjoy yourselves, play nice, and always remember days and memes gone by.

Plebiscite Plaza 2023:

This measure concerns excess tax money. Back in 2020, Prop EE was passed in Colorado, a measure that levied a new tax on vapes and raised other tobacco taxes. It ended up raising $318 million in 2022, or $24 million more than was expected. Under Colorado's TABOR, or Taxpayer's Bill of Rights, that would normally mean that the excess money would have to be refunded and the taxes lowered accordingly. Legislative Democrats weren't fans of giving money back to Big Tobacco, so they put this measure on the ballot. Voters will choose whether to refund the money to wholesalers and distributors and lower the taxes by 11.53% or make all of Prop EE's revenue TABOR-exempt.

Another measure would lower property taxes across the board until 2032 and would allow the state to spend money to make up any shortfall municipalities and counties would face from the tax cuts. Depending on valuation changes in the 32 counties with the smallest increases in property tax revenue, lodging and most other nonresidential property taxes would go down in increments from 29% to 25.9 or 26.9%, agricultural property taxes would drop to 25.9 or 26.4%, renewable energy agricultural property(a new class of property) would go down to 21.9%, and residential properties would see taxes go down from 7.15% to 6.7% for many homes, 6.7% minus $40,000 or just 6.7% for primary residences and multi-family properties, and 6.7% minus $140,000 or just 6.7%, whichever's lower, for qualifying seniors. It would also send $72 million from the state's general fund to the public school fund. All of these decreases would expire in 2033.

The first measure, to be voted on on Saturday, October 14 like the next one, is an amendment that would ensure the right to worship at any place of worship.

Another amendment would prohibit nonprofits from receiving property tax exemptions on properties that are considered uninhabitable due to disrepair as determined by the city, town, or parish the property's in.

The third amendment would require 25% of all nonrecurring state revenue to be given to unfunded liabilities in the state's two public pension funds(one for state employees, one for teachers).

The fourth amendment would ban the use of funds, goods, and services from foreign or NGO sources in conducting elections.

Now for amendments up for a vote on Saturday, November 18, would allow the state legislature to consider vetoed bills during a regular or special session without having to convene a separate veto session. It would also stipulate that the governor's deadline to act on a bill is based on the legislative session in which the bill is passed or vetoed.

The second amendment would allow parishes to provide a new property tax exemption of up to $2,500 for first responders.

The third amendment would remove the constitutional language concerning six state funds that are now inactive and move money within those funds into the state's General Fund.

The fourth amendment would allow the Legislature, by a two-thirds majority, to transfer up to $250 million from the Budget Stabilisation Trust Fund(AKA Rainy Day Fund) into paying down the state's deficit, currently projected to go up to $420 million by 2025.

Maine is voting on a measure that would effectively nationalise all energy distribution and transmission in the state. The measure would create a new state-run company called Pine Tree Power, and this company would have the right to purchase and acquire, invoking eminent domain of necessary, all private energy distribution and transmission companies. These acquisitions would begin 12 months after the measure passes or six months after the first board meeting, whichever's later. There would be a 13-member board of directors, seven of which would be elected and the six remaining would be experts with experience in utility law and management, concerns of utility employees and workers, concerns of commercial or industrial electricity consumers, technologies related to electricity, cybersecurity, and connectivity, climate mitigation and planning, and economic or social justice needs for low income or moderate income populations. They would be appointed by the elected members, all members would be Maine residents, and all terms would be for six years. Private sector operations would be handed over to a nongovernmental entity that hasn't been found unfit(the measure includes fitness criteria) for 10 years, Pine Tree Power would be exempt from income taxation, but it would pay property taxes, and it can't own any energy generation facilities unless the Public Utilities Commission grants a waiver. It could only raise funds by issuing bonds against its debt and by energy bills. Pine Tree Power would be required to give the state an annual report on its condition by April 15 at the latest, and the company could only be privatised or dissolved by law.

New York will be voting on an amendment that would eliminate the current maximum limit on how much debt small public school districts(meaning districts in any town or city with less then 125,000 people) could incur Currently it's 5% of full taxable property values.

Another amendment would extend the time period that sewer construction, repair, and maintenance would be excluded from how much debt a municipality could incur until 2034(currently set to expire in 2024 and routinely gets extended).

Ohio will be voting on August 8 on Issue 1, an amendment that would raise the threshold for approving constitutional amendments from a simple majority to a 60% majority.

Normally, Oklahoma doesn't make odd-numbered year appearances, but a measure got on the ballot too late for 2022. SQ 820, up for a vote on March 7, would legalise marijuana in Oklahoma. Adults over age 21 could possess, transport, or distribute up to one ounce or marijuana, eight grams of concentrated marijuana, or up to eight grams of concentrated marijuana in infused products such as edibles. People could own up to six mature plants and up to six seedlings, and a process would be set up for expungement or modification of previous marijuana-related crimes. Sales would be taxed at 15%, with most funds going to the Oklahoma Medical Marijuana Authority's implementation of this measure. Remaining funds would be distributed to the state's general fund(30%), public school grants to encourage student retention, after-school and enrichment, and campaigns against substance abuse(30%), grants to government agencies and non-profits to fund addiction treatment and OD prevention programmes(20%), the state judicial revolving fund(10%), and the city or county where the weed was sold(10%). REJECTED

Texas' first amendment would allow conservation and reclamation districts in El Paso County to issue bonds to fund county parks and recreation facilities.

The second amendment would establish a constitutional right to farming, ranching, wildlife management, horticulture, and timbering.

The third amendment would raise the mandatory retirement age for state judges from age 75 to 79. It would also remove a provision that requires judges to retire at the end of their fourth year of a six-year term if they reach retirement age within that span.

The fourth Amendment is a county amendment. Yes, Texas does have them, but they aren't as common as Alabama. This amendment would abolish the office of County Treasurer in Galveston County. This is up because the recently-elected treasurer of the County is a fairly Libertarian guy who ran specifically on a promise to abolish his office, which requires an amendment because Treasurer is a constitutional office for most counties. Both the state and the county will have to approve it.

The fifth amendment would create a new property tax exemption for personal property manufactured by medical or biomedical companies.

The sixth amendment would ban wealth or net worth taxes in Texas.

The seventh amendment would allow partial(no less than 50%) or total property tax exemptions for child care facilities.

The eighth amendment would create the Centennial Parks Conservation Fund, which would be financed through legislative grants, Parks and Wildlife Department grants, and through investments. This fund would be used for creating and maintaining state parks.

The ninth amendment would allow the legislature to make cost-of-living adjustments for pensioners in the State Teacher's Retirement Fund for two years.

The tenth amendment would create the Texas Energy Fund, funded by the Legislature and run by the Public Utilities Commission. The fund would be used to update power plants.

The eleventh amendment would create the Texas Broadband Infrastructure Fund, funded by the Legislature and used to finance broadband and telecommunications projects.

The twelfth amendment would create the Texas Water Fund to be run by the Texas Water Development Board and used to finance water projects.

The thirteenth amendment would rename the National University Research Fund to the Texas University Fund. It would also allocate the annual interest, earnings, and investment income from the state Economic Stabilisation Fund to it.

Question 1, to be voted on on April 4 with the next measure, would amend the constitution to allow the state legislature to define "serious harm" in relation to the conditions that a judge can impose on an accused person if they're released from jail before conviction. At the moment, judges can impose any condition they want to prevent bodily harm to others.

Question 2 would amend the constitution to allow judges to consider an accused person's previous convictions, the probability of them not appearing in court, the need to protect the community from serious harm(as defined by Question 1 if it passes), the need to protect witnesses from harm, and any potential affirmative defences before setting cash bail amounts. BOTH APPROVED
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Postby Juristonia » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:17 pm

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Also, tiktok can barely be considered an app and should be shit canned in general.
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Postby What is the world really » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:18 pm

may crypto crash and burn so completely. Anyways most of the time third parties will win any thing on the state or federal level.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:21 pm

Even if TikTok isn't a security threat it should be banned.
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For the Poll, I'd say yes, though it should be banned if there are security risks. I don't keep in touch with what is happening, But I do know that there is apparently evidence to suggest security risks. Then again, we might not have Abdul Cisse.
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Postby Narland » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:29 pm

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That's a good list. I might have voted for Teddy Roosevelt but out of excitement, not really out of policy. Except for Reagan and Trump, all my presidential votes have been 3rd Party. In 1980 I got to be a Young Republican shadow elector (learned what an Elector actually does and doesn't do). Mr. Anderson was articulate and charming. I agreed with many aspects of his radical republicansim, but came to differing conclusions. I was sorry to hear of his passing. Being young and zealous, my support was for Reagan.

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Anderson is sometimes called a Rockefeller Republican and I do have a soft spot for them.

Yep. He was one of the last of the Progressive Republicans. I like that he forthright about it. Most of the Progressive Republicans that I met as a kid were very hostile to the resurgence of Paleo-Conservatism in the Party. He was only mildly miffed. :) He could articulate very well why his beliefs were consistent with radical republicanism. I came to opposite conclusions on many policy issues. I think mainly because of our differences in underlying philosophy of government.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:31 pm

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Anderson is sometimes called a Rockefeller Republican and I do have a soft spot for them.

Yep. He was one of the last of the Progressive Republicans. I like that he forthright about it. Most of the Progressive Republicans that I met as a kid were very hostile to the resurgence of Paleo-Conservatism in the Party. He was only mildly miffed. :) He could articulate very well why his beliefs were consistent with radical republicanism. I came to opposite conclusions on many policy issues. I think mainly because of our differences in underlying philosophy of government.


I do wonder what it would be like if he was president.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:34 pm

Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:13 pm

Bombadil wrote:Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

My favorite part was when Tucker Carlson's producer called Trump supporters "cousin-fucking terrorists." And wrote, "The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump."
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Narland wrote:Yep. He was one of the last of the Progressive Republicans. I like that he forthright about it. Most of the Progressive Republicans that I met as a kid were very hostile to the resurgence of Paleo-Conservatism in the Party. He was only mildly miffed. :) He could articulate very well why his beliefs were consistent with radical republicanism. I came to opposite conclusions on many policy issues. I think mainly because of our differences in underlying philosophy of government.


I do wonder what it would be like if he was president.

I have a hard time knowing where he drew the line in balancing the Federal Power over the States Powers. He was pro-union and anti-corruption. He seemed to be hostile to the military industrial complex, while wanting to supportive of the individual soldier and sailor. He wanted the government to be a lean, mean, and efficient with a decent Federal safety net in case a state or multitude of States failed.

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He would have been perceived favorably in the mainstream media compared to Reagan.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:16 pm

Bombadil wrote:Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

So...I think people remember when Fox went to bat on the idea that they were under no obligation to tell the truth mostly because it's a nice cudgel to beat them with, but it had a reasonable foundation.

In essence, if a news organization is 'required' to tell the truth, the recourse for that would be courts (a la the whistleblower in question) which then creates the awkward situation of the state dictating what the truth is to the media which undermines the whole concept of the Fourth Estate. So in principle they can't be held accountable to the truth because the entity being reported on ('the government') can't also be who decides what is and isn't telling the truth. It's immediately corruptible.

But in this case it's defamation, which I think people understand and actual lawyers can expound on if needed rather than my dumb ass. Ironically making this (suing outlets that say bad shit about you) easier was one of Trump's big goals. With Alex Jones taking that massive hit for being a massive tool and the potential for Fox to end up with a massive payout, I wonder what the long term implications of this might end up being.
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Postby Adamede » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:16 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

My favorite part was when Tucker Carlson's producer called Trump supporters "cousin-fucking terrorists." And wrote, "The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump."

Would even be more funny if it wasnt for the fact that they'll still peddle to that crowd.

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Can't quote from the previous thread, but in response to this response to my post about why minor parties bother with the presidency when they know they don't have a snowball's chance in hell (to reach a 5% national share of the vote for ballot and funding access)...20 years of banging that drum here I've managed to get that across to now like three people so my time hasn't been completely wasted...
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Postby What is the world really » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:23 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Smartmatic have been allowed to enter the fray with a $2.7B defamation suit against FOX.

David Cohen, the New York supreme court justice presiding over the litigation, has indicated that the company has a strong enough case to go to trial.

In last week’s ruling, Cohen found that “at a minimum, Fox News turned a blind eye to a litany of outrageous claims” about Smartmatic. “Plaintiffs have pleaded facts sufficient to allow a jury to infer that Fox News acted with actual malice.”

My favorite part was when Tucker Carlson's producer called Trump supporters "cousin-fucking terrorists." And wrote, "The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump."

Not to mention Tucker Carlson himself disliking trump. Which makes perfect sense to me as I said before.

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Postby Celritannia » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:24 pm

First... page.

Eh, tiktok shouldn't be banned, not that I use it in anyway. But each generation now will have their websites and or apps they prefer. I'm sure many melinials in here remember YT and MySpace in their early form and people critisied those.
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What is the world really wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:My favorite part was when Tucker Carlson's producer called Trump supporters "cousin-fucking terrorists." And wrote, "The only clear cut evidence for voter fraud is the failed attempts from Trump."

Not to mention Tucker Carlson himself disliking trump. Which makes perfect sense to me as I said before.

My absolute favorite part paired with all we'd hear about Trump calling Tucker all the time. Trump clearly liked him even if he's going to now pretend he didn't.
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Postby Untecna » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:27 pm

Shrillland wrote:We've got the go ahead, there won't be any more rolling political threads, but these can still exist as stand alones. It is spring of 2023 in the US, the glacial movement towards Trump's indictment continues, and banks/ techbros are nostaligic for the 2000s with bank failures and tech startup chaos. On top of that, we've got a Mayoral vote in Chicago in April, three states with gubernatorials this year, and a pittance of ballot inititiatives. This is the thres to discuss American campaigns, political news, and general US politics. Enjoy yourselves, play nice, and always remember days and memes gone by.

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Louisiana's first amendment, up for a vote on Saturday, November 18, would allow the state legislature to consider vetoed bills during a regular or special session without having to convene a separate veto session. It would also stipulate that the governor's deadline to act on a bill is based on the legislative session in which the bill is passed or vetoed.

Normally, Oklahoma doesn't make odd-numbered year appearances, but a measure got on the ballot too late for 2022. SQ 820, up for a vote on March 7, would legalise marijuana in Oklahoma. Adults over age 21 could possess, transport, or distribute up to one ounce or marijuana, eight grams of concentrated marijuana, or up to eight grams of concentrated marijuana in infused products such as edibles. People could own up to six mature plants and up to six seedlings, and a process would be set up for expungement or modification of previous marijuana-related crimes. Sales would be taxed at 15%, with most funds going to the Oklahoma Medical Marijuana Authority's implementation of this measure. Remaining funds would be distributed to the state's general fund(30%), public school grants to encourage student retention, after-school and enrichment, and campaigns against substance abuse(30%), grants to government agencies and non-profits to fund addiction treatment and OD prevention programmes(20%), the state judicial revolving fund(10%), and the city or county where the weed was sold(10%). REJECTED

Question 1, to be voted on on April 4 with the next measure, would amend the constitution to allow the state legislature to define "serious harm" in relation to the conditions that a judge can impose on an accused person if they're released from jail before conviction. At the moment, judges can impose any condition they want to prevent bodily harm to others.

Question 2 would amend the constitution to allow judges to consider an accused person's previous convictions, the probability of them not appearing in court, the need to protect the community from serious harm(as defined by Question 1 if it passes), the need to protect witnesses from harm, and any potential affirmative defences before setting cash bail amounts.

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Postby What is the world really » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:29 pm

I think Teddy was an ok president but like, the fact that he built up a cult of personality that outlived him by over a century is terrifying.

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Postby Rusozak » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:32 pm

North Jus Intius wrote:So, is "wokeness" effectively a terrible euphemism for "Cultural Marxism?"


I think "wokeness" is just whenever there are repercussions for disgusting behavior, since it usually gets complained about when someone gets banned or socially shunned for screaming the N-word or saying a percentage of our population should be denied personhood.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:32 pm

Tiktok should be banned
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:38 pm

Floofybit wrote:Tiktok should be banned

It'll just be replaced with something else like it. Reels on FB/Insta, something new. Hell, TikTok is just a version of a bunch of other shit that came before it that I can't remember the name of. Vine? Vine was one of them.
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