NSSports Cricket Discussion Thread (OOC)

[Milchama]

Something else to note here about "finding the other person" is that RP permissions exist for a reason and we could have them in cricket.

I.e. you could post the score 250 (50 overs)-150 (40 overs) and then have something like:

Let my opponent pick how many wickets fell Y/N

I think reworking the scorinator is the better option but there's no reason not to do something that's pretty standard in other NS sports.

[Gruenberg]

So yeah, I'd like to arrange a bilateral series with someone. I know it won't count for rankings points, and in a bilateral RP bonus would be pointless, so this is outside the norms of NS Sport but then again have you seen my roster. Tests + ODIs + T20Is.

[Milchama]

So yeah, I'd like to arrange a bilateral series with someone. I know it won't count for rankings points, and in a bilateral RP bonus would be pointless, so this is outside the norms of NS Sport but then again have you seen my roster. Tests + ODIs + T20Is.

I'm in if you want me. I'm going to DM you on Discord as well.

[Aryas]

Hello, can you guys tell me how you make scorecards, I tried xkoronate but it only gives final score.

[Sylestone]

Hello, can you guys tell me how you make scorecards, I tried xkoronate but it only gives final score.

Hiya, welcome to NSSports! In cricket, we use the final score from xkoranate to make our scorecards. While there is no automated scorecard generator as such, many of us use this scorecard maker, where we put in the values for each of our players, etc. and let the google sheet spit out the score in a format that is rather aesthetically pleasing on the forums. If you do choose to use this, make a copy and ensure you read the instructions. Other people have their own, personal scorecard makers, so there's no reason why you can't just create your own, while it is completely okay to not create scorecards at all.

[Aryas]

Hello, can you guys tell me how you make scorecards, I tried xkoronate but it only gives final score.

Hiya, welcome to NSSports! In cricket, we use the final score from xkoranate to make our scorecards. While there is no automated scorecard generator as such, many of us use this scorecard maker, where we put in the values for each of our players, etc. and let the google sheet spit out the score in a format that is rather aesthetically pleasing on the forums. If you do choose to use this, make a copy and ensure you read the instructions. Other people have their own, personal scorecard makers, so there's no reason why you can't just create your own, while it is completely okay to not create scorecards at all.

So, how you get individual player scores?

[Sylestone]

Hiya, welcome to NSSports! In cricket, we use the final score from xkoranate to make our scorecards. While there is no automated scorecard generator as such, many of us use this scorecard maker, where we put in the values for each of our players, etc. and let the google sheet spit out the score in a format that is rather aesthetically pleasing on the forums. If you do choose to use this, make a copy and ensure you read the instructions. Other people have their own, personal scorecard makers, so there's no reason why you can't just create your own, while it is completely okay to not create scorecards at all.

So, how you get individual player scores?

You make them up yourself, which gives you the freedom of deciding which players can do well and which don't do as well. Of course, there's nothing stopping you from trying to make something to automate individual player scores if you want to, but I don't believe anyone has seriously attempted that yet due to how tough it would be to do accurately. Another thing some people do is find similar, real-life scorecards to that outputted by xkoranate and modify them to suit the exact scorelines, so if you're not confident enough to create your own individual player scores, then there's always that option.

[Liventia]

I never updated ODI rankings after the third World Trophy, so here they are:

1	The Plough Islands		40.446
2	Gruenberg			39.125
3	Ko-oren				35.181
4	Krytenia			33.497
5	Sylestone			30.112
6	The Sarian			29.422
7	Darmen				23.501
8	Eastfield Lodge			23.209
9	Liventia			17.889
10	TJUN-ia				17.525
11	Kimi-Suomi			13.600
12	Sajnur				12.510
13	Kriegiersien			10.708
14	Barunia				10.692
15	Rundel				10.413
16	Baggieland			9.713
17	New Lunenburg			9.709
18	Gnejs				9.669
19	Uncertainty			9.450
20	Delaclava			8.925
21	Lisander			8.584
22	Gortolekua			8.181
	StrayaRoos			8.181
24	The Grearish Union		7.460
25	Martune				5.985
26	Milchama			5.950
	Sarzonia			5.950
28	Jeckland			4.520
	Teusland			4.520
30	Samrakstivu			4.489
31	Bollonich			4.463
	Brookstation			4.463
	Goram				4.463
	Quebec and Shingoryeo		4.463
	West Barack and East Obama	4.463
36	Pratapgadh			4.442
37	Ethane				4.277
38	Samrif				4.250
39	Mattijana			4.138
40	Serriel				3.852
41	Indusse				3.648
42	Garbelia			3.500
	Saint-Domingue			3.500
44	Cyborg Holland			2.975
45	Damukuni			2.929
46	Elejamie			2.069
47	Northwest Kalactin		1.757
48	Kohnhead			1.719
49	Hebitaka			1.615
	Silvedania			1.615
51	Godchouzetsu			1.488
52	Drew Durrnil			1.305
53	Anserisa			1.210
	Bolgano				1.210
	Holy Land of Burtander		1.210
	New Maxwellia			1.210
	Notum Ahom			1.210
	Ricardos7qm			1.210
	The Jovannic			1.210
	Waisnor				1.210
61	Subramani			0.764
	The Booter			0.764
	Virtual Nerdania		0.764
64	Sannyamathland			0.673

[Sylestone]

Posting this in the cricket discussion thread rather than the scorinator one because as far as I know, cricket may be the only sport that this effect affects.

Hi all, after playing around with the T20 cricket code this morning in preparation for a bid (which is still in the works), I noticed something very strange. Although I had made noticeable changes to the code, reversing those changes still produced the same trend, of which I shared to the Discord, but with no explanation as to why what happened did happen. Essentially, as the below pictures show, the style mod a team uses - even if they share the same (such as both +5) - the higher the style mod, the more likely the higher ranked team is to win. In the below simulation, with home advantage off, Maxrankville has, yes, you guessed it, max rank while Noobistan has no rank. Both teams have a style mod of +5.



Meanwhile, in the below simulation, both teams have a style mod of -5.



As you can see here, Maxrankville wins 150 more games with a style mod of +5 than a style mod of -5. With a 0 style mod, the chances of Maxrankville winning is around halfway between those win numbers in 1000 simulations, as you would expect. But it doesn't stop there. Although, thankfully, ground modifiers and weather modifiers are commonly used in place of team modifiers, the below results should still be considered. When Maxrankville has a style mod of +5 and Noobistan has a style mod of -5, this happens.



For the cricket scorinator, that's kind of abnormal, although my tinkering may have had an impact there. However, there is no real explanation for this, when Maxrankville has a style mod of -5 and Noobistan +5.



The odds of Maxrankville defeating Noobistan are essentially equal despite the two having opposing ranks.

Thankfully, this trend does not appear in either of the two primary association football scorinators but whether in cricket or another sport, has this been identified before?

Many thanks to Ko-oren, Quebec and Vilita for helping me with this.

[Gruenberg]

Should we think about a new Test season soon?

[Liventia]

Should we think about a new Test season soon?

Sure.

[Liventia]

The plan for the rest of this RL year is probably doing T20 signups/tournament in July-Aug, then ODI signups to coincide with the RL World Cup in Oct with tournament in Nov.

[Milchama]

Sounds good!

Also, thank you so much Liv for a fantastic test season! While I didn't RP as much as I expected I had a great time.

[Gruenberg]

Congrats Darmen! And thanks Liv for hosting!

[Liventia]

Updated T20 ranks after the 15th T20 World Cup:

Rank	Nation				 Total		
1	Ko-oren				39.550
2	Liventia			36.749
3	The Plough Islands		34.626
4	Gruenberg			32.478
5	Sylestone			29.030
6	The Sarian			26.769
7	Darmen				24.910
8	Baggieland			24.630
9	Quebec and Shingoryeo		24.146
10	Ethane				21.866
11	Krytenia			21.387
12	Lisander and Alice Bay		21.199
13	Eastfield Lodge			18.476
14	Kimi-Suomi			17.850
15	Delaclava			15.867
16	TJUN-ia				15.331
17	Lozho				14.324
18	Pratapgadh			13.987
19	Samrif				13.222
20	StrayaRoos			12.341
21	Arjunnagar			12.004
22	Elejamie			11.349
23	Damukuni			11.288
24	Milchama			10.578
	New Gelderland			10.578
	West Barack and East Obama	10.578
27	Sajnur				10.374
28	The Grearish Union		10.126
29	Hebitaka			10.066
30	Rundel				 9.965
31	West Phoenicia			 9.537
32	Bollonich			 9.167
33	Brookstation			 7.933
	Greaterburg			 7.933
	Jabal Akhdar			 7.933
	Uppen Nasa			 7.933
	Wolfstruppen			 7.933
38	Fodhla				 7.843
39	Kriegiersien			 7.474
40	Indusse				 6.668
41	Uncertainty			 6.519
42	Barunia				 6.417
	Dryicor				 6.417
	Garbelia			 6.417
45	Depivik				 5.289
	Lionsroar			 5.289
47	New Jacobland			 4.753
	Sannyamathland			 4.753
	Starblaydia			 4.753
50	Mattijana			 4.184
51	Vilita and Turori		 3.090
52	Al Wadiya			 2.865
	Busoga Islands			 2.865
	Central Shaneville		 2.865
55	Northwest Kalactin		 2.122
	The Jovannic			 2.122
57	Kashyaps			 1.426
	Malandrin			 1.426
59	Greater Kamilistan		 1.379

Signups for T20WC 16 next week.

[Gruenberg]

Pending Syle's permission, I'd like to share the modified T20 file. I believe it's a result of both of us fiddling with it, but mainly him.

In my opinion the scores this tournament were generally much more realistic. On the downside there weren't many really big scores or blowouts, but certainly for the latter stages of the tournament, this formula seems better than the old one.

[Sea Dome]

Congrats Sylestone

[Liventia]

Quick update of the T20 ranks since I did not publish updated ranks after the last tournament:

1	Ko-oren				47.448
2	Gruenberg			42.613
3	Sylestone			42.438
4	Baggieland			40.861
5	Quebec and Shingoryeo		40.348
6	Liventia			37.504
7	Darmen				34.792
8	Krytenia			28.058
9	TJUN-ia				27.328
10	Lozho				27.028
11	The Plough Islands		22.491
12	Delaclava			19.595
13	Fodhla				18.736
14	The Sarian			18.330
15	Sajnur				17.685
16	Lisander and Alice Bay		17.629
17	The Kytler Peninsulae		16.592
18	Damukuni			15.405
19	Milchama			15.239
20	Kimi-Suomi			14.700
21	South Newlandia			14.144
22	Ethane				13.780
23	Eastfield Lodge			12.980
24	Samrif				10.889
25	Drehda				10.336
25	Katterimunk			10.336
25	Sharktail			10.336
28	StrayaRoos			10.163
29	Arjunnagar			 9.645
30	New Gelderland			 8.711
30	West Barack and East Obama	 8.711
32	Pratapgadh			 7.283
33	Brookstation			 6.533
33	Greaterburg			 6.533
33	Jabal Akhdar			 6.533
33	Uppen Nasa			 6.533
33	Wolfstruppen			 6.533
38	Britland			 6.528
38	United Hawkland			 6.528
40	Bollonich			 6.003
41	Rundel				 5.136
42	Elejamie			 5.069
43	West Phoenicia			 4.856
44	Depivik				 4.356
44	Indusse				 4.356
44	Lionsroar			 4.356
47	Hebitaka			 4.269
47	Kriegiersien			 4.269
47	The Grearish Union		 4.269
47	Uncertainty			 4.269
51	Dryicor				 4.202
51	Barunia				 4.202
51	Garbelia			 4.202
54	New Jacobland			 3.113
54	Sannyamathland			 3.113
54	Starblaydia			 3.113
57	Shieldstan			 2.720
58	Vilita and Turori		 2.023
59	Kashyaps			 0.934
59	Malandrin			 0.934

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

Dang!