1618: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-OPEN]

[Neo Speyland]

Reservation

Nation Name: United Tribes of Mapuche
Territory: Parts of southern Argentina and Chile, I guess. lol
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[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: The Papal States- Stato Pontificio
Territory:Central Italy, Sicily, Malta, Sardinia, and Corsica (Southern Italy if allowed)
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Reservation accepted, and like I mentioned, I'd keep Southern Italy free so that you could expand into it, but if you really want to own it I can add it to the map without any issues

[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: United Tribes of Mapuche
Territory: Parts of southern Argentina and Chile, I guess. lol
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Reservation accepted

[Arvenia]

Is it possible to be a Native American country?

[Tracian Empire]

Is it possible to be a Native American country?

depending on the history you'd create. Al Andalus' discovery and conquest of parts of the Americas seems to follow the real life precedent so it's likely that the native populations of America had to experience the diseases and issues that they did.

As a native nation your ability to interact with others would also likely be limited to other nearby native nations/European colonies, so that's something to take into account.

[Neo Speyland]

Full Nation Name: United Tribes of Mapuche (UTM)
Majority/Official Culture: Mapuche
Territorial Core: Parts of southern Argentina and Chile.
Territorial Claim: N/A
Capital City: Leftraru Mapu
Population: Roughly 950,000

Government Type: Semi-monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies: Defensive, diplomatic
Government Focus: The UTM's government primarily focuses on defending the indigenous nation against the ongoing Muslim colonial threat in order to preserve their sovereignty as a formidable nation. In addition, having been exposed to Islam, High Cheiftess Liwen Leftraru I decided to convert into one, making her the first Mapuche to do so while the rest of the general population remains following the traditional Mapuche religion. Overall, protecting one's sovereignty is the main focus as of right now.
Head of State: High Chieftess Liwen Leftraru I
Head of Government: Many Mapuche tribes in general.
Government Description: The UTM is a semi-monarchy, meaning that the High Chieftain/Chieftess serves as the head of state while the Mapuche tribes serve as head of government. Otherwise, it's a weird but unique form of government.

Majority/State Religion: Traditional Mapuche religion
Religious Description: N/A

Economic Description: The UTM has an agricultural society and they tend to collect food and luxuries via hunting and the like. Overall, they have access to a variety of agricultural foods and trade.
Major Production: Textile, silverwork, agricultural foods and trade


Army Description : The UTM's army of (approximately) 50,000 is a primitive one at that as they're not armed with modern weaponry. Instead, they're equipped with slings, bow and arrows (rarely), spears, a helmet made out of raw leather, and a shield.
Army Weakness : Considering that they're not armed with modern weaponry, they may or may not have the best advantage against their enemies depending on which tactics they would use.
Naval Description : The UTM has little to no navy and they usually use them for recon/scouting purposes.
Naval Weakness : Nothing much to mention in that they barely have any navy.
Further Military Description : Given their disadvantageous state in terms of lack of technological military advancements, the army engages in pitched battles and (sometimes) guerilla warfare. Oh, and they can ride horses too, but in limited numbers.

National Goals : As mentioned before, protecting one's sovereignty and nation is essential to fending off against the growing Muslim colonial threat.
National Issues : Having High Chieftess Liwen Leftraru I as a Muslim ruler, the general population feels a bit distrustful against her considering that she's siding with the religion of her enemy but she denied it at all cost. In her own words, she converted to Islam because she believes that Allah will guide her and her people to victory against her colonial tormentors; yet, the problem still continues from there.
National Figures of Interest : N/A
National Ambition/Aspirations : N/A

History : Since the dawn of humanity and before the formation of a united nation, the Mapuche have been inhabitants of central Chile and parts of Argentina for centuries. Despite that, however, they managed to repel the attempted invasions of the Inca Empire, notably the Battle of the Maule. Now, they have to face a much larger threat than before, the Caliphate of Al-Andalus. Since their victory against the Inca Empire, they started to expand within Mapuche territory, leading to the people's growing fear to take up resistance. Fighting has been frequent since their arrival and they were in need of a capable, brave war leader who could lead the Mapuche to seek freedom.

In the middle of the 16th century, Lautaro, a youthful Mapuche war leader, thought of a plan to engage in pitched battles and guerilla warfare in an effort to gain an upper-hand. At one point, he was almost captured by one of the Muslim soldiers but luckily managed to escape just in time before they even could. There was one legendary incident where Lautaro killed a Muslim soldier in secret at night and then took possession of his scimitar to show a sign of superiority of the Mapuche. With that captured scimitar, Lautaro decided to keep it as an heirloom for future generations to come which still exists to do this day. Fighting between Muslims and Mapuche intensified over the following years but resistance remained somewhat strong with the help of Lautaro. Unfortunately, Al-Andalus's impactful influence on Muslim missionaries and their military having better weaponry than the indigenous population had caused the Mapuche to flee southward to avoid subjugation and to look for a safe spot. Afterward, Lautaro was assassinated by a Mapuche warrior due to his hatred of him trying to seek for a ceasefire with Al-Andalus and was later succeeded by Antiguenu.

Following Lautaro's unfortunate assassination, a short-lived civil war of whether or not they should keep fighting Al-Andalus ensued and hundreds of people lost their lives during that time. Suddenly, a disease outbreak via the colonies of Al-Andalus soon struck the nation which led to Antiguenu to use this military advantage to swiftly defeat the opposing side with ease. The civil war then ended with Antiguenu's victory against a faction of pacifists and peace and unity was finally restored. In this case, Antiguenu decided to form the United Tribes of Mapuche with a reformed semi-monarchy governmental structure at hand, becoming High Chieftain (and founder of the House of Leftraru that was named in his honor) of the unified nation until his death. Now at the beginning of the 17th century, High Chieftess Liwen Leftraru I, cousin of the late Antiguenu, is the current ruler of the UTM and their fight against Al-Andalus continues while her recent religious conversion into the Islamic faith would lead to the common people becoming distrustful of her.

RP Sample:

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[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name: United Tribes of Mapuche (UTM)


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I'm not sure what you mean about the tribes themselves being the head of government. The chieftains maybe? But even then, I find it difficult to believe that the Mapuche to even have the head of state/head of government distinction, and their form of government would likely be less unique and more similar to that of other American tribal confederations. I'm not sure what you mean by a "semi-monarchy". A semi-constitutional monarchy? That would be a bit too advanced and too much of a jump. It's very likely that the Mapuche would simply have managed to maintain the union of tribes for times of war from the times of Lautaro to the present.

Which overall makes me want to ask you to pay a bit more attention to the Mapuche themselves because they have enough terms to come up with a confederation of tribes. From Wikipedia:

Toqui (or Toki) (Mapudungun for axe or axe-bearer) is a title conferred by the Mapuche on those chosen as leaders during times of war. The toqui is chosen in an assembly or parliament (coyag) of the chieftains (loncos) of various clans (Rehues) or confederation of clans (Aillarehues), allied during the war at hand. The toqui commanded strict obedience of all the warriors and their loncos during the war, would organize them into units and appoint leaders over them. This command would continue until the toqui was killed, abdicated (Cayancaru), was deposed in another parliament (as in the case of Lincoyan, for poor leadership), or upon completion of the war for which he was chosen.



Her conversion to Islam would most certainly be an issue which would severely undermine her position but that is something that would play out in the IC.

And a very small complaint, but that flag was made in 1992 and is modern. There are two separate ancient Mapuche flags that you could use, this is a type of flag which was believed to have been used by Lautaro, and this seems to have been a banner of the toqui.

[Kahlenberg]

Hello everybody. I recently came out of hibernation (I noticed some familiar faces in the thread..), and would love to join into this storyline. What nations would you guys see as pivotal or simply missing but lacking a player at the moment?

[Tracian Empire]

Hello everybody. I recently came out of hibernation (I noticed some familiar faces in the thread..), and would love to join into this storyline. What nations would you guys see as pivotal or simply missing but lacking a player at the moment?

Hello there, welcome back

In terms of nations that are open right now, I'd say that Poland is what we'd need most since it could and likely would play a pivotal role in the religious conflict that's soon to start in the HRE.

The HRE still has a few electors which are open, like Brandenburg, which while small, could play an important role also.

A Muslim power in Egypt/Arabia could also be interesting, but it's going to be faced with a war against the Byzantines pretty much as soon as my next IC post.

However, we're right in the middle of a cleaning up of inactive players, so more nations could become open soon. At this moment, Albion/Britain, Hindustan/northern India, Pagan/Indochina and Yuan/northern China might all become open in a day or two.

[Kahlenberg]

Hello there, welcome back

In terms of nations that are open right now, I'd say that Poland is what we'd need most since it could and likely would play a pivotal role in the religious conflict that's soon to start in the HRE.

The HRE still has a few electors which are open, like Brandenburg, which while small, could play an important role also.

A Muslim power in Egypt/Arabia could also be interesting, but it's going to be faced with a war against the Byzantines pretty much as soon as my next IC post.

However, we're right in the middle of a cleaning up of inactive players, so more nations could become open soon. At this moment, Albion/Britain, Hindustan/northern India, Pagan/Indochina and Yuan/northern China might all become open in a day or two.

I think Poland sounds like an interesting choice. I will start working on an application for it.

[Tracian Empire]

Hello there, welcome back

In terms of nations that are open right now, I'd say that Poland is what we'd need most since it could and likely would play a pivotal role in the religious conflict that's soon to start in the HRE.

The HRE still has a few electors which are open, like Brandenburg, which while small, could play an important role also.

A Muslim power in Egypt/Arabia could also be interesting, but it's going to be faced with a war against the Byzantines pretty much as soon as my next IC post.

However, we're right in the middle of a cleaning up of inactive players, so more nations could become open soon. At this moment, Albion/Britain, Hindustan/northern India, Pagan/Indochina and Yuan/northern China might all become open in a day or two.

I think Poland sounds like an interesting choice. I will start working on an application for it.

Nice

If you could drop a reservation using the form that would be great, procedure and everything, I'll be adding you to the map in today's update.

And if you'll have any questions about your app feel free to ask - most of the conversations are happening over in the Discord serving but we're always checking the OOC too.

[Kahlenberg]

WIP (application for Commonwealth)

Full Nation Name: The Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania
Majority/Official Culture: Polish, Lithuanian
Territorial Core: [Add .png]
Territorial Claim: Silesia, Most of Prussia, Riga
Capital City: Krków (Kingdom of Poland), Wilno (Duchy of Lithuania)
Population: Roughly 7.500.000

Government Type: Elective Monarchy (Rex regnat et non-gubernat)
Government Ideology/Policies:
Government Focus: Defend Catholicism against the growing threat of Protestantism, increase stability of government, exploit any weakness of neighboring countries (Rus, HRE, Prussia), counter growing power of Norðurland
Head of State: Sigismund III
Head of Government: The Sejm (Parliament of Nobles)
Government Description: Elective Monarcy with a ruler heavily controlled by a parliament of nobles who hold most of the power. Monarch is both King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania. Poland is the senior partner in this partnership and the Polish nobility is the leading power.

Majority/State Religion: Roman Catholicism
Religious Description: While formally freedom of religion is in place, Sigismund III focusses on suppressing Protestantism and judaism within and outside of his realm.

Economic Description: Poland-Lithuania is a country with a strong emphasis on production, leading Europe's market in grain, livestock (oxen), furs, cloth, timber, linen, cannabis, ash, tar and amber exports to the harbors of the Low Countries. A strong artisan culture exists in the Kingdom of Poland with numbers of paper mills, leather tanneries, ironworks, glassworks and brickyards in the bigger cities. Poland-Lithuania has a number of iron mines.

Major Production: Agricultural products, Timber, Paper, Leather, Iron, Glass, Bricks

Army Description : A merger between the armies of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. The most prestigious formation of the two respective armes are their heavy cavalry in the form of Winged Hussars (husaria), whereas the Polish Royal Guards and Lithuanian Guards are the elite of the infantry. These elite units are supervised directly by the King and his family.

The use of mercenaries is very rare in both armies. A standing army of around 4.500 men is supplemented with levies and local militias in time of war, allowing Poland-Lithuania to field strong and big armies capable of combating most of its neighbors. In order to declare war, the King needs permission from the Sejm.

Army Weakness: The main weakness of this army (arguably one of the strongest field armies in Europe) is its reliance on levies and personal troops/militias. In case of internal strife, this can hamper the ability of the King to field an army capable of fighting strong neighbors. With regard to doctrine, the Polish-Lithuanian cavalry is second to none, while the infantry is bested by its Nordic counterparts.

Naval Description : Poland-Lithuania has a small navy that mainly consists of armed merchantships and galleys.
Naval Weakness : Poland-Lithuania is unable to fight pitched battles on the open sea and can only give fight near its harbors (because of coastal fortresses) or in shallow coastal waters.

Further Military Description: The army focusses on pitched battles, often relying on numerical superiority (versus Scandinavian/Germanic/Slavic foes) or tactical superiority (versus the Rus and Turkish foes).

National Goals : As mentioned before, protecting one's sovereignty and nation is essential to fending off against the growing Muslim colonial threat.
National Issues : Lack of stability, religious unrest in cities, lack of close allies
National Figures of Interest :
National Ambition/Aspirations :

History :

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Territorial Claim: [...] Riga

What an intriguing choice in territorial ambitions. >:D

[Kahlenberg]

Territorial Claim: [...] Riga

What an intriguing choice in territorial ambitions. >:D

Hey, nothing wrong with a little ambition ..

For now, the app is maybe a little too historically correct if we look at the other nations, so I'm going to try and get some AH into the mix with my next edit.

[Tracian Empire]

What an intriguing choice in territorial ambitions. >:D

Hey, nothing wrong with a little ambition ..

For now, the app is maybe a little too historically correct if we look at the other nations, so I'm going to try and get some AH into the mix with my next edit.

Lithuania never took Kiev according to the Rus app, although conflicts with the Rus in the past are very likely. Wars against the Norden in the past could also be a thing.


Also, although I forgot to mention it - because of the loss of the chunk of Ukraine that was part of the PLC at this point in real life, if you wish so, Poland could also own what is left of Hungary, which could by itself be a divergence.

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Map and list updated

Removed Tamazgha, the Cheriyan and Navarre

Added reservations for Poland, the Papal States and Mapuche

[Kingdom of Bornai]

Reservation

Nation Name: Sultanate of Pahang (Kesultanan Pahang)
Territory: Part of the Malay peninsular and Some Islands
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[Neo Speyland]

Full Nation Name: United Tribes of Mapuche (UTM)


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I'm not sure what you mean about the tribes themselves being the head of government. The chieftains maybe? But even then, I find it difficult to believe that the Mapuche to even have the head of state/head of government distinction, and their form of government would likely be less unique and more similar to that of other American tribal confederations. I'm not sure what you mean by a "semi-monarchy". A semi-constitutional monarchy? That would be a bit too advanced and too much of a jump. It's very likely that the Mapuche would simply have managed to maintain the union of tribes for times of war from the times of Lautaro to the present.

Which overall makes me want to ask you to pay a bit more attention to the Mapuche themselves because they have enough terms to come up with a confederation of tribes. From Wikipedia:

Toqui (or Toki) (Mapudungun for axe or axe-bearer) is a title conferred by the Mapuche on those chosen as leaders during times of war. The toqui is chosen in an assembly or parliament (coyag) of the chieftains (loncos) of various clans (Rehues) or confederation of clans (Aillarehues), allied during the war at hand. The toqui commanded strict obedience of all the warriors and their loncos during the war, would organize them into units and appoint leaders over them. This command would continue until the toqui was killed, abdicated (Cayancaru), was deposed in another parliament (as in the case of Lincoyan, for poor leadership), or upon completion of the war for which he was chosen.



Her conversion to Islam would most certainly be an issue which would severely undermine her position but that is something that would play out in the IC.

And a very small complaint, but that flag was made in 1992 and is modern. There are two separate ancient Mapuche flags that you could use, this is a type of flag which was believed to have been used by Lautaro, and this seems to have been a banner of the toqui.

I see. I'll see what I can do when I have time. And as for the semi-monarchy thing, the chieftains are responsible for managing the government aka head of government. I'm sorry for not elaborating more on that note. I don't know why I tend to be vague and not doing enough research sometimes but it happens.

[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: Sultanate of Pahang (Kesultanan Pahang)
Territory: Part of the Malay peninsular and Some Islands
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reservation accepted

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Updated the map and the list, removed Austria, Persia, Hindustan, Pagan, added Pahang

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Gonna have my next IC post up next week

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Gonna have my next IC post up next week :)

Looking forwards to it!

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Post is up, sorry if it's a bit short this time

[Ossereina]

Hello, I haven't seen an islamic state in the middle east within the reservations or accepted, unless I missed it, but did see it requested in the suggested nations area. I don't want to step on any toes or apply for too large of a nation, but would a country spanning both Persia and the unclaimed regions of Mesopotamia as well as the eastern coast of arabia be considered too much for a persian empire like nation?

for a better idea of the land I am asking about I have a poorly edited map to show it.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920541557394931742/1013595642548981941/unknown.png

[Tracian Empire]

Hello, I haven't seen an islamic state in the middle east within the reservations or accepted, unless I missed it, but did see it requested in the suggested nations area. I don't want to step on any toes or apply for too large of a nation, but would a country spanning both Persia and the unclaimed regions of Mesopotamia as well as the eastern coast of arabia be considered too much for a persian empire like nation?

for a better idea of the land I am asking about I have a poorly edited map to show it.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920541557394931742/1013595642548981941/unknown.png

The link does not work, however an Islamic country owning Persia, Iraq,Kuwait and the eastern coast of Arabia would be acceptable territory-wise.