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by Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:40 am
by Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:44 am
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Your vote matters exactly as much as everyone else's. If you think your vote should count for more or you want to ignore everyone else's opinion and impose what you want, sounds more than a little narcissistic.
And nobody's vote matters very much when the candidates and policies people vote for are all chosen by corporations through political parties.
by Free Algerstonia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:04 am
by Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:12 am
Free Algerstonia wrote:i still don't understand why trump didn't cancel that 2020 election
by Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:18 am
Forever Indomitable wrote:I was just wondering if there's anyone else who doesn't vote for whatever reason in their respective country.
In the US, there's this expression that gets thrown around: "Our democracy" and usually in the context of "X, Y or Z is a threat to our democracy". The thing is, though, if you're a cognitive minority in this country (or maybe in your country, too), you don't really get a say in how you're controlled. There's a "their" democracy for the privileged majorities, but in the idea of the marginalized having a voice, it doesn't exist. If you don't belong to 1 of the 2 parties that get everything here, you may as well cast your vote directly into the trash, because that's exactly what it's worth. And as far as trying to quantify which candidate or platform is marginally worse, I'd rather just abstain from "voting". Because being forced to choose who you'd rather get raped by is a fucking slap in the face and I'd rather just cross my arms than add insult to injury by wasting my time to go make the empty gesture of voting for someone that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.....but that's what it is to live in a society that values tyranny by majority as some kind of universal good.
So, that's why I don't vote. What about you?
(Somebody edited this lol)Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
by Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:19 am
Floofybit wrote:Let me ask, what system to you think is better than democracy? What's more fair?
(Somebody edited this lol)Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
by Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:25 am
by Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:26 am
(Somebody edited this lol)Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
by Crysuko » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:30 am
by Ayytaly » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:48 am
by Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:57 am
by Free Algerstonia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:02 am
by Ayytaly » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:05 am
Free Algerstonia wrote:Floofybit wrote:The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense
trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election
by Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:08 am
Free Algerstonia wrote:Floofybit wrote:The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense
trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election
by Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:09 am
Ayytaly wrote:Free Algerstonia wrote:trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election
>arrest
More like murder and probably rape given how unhinged guys like the ViQing are.
by Gepanzerberg » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:14 am
Free Algerstonia wrote:trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election
by Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:20 am
(Somebody edited this lol)Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
by Repreteop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:22 am
Free Algerstonia wrote:Floofybit wrote:The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense
trump could have used the insurrection act to arrest the democrats that were attempting to take down his administration and cancel the election because too many people were completely brainwashed by the democrats to have a free and fair election
(Somebody edited this lol)Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
by Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:24 am
Repreteop wrote:Floofybit wrote:The president doesn't even decide if an election happens or not, this makes zero sense
Technically, even though the guy is clowning, the president can practically forfeit the elections (or close the elections), but thats when they are so humiliated by getting demolished in the elections.
Jimmy Carter did it (I think, I am basing off my memory.) when he got steamrolled by Reagan ( ) and closed the polls before California turnout.
I am probably wrong, but you get my point, you can forfeit the elections if you don't want to be clowned.
by Floofybit » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:29 am
by Chan Island » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:29 am
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Your vote matters exactly as much as everyone else's. If you think your vote should count for more or you want to ignore everyone else's opinion and impose what you want, sounds more than a little narcissistic.
And nobody's vote matters very much when the candidates and policies people vote for are all chosen by corporations through political parties.
In the US we also have gerrymandering, the Electoral College, and the Senate to make things unequal.Chan Island wrote:
Then join a political party and influence who gets nominated yourself. 2 of my local councillors are friends of mine in part because I did just that- nothing stopping you from doing the same. As I've said before on this thread, democracies give you the tools to change things, just one of them being voting. You're welcome to use them.
You sound like San Lumen.
No political party of any significance is going to listen to a communist, and I don't have the money to make them do what I say. I can do some stuff to make a political impact, but voting and partisanship don't work.
American Legionaries wrote:Chan Island wrote:
Then join a political party and influence who gets nominated yourself. 2 of my local councillors are friends of mine in part because I did just that- nothing stopping you from doing the same. As I've said before on this thread, democracies give you the tools to change things, just one of them being voting. You're welcome to use them.
1) I've gathered evidence that you started a thread on NSG complaining about voting being useless because a privileged cognitive majority is defining the universal good. That your vote might as well go into the bin, and then concluding that that is why you don't vote. Seems like strong evidence to me that you aren't bothering to put in the hard work required to change peoples' minds.
2) The death and destruction that tends to accompany collapses would normally be seen as a very strong reason not to pursue such a course. Exactly what political agenda is so precious that it needs such a drastic thing, exactly?
3) The first tune you had was that you don't vote because you think that voting is useless. Now you're telling me that you actually do vote. Those are directly contradictory claims.
You may want to double check this conclusion before presenting it as "evidence"
Normalcy is irrelevant. And, judging by the number of wars that humanity has engaged in I question even the claim that aversion to war is "normal".
I stated that voting doesn't get me what I want. It would seem to follow from this claim that I do vote, or else how would I know it isn't working?
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Untecna » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:30 am
Floofybit wrote:Everyone is griping about how bad democracy is, but can someone give me a better system? Like seriously, what would you rather have? A dictatorship?
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