Euro Discussion Thread

[Durius]

Is that why Caucasians are referred to as Euro-Americans, Euro-Canadians, and so on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Americans

The term is used by some to emphasize this demographic's European cultural and geographical as well as ancestral origins, parallelling terms such as African Americans and Asian Americans.

Ah yes. Wikipedia, the most reliable source. Anyhow, it is a “term used to emphasise this demographic’s European cultural and geographical… origins.”

That you have none of those?

But it's funny that OP uses that page as a source, given that it states the following: «In contexts such as medical research, terms such as "white" and "European" have been criticised for vagueness and blurring important distinctions between different groups that happen to fit within the label. Margo Adair suggests that viewing Americans of European descent as a single group contributes to the "Wonder breading" of the United States, eradicating the cultural heritage of individual European ethnicities.» Oops!

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

And he claims that he based it off of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim threads. Is he going to insist you get born as one as well? If you told a Shia he was a Sunni, or a convert he was a Christian, you will get punched.

[Forever Indomitable]

Is that why Caucasians are referred to as Euro-Americans, Euro-Canadians, and so on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Americans

The term is used by some to emphasize this demographic's European cultural and geographical as well as ancestral origins, parallelling terms such as African Americans and Asian Americans.

"In contexts such as medical research, terms such as "white" and "European" have been criticised for vagueness and blurring important distinctions between different groups that happen to fit within the label.[16] Margo Adair suggests that viewing Americans of European descent as a single group contributes to the "Wonder breading" of the United States, eradicating the cultural heritage of individual European ethnicities.[17]"

If you're going to cite anything, even a Wikipedia article, at least read it entirely, which is something you have consistently failed to do.

I read that and I already expected this response. My rebuttal is that's a strawman and irrelevant. We can identify Europeans of all types by bone and dental records. ALL OF THEM. If you don't apply the same standard to Asian and African Americans, you logically cannot apply it to Euro Americans who have far more genetic closeness.

If a Nigerian and a Zimbabwean go to prison here, they will be placed with the Blacks. If a Norwegian and a Bosnian go to prison here, they will be place with the Whites. If Rio went to prison here, he would be place with the Asians.

Euro American

African American

Asian American

[Past beans]

insecurity can bring along bad things, this thread in general is one of said bad things.

[The Second Order of Life]

Ah yes. Wikipedia, the most reliable source. Anyhow, it is a “term used to emphasise this demographic’s European cultural and geographical… origins.”

That you have none of those?

But it's funny that OP uses that page as a source, given that it states the following: «In contexts such as medical research, terms such as "white" and "European" have been criticised for vagueness and blurring important distinctions between different groups that happen to fit within the label. Margo Adair suggests that viewing Americans of European descent as a single group contributes to the "Wonder breading" of the United States, eradicating the cultural heritage of individual European ethnicities.» Oops!

I've stopped trying, really. This guy's clearly just making it up as he goes along, googling keywords to try finding anything which gives legitimacy to his already preconceived notions of how biology influences culture, which is an extraordinary claim which goes against the very concept of culture as a construct of time and social environment conditioned by historical context and other environmental factors.

He's literally cited a paper on personality and genetics which not only did nothing to better his case, but actually made it worse. He then ignored that and went on to rant about teeth according to research done by a dentistry. From this point on, I recommend sticking around just to make sure this thread never becomes a legitimate space for scientific racism, because nothing of value can be gained here.

[Beric]

European Americans are the most populous single ethnic group in the United States according to U.S. census categories, and are often sampled in genetic association studies.

I have said this before and will say it again. European is not a homogeneous term and should really be considered at least two genetically separate peoples. That being said the Idea that European American is not a thing and Americans cannot be scientifically categorized as Europeans is entirely false and has no basis in reality. It is literally where we come from and who we are.

Saying that someone is not and should not claim to be a part of their genetic heritage is wrong and quite racist.

European Americans are usually treated as a single population (as are other groups such as African Americans, Latinos, and East Asians), and the use of labels such as “white” or “Caucasian” can propagate the illusion of genetic homogeneity. However, European Americans in fact form a structured population, due to historical immigration from diverse source populations. This can lead to population stratification—allele frequency differences between cases and controls due to systematic ancestry differences—and to ancestry-specific disease risks

It is wrong to say that Americans are the same as Europeans or that Europeans are one ethnicity. Genetically it is more varied than that. But no someone that was born in Europe but comes from somewhere else would not genetically be considered European.

Aaand, he comes out as a racist. He is saying that, uh, prisons are segregated? Fuck no they aren't, and secondly I am, again, more European than you ever can be. Again, Caucasian is not European

We use the term “ancestry” for ease of presentation, but caution that cultural or geographic identifiers do not necessarily correspond to genetic ancestry.

America has an issue with racism. What else is new?

Would you kindly explain to me who you consider Euro which is rarely used as a ethnicity or race?

Is someone less of a German, Swede or Briton because they are not white?

No Euro has been used scientifically to separate populations and is more correct than the term white. But again not one Euro. There are a couple just as there are a couple of different and varied Asian Races. In terms of the three countries you mentioned...those three would be Northern European nations and yes genetically and ancestrally they are likely going to be white if they show up on the test as European.

You are geographically in Europe. That does not make you European. But European is more correct for European Americans than Caucasian or white.
link https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2211542/
Authors

Department of Genetics, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
2 Program in Medical and Population Genetics, Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States of America
3 Program in Genomics and Divisions of Genetics and Endocrinology, Children's Hospital, Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America
4 Department of Zoology, University of Oxford, Oxford, United Kingdom
5 Forensic Genetics Laboratory, Istituto di Medicina Legale, Universita Cattolica del Sacro Cuore, Rome, Italy
6 Department of Biology, Galton Laboratory, University College London, United Kingdom
7 Department of Clinical Sciences, Diabetes and Endocrinology, Lund University, University Hospital Malmo, Malmo, Sweden
8 Department of Pathology, Medical School, National and Kapodistrian University of Athens, Athens, Greece
9 Amalia Biron Research Institute of Thrombosis and Hemostasis, Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel
10 Institute for Genome Sciences and Policy, Center for Population Genomics and Pharmacogenetics, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina, United States of America
University of Chicago, United States of America

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[The Rio Grande River Basin]

"In contexts such as medical research, terms such as "white" and "European" have been criticised for vagueness and blurring important distinctions between different groups that happen to fit within the label.[16] Margo Adair suggests that viewing Americans of European descent as a single group contributes to the "Wonder breading" of the United States, eradicating the cultural heritage of individual European ethnicities.[17]"

If you're going to cite anything, even a Wikipedia article, at least read it entirely, which is something you have consistently failed to do.

I just read that and I already expected this response. My rebuttal is that's a strawman and irrelevant. We can identify Europeans of all types by bone and dental records. ALL OF THEM. If you don't apply the same standard to Asian and African Americans, you logically cannot apply it to Euro Americans who have far more genetic closeness.

If a Nigerian and a Zimbabwean go to prison here, they will be placed with the Blacks. If a Norwegian and a Bosnian go to prison here, they will be place with the Whites. If Rio went to prison here, he would be place with the Asians.

Euro American

African American

Asian American

Aaand, he comes out as a racist. He is saying that, uh, prisons are segregated? Fuck no they aren't, and secondly I am, again, more European than you ever can be. Again, Caucasian is not European

[Forever Indomitable]

But it's funny that OP uses that page as a source, given that it states the following: «In contexts such as medical research, terms such as "white" and "European" have been criticised for vagueness and blurring important distinctions between different groups that happen to fit within the label. Margo Adair suggests that viewing Americans of European descent as a single group contributes to the "Wonder breading" of the United States, eradicating the cultural heritage of individual European ethnicities.» Oops!

I've stopped trying, really. This guy's clearly just making it up as he goes along, googling keywords to try finding anything which gives legitimacy to his already preconceived notions of how biology influences culture, which is an extraordinary claim which goes against the very concept of culture as a construct of time and social environment conditioned by historical context and other environmental factors.

He's literally cited a paper on personality and genetics which not only did nothing to better his case, but actually made it worse. He then ignored that and went on to rant about teeth according to research done by a dentistry. From this point on, I recommend sticking around just to make sure this thread never becomes a legitimate space for scientific racism, because nothing of value can be gained here.

You're making claims, but where is the proof? Give supporting evidence.

[Past beans]

"In contexts such as medical research, terms such as "white" and "European" have been criticised for vagueness and blurring important distinctions between different groups that happen to fit within the label.[16] Margo Adair suggests that viewing Americans of European descent as a single group contributes to the "Wonder breading" of the United States, eradicating the cultural heritage of individual European ethnicities.[17]"

If you're going to cite anything, even a Wikipedia article, at least read it entirely, which is something you have consistently failed to do.

I read that and I already expected this response. My rebuttal is that's a strawman and irrelevant. We can identify Europeans of all types by bone and dental records. ALL OF THEM. If you don't apply the same standard to Asian and African Americans, you logically cannot apply it to Euro Americans who have far more genetic closeness.

If a Nigerian and a Zimbabwean go to prison here, they will be placed with the Blacks. If a Norwegian and a Bosnian go to prison here, they will be place with the Whites. If Rio went to prison here, he would be place with the Asians.

Euro American

African American

Asian American

again, you haven't proven you are euro.
and also you can't call something irrelevant if it's your own proof.

[Durius]

If a Nigerian and a Zimbabwean go to prison here, they will be placed with the Blacks. If a Norwegian and a Bosnian go to prison here, they will be place with the Whites. If Rio went to prison here, he would be place with the Asians.

In other words, America still has a problem with racism.

[San Lumen]

"In contexts such as medical research, terms such as "white" and "European" have been criticised for vagueness and blurring important distinctions between different groups that happen to fit within the label.[16] Margo Adair suggests that viewing Americans of European descent as a single group contributes to the "Wonder breading" of the United States, eradicating the cultural heritage of individual European ethnicities.[17]"

If you're going to cite anything, even a Wikipedia article, at least read it entirely, which is something you have consistently failed to do.

I read that and I already expected this response. My rebuttal is that's a strawman and irrelevant. We can identify Europeans of all types by bone and dental records. ALL OF THEM. If you don't apply the same standard to Asian and African Americans, you logically cannot apply it to Euro Americans who have far more genetic closeness.

If a Nigerian and a Zimbabwean go to prison here, they will be placed with the Blacks. If a Norwegian and a Bosnian go to prison here, they will be place with the Whites. If Rio went to prison here, he would be place with the Asians.

Euro American

African American

Asian American

America has an issue with racism. What else is new?

Would you kindly explain to me who you consider Euro which is rarely used as a ethnicity or race?

Is someone less of a German, Swede or Briton because they are not white?

[Loeje]

I've stopped trying, really. This guy's clearly just making it up as he goes along, googling keywords to try finding anything which gives legitimacy to his already preconceived notions of how biology influences culture, which is an extraordinary claim which goes against the very concept of culture as a construct of time and social environment conditioned by historical context and other environmental factors.

He's literally cited a paper on personality and genetics which not only did nothing to better his case, but actually made it worse. He then ignored that and went on to rant about teeth according to research done by a dentistry. From this point on, I recommend sticking around just to make sure this thread never becomes a legitimate space for scientific racism, because nothing of value can be gained here.

You're making claims, but where is the proof? Give supporting evidence.

I offered you proof on the last page. You can go back and look at that.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

I've stopped trying, really. This guy's clearly just making it up as he goes along, googling keywords to try finding anything which gives legitimacy to his already preconceived notions of how biology influences culture, which is an extraordinary claim which goes against the very concept of culture as a construct of time and social environment conditioned by historical context and other environmental factors.

He's literally cited a paper on personality and genetics which not only did nothing to better his case, but actually made it worse. He then ignored that and went on to rant about teeth according to research done by a dentistry. From this point on, I recommend sticking around just to make sure this thread never becomes a legitimate space for scientific racism, because nothing of value can be gained here.

You're making claims, but where is the proof? Give supporting evidence.

You just gave some bullshit proof from Wikipedia that hindered your case. Maybe you come up with some proof.

[Past beans]

I've stopped trying, really. This guy's clearly just making it up as he goes along, googling keywords to try finding anything which gives legitimacy to his already preconceived notions of how biology influences culture, which is an extraordinary claim which goes against the very concept of culture as a construct of time and social environment conditioned by historical context and other environmental factors.

He's literally cited a paper on personality and genetics which not only did nothing to better his case, but actually made it worse. He then ignored that and went on to rant about teeth according to research done by a dentistry. From this point on, I recommend sticking around just to make sure this thread never becomes a legitimate space for scientific racism, because nothing of value can be gained here.

You're making claims, but where is the proof? Give supporting evidence.

don't ask for proof when you can't prove anything you've done.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

He has the sheer full-frontal audacity, the cheek and hubris to insist I am not European, whilst refusing to answer whether he can speak Spanish or not. Even with his mere understanding of “Simplified English” he can’t answer that?! Pathetic. That is utterly pathetic. He still can’t understand the fact that Caucasian does not mean European, as it bounces off his skull.

Is that why Caucasians are referred to as Euro-Americans, Euro-Canadians, and so on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Americans

The term is used by some to emphasize this demographic's European cultural and geographical as well as ancestral origins, parallelling terms such as African Americans and Asian Americans.

Yes, for census!

[Ifreann]

My parents are both Asian, and were born in China. I was born in England, and proud to be English. I can hardly speak Mandarin, and I don't like Chinese food. I am European, much more than you. Caucasian? Now that's a different story.

"Caucasian" is just the term for European. That is why the article specifically referred to us as EURO-Americans. Again, your entire argument is "if a Golden Retriever is born in a wolf den, it is a wolf". That's totally irrational and false. We are all humans, but there are factually subspecies of humans. I belong to the European one. It if verifiable through DNA, teeth and my skeleton. You literally cannot objectively disregard it. It's biologically what I am.

Taxonomically, subspecies isn't a real thing. It's something used where it's convenient, but doesn't have an objective basis. Anthropologists disagree on whether to recognise Homo sapiens idaltu, whether to classify Homo neanderthalensis and Homo rhodesiensis as subspecies of Homo sapiens based on the evidence of admixture of archaic humans with modern humans, and thus to classify modern humans as Homo sapiens sapiens, a subspecies all our own.

European isn't a subspecies. Golden retriever isn't either.

[Portzania]

Genetics do not shape culture. And you’re treating this with some Voldemort level hypocrisy on “pure-bloods” and “half-bloods”. You are not European at all, and it is offensive to even insinuate as such. If you were, then I’d fucking leave. So stop LARPing, stop bullshitting, stop making shit up, and act your age for once. Different environments produce different cultures, and you never grew up in the European environment, you grew up in shitty, shitty America, so shhhhhhhh. Biology shapes ethnicity, not culture.

Secondly, what the fuck has consumerism got to do with anything.

You just said genetics don't shape culture, now prove it.

Personality does not equal culture, at this point do you even know what culture is?
You do not need to be a "nice person" to be Canadian
You do not need to be a lazy person to be a Spainard
These are sterotypes, not culture, do you know one thing about Spanish culture to even begin to speak on behalf of it? But no, I am not denying different environments produce different cultures and features of people, that is a fact. But ethnicity plays nothing into it. Someone who lives in a jungle with no medicine will have more resistance to the heat or more resistance to their local diseases.

However I have lived in Spain my entire life, this just does not apply to me, and even if I was not born in Spain, people can adapt and integrate, we are humans for fuck sake.

Personality doesn't equal culture? Prove it. Where is the proof?

Me, I am proof.

[Luna Amore]

Locking temporarily. Please stand by.

[Santheres]

This has gone on for long enough. This is not the "American Argues Genetic Science" or whatever thread. This is so far a massive threadjack which is thoroughly impressive for the thread's own OP to accomplish, nevermind the baiting inherent to walking up to someone of any given culture and saying they're not their own culture. Seeing as Forever Indomitable has a history for baiting and just got off a 7-day ban, which occurred immediately after a 3-day, they are now *** banned for 30 days *** and the nation's existence will be considered "in question" for the time being until we make a final decision on that.

Everyone else, you should know better than to contribute to a threadjack this off the rails. At some point any one of you could have walked away or stopped responding. Please note that for the future (in any thread) or you will also likely get the official red text.

Additionally, it appears that the intent of this thread is either:

1) White People Discussion Thread for White People Things, or
2) European Continental Discussion Thread for European Continental and Associated Islands Things

The first is simply not an acceptable thread, while the latter is after some discussion backstage far too broad to have its own thread. As such, we see no reason to unlock this thread or allow it to be reposted with its current intent and breadth of discussion.

- Santh
Game Mod

[New Visayan Islands]

Posting to note that after a short discussion, Forever Indomitable has been subject to *** deletion *** on top of the existing monthlong.

New Visayan Islands
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