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Glentie
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Postby Glentie » Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:22 am

Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of Southern Italy
Territory: Southern & Parts of east Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica, Tunisia & Parts of Libya
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EDIT:

Just a notice to say I would like to change the name of my claim from 'Kingdom of Sicily' to 'Kingdom of Southern Italy'.


Full Nation Name: The Kingdom of Southern Italy | Il Regno dell'Italia Meridionale | Regnum Italiae Australis
Majority/Official Culture: The primary culture of the Kingdom is Italian, though there are significant communities of Sunni Muslims in the Kingdom's North African holdings, and to a lesser extent in the home territories. Other significant communities are the Romano-Greeks primarily focused in the Puglia region, and Iberian Christians in Corsica, Sardinia, and Ifriqiya.
Territorial Core: Current Territory of the Kingdom of Southern Italy
Territorial Claim: Ambitions for the greater Kingdom of Italy
Capital City: Napoli, Palermo, Cagliari
Population: ~6.5 million

Government Type: Constitutional Rotating Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies: Italian Unification, Militarism, Catholicism
Government Focus:

The focus of the current government is political reform. Currently the Kingdom operates on a complicated and unwieldly system of governance which relies upon a rotating succession of monarchy, and three levels of councils which in total comprise over 600 members. King Alberto III came to power four years ago and has made strenuous effort to overhaul and streamline the council system, centralise and standardise the military, and consolidate more autocratic power into the office of the King. All with mixed success. The ultimate goal of this streamlining is to enable the Kingdom to be the unifier of Italy.

A secondary but ever-present focus of the Kingdom is to weaken the Muslim neighbour states, particularly the Caliphate of Al-Andalus, which it views not only as a threat to Italy but a threat to Catholicism and Christianity as a whole.


Head of State: King Alberto III
Head of Government: Prince Niccolo of Naples
Government Description:

The Kingdom of Southern Italy operates on a unique system of government in which the Crown is rotated between three royal families. This is the result of the Sicilio-Napolese War of 1497-8 which ended with the 1498 Treaty of Rome. This treaty acts as a founding document and constitution for the Kingdom, and dictates a strict law of succession which was necessary to ensure cohesion and cooperation between old enemies. Upon the death or abdication of the reigning monarch, the Crown is not passed to his son but rather to the ruling Prince of the next constituent Principality. The current King Alberto III is of Sicily, his successor is currently Prince Niccolo of Naples. Being the Crown-Prince also means being the head of the Grand Council. When the Prince of Naples assumes the Crown, the next successor shall be the Prince of Sardinia and Corsica, whose successor shall the Prince of Sicily.

The Kingdom has a mixed form of government in which the King exercises considerable authority and control, but is kept in check by the Grand Council. The origins of the Grand Council are also to be found in that 1498 Treaty of Rome, though it has grown in size and power since those earlier days. It now numbers 150 members, including the Prince of Naples as its head and the Prince of Sardinia and Corsica as its deputy. Other members are a collection of upper members of the nobility and large landowners from across the three constituent Principalities. The Grand Council can exercise considerable authority enacting laws and conducting judicial oversight. A sub-council known as the Table of Twenty have further powers to ratify Crown certain decisions such as the appointment of Provincial Governors.

Two other councils exist within the Kingdom but which have considerably less power. These are the Council of Merchants and Guilds, and the Council of Commons. The Council of Merchants and Guilds is also made up of 150 members, those being chapter heads, master craftsmen, and wealthy merchants. Though not able to directly pass laws or exercise great power, the Council enables the monied and skilled classes to organise and exert their will through public forum and petitioning the Grand Council or indeed the King himself. The Council of Commons is the largest of the three, being 300 members. These are freemen, land owners, town mayors, and other members of the monied classes who have the means to get themselves elected. Again this council cannot exercise any direct powers, but have used their forum to organise and protest the King and Grand Council for reform and proposed new laws for the Grand Council to consider.


Majority/State Religion: Roman Catholicism

Economic Description:

The Kingdom's economy is mainly agrarian focused, with all of the constituent Principalities and Provinces being highly fertile areas. Major port cities such as Napoli, Bari, Palermo, Amalfi, and Syracuse export the Kingdom's produce all over the Mediterranean. As much as the staunchly Catholic Kingdom denounces the evils of Islam and warns of its threat to Christianity, it will happily take gold mint from any hand be it Muslim, Jewish, or even Pagan. The Kingdom also makes considerable coin from the taxation of trans-Mediterranean trade, both Maritime and overland. By controlling the waters from Italy to Carthage it also controls the flow of ships and goods. It also controls and taxes the overland caravan routes which cross from the Near East and Egypt, across North Africa to Morocco and Iberia, as well as the many Muslim pilgrims who traverse in the opposite direction making Hajj.


Major Production: Grain, olive oil, wine, timber, nuts, bacon, cheese, furs, hide, hemp, cloth


Army Description :

The constituent principalities of the Kingdom each maintain their own standing armies which they are expected to contribute in full to the needs of the realm. The Kingdom has placed huge importance on the maintenance of a highly professional and modern army to deter invasion from the Muslim world; a rare item on which the Kings, Princes, and Councils are all on unanimous agreement upon. Muskets and pikes are the core of every Italian army, with artillery being favoured in smaller, more manoeuvrable cannons. Cavalry are still used, but they do not command the respect that they do in so many other European armies as martial tradition usually dictates. In the Italian army, cavalry has been regulated to a supporting and harassment role in which their primary purposes are to scout, flank, ambush, and generally hinder the enemy forces. The days of the heavy charge are over in all but the most rare circumstances.

Combined, the standing armies of Sardinia and Corsica, Sicily, and Naples number some 18,000.


Army Weakness :

Despite being well-equipped, disciplined, and trained, the army suffers from the same inefficiencies and fractiousness as the political system. As it is not one single army but rather three stitched together, there are large overlaps in administration and costs which could be reduced. There is also a mismatch in equipment, training, and doctrine between the three armies which can lead to battlefield confusion. It also suffers in that units from one Principality do not like taking orders from the commanders of another, leaving room for infighting and politicking.


Naval Description :

WIP


Naval Weakness :
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : The unification of Italy, expulsion of Islam from mainland Europe, control of Algeria and Morocco.
National Issues : Political reform, expansion of the military, forming alliances with other Christian states.
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
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Tracian Empire
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:36 am

Glentie wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: The Kingdom of Sicily
Territory: Southern & Parts of east Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica, Tunisia & Parts of Libya
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Reservation accepted
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:22 am

Map and list updated
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:35 am

Glentie wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of Southern Italy
Territory: Southern & Parts of east Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica, Tunisia & Parts of Libya
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EDIT:

Just a notice to say I would like to change the name of my claim from 'Kingdom of Sicily' to 'Kingdom of Southern Italy'.


Full Nation Name: The Kingdom of Southern Italy | Il Regno dell'Italia Meridionale | Regnum Italiae Australis
Majority/Official Culture: The primary culture of the Kingdom is Italian, though there are significant communities of Sunni Muslims in the Kingdom's North African holdings, and to a lesser extent in the home territories. Other significant communities are the Romano-Greeks primarily focused in the Puglia region, and Iberian Christians in Corsica, Sardinia, and Ifriqiya.
Territorial Core: Current Territory of the Kingdom of Southern Italy
Territorial Claim: Ambitions for the greater Kingdom of Italy
Capital City: Napoli, Palermo, Cagliari
Population: ~7 million (struggling to find any good resources to base this on, any suggestions?)

Government Type: Constitutional Rotating Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies: Italian Unification, Militarism, Catholicism
Government Focus:

The focus of the current government is political reform. Currently the Kingdom operates on a complicated and unwieldly system of governance which relies upon a rotating succession of monarchy, and three levels of councils which in total comprise over 600 members. King Alberto III came to power four years ago and has made strenuous effort to overhaul and streamline the council system, centralise and standardise the military, and consolidate more autocratic power into the office of the King. All with mixed success. The ultimate goal of this streamlining is to enable the Kingdom to be the unifier of Italy.

A secondary but ever-present focus of the Kingdom is to weaken the Muslim neighbour states, particularly the Caliphate of Al-Andalus, which it views not only as a threat to Italy but a threat to Catholicism and Christianity as a whole.


Head of State: King Alberto III
Head of Government: Prince Niccolo of Naples
Government Description:

The Kingdom of Southern Italy operates on a unique system of government in which the Crown is rotated between three royal families. This is the result of the Sicilio-Napolese War of 1497-8 which ended with the 1498 Treaty of Rome. This treaty acts as a founding document and constitution for the Kingdom, and dictates a strict law of succession which was necessary to ensure cohesion and cooperation between old enemies. Upon the death or abdication of the reigning monarch, the Crown is not passed to his son but rather to the ruling Prince of the next constituent Principality. The current King Alberto III is of Sicily, his successor is currently Prince Niccolo of Naples. Being the Crown-Prince also means being the head of the Grand Council. When the Prince of Naples assumes the Crown, the next successor shall be the Prince of Sardinia and Corsica, whose successor shall the Prince of Sicily.

The Kingdom has a mixed form of government in which the King exercises considerable authority and control, but is kept in check by the Grand Council. The origins of the Grand Council are also to be found in that 1498 Treaty of Rome, though it has grown in size and power since those earlier days. It now numbers 150 members, including the Prince of Naples as its head and the Prince of Sardinia and Corsica as its deputy. Other members are a collection of upper members of the nobility and large landowners from across the three constituent Principalities. The Grand Council can exercise considerable authority enacting laws and conducting judicial oversight. A sub-council known as the Table of Twenty have further powers to ratify Crown certain decisions such as the appointment of Provincial Governors.

Two other councils exist within the Kingdom but which have considerably less power. These are the Council of Merchants and Guilds, and the Council of Commons. The Council of Merchants and Guilds is also made up of 150 members, those being chapter heads, master craftsmen, and wealthy merchants. Though not able to directly pass laws or exercise great power, the Council enables the monied and skilled classes to organise and exert their will through public forum and petitioning the Grand Council or indeed the King himself. The Council of Commons is the largest of the three, being 300 members. These are freemen, land owners, town mayors, and monied classes. Again this council cannot exercise any direct powers, but have used their forum to organise and protest the King and Grand Council for reform and proposed new laws for the Grand Council to consider.


Majority/State Religion: Roman Catholicism

Economic Description:

The Kingdom's economy is mainly agrarian focused, with all of the constituent Principalities and Provinces being highly fertile areas. Major port cities such as Napoli, Bari, Palermo, Amalfi, and Syracuse export the Kingdom's produce all over the Mediterranean. As much as the staunchly Catholic Kingdom denounces the evils of Islam and warns of its threat to Christianity, it will happily take gold mint from any hand be it Muslim, Jewish, or even Pagan. The Kingdom also makes considerable coin from the taxation of trans-Mediterranean trade, both Maritime and overland. By controlling the waters from Italy to Carthage it also controls the flow of ships and goods. It also controls and taxes the overland caravan routes which cross from the Near East and Egypt, across North Africa to Morocco and Iberia, as well as the many Muslim pilgrims who traverse in the opposite direction making Hajj.


Major Production: Grain, olive oil, wine, timber, nuts, bacon, cheese, furs, hide, hemp, cloth


Army Description :

The constituent principalities of the Kingdom each maintain their own standing armies which they are expected to contribute in full to the needs of the realm. The Kingdom has placed huge importance on the maintenance of a highly professional and modern army to deter invasion from the Muslim world; a rare item on which the Kings, Princes, and Councils are all on unanimous agreement upon. Muskets and pikes are the core of every Italian army, with artillery being favoured in smaller, more manoeuvrable cannons. Cavalry are still used, but they do not command the respect that they do in so many other European armies as martial tradition usually dictates. In the Italian army, cavalry has been regulated to a supporting and harassment role in which their primary purposes are to scout, flank, ambush, and generally hinder the enemy forces. The days of the heavy charge are over in all but the most rare circumstances.

Combined, the armies of Sardinia and Corsica, Sicily, and Naples number some 100,000.


Army Weakness :

Despite being well-equipped, disciplined, and trained, the army suffers from the same inefficiencies and fractiousness as the political system. As it is not one single army but rather three stitched together, there are large overlaps in administration and costs which could be reduced. There is also a mismatch in equipment, training, and doctrine between the three armies which can lead to battlefield confusion. It also suffers in that units from one Principality do not like taking orders from the commanders of another, leaving room for infighting and politicking.


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Population estimates that I've been able to find for 1600 give us:
Kingdom of Naples - 3,000,000
Kingdom of Sicily - 1,100,000
Viceroyalty of Sardinia - 300,000
Ottoman Tripolitania - 500,000
Beylik of Tunis - 1,000,000
Corsica - 150,000

So that would give you a population of around 6 million. 6.5 million maybe with the added area in Italy.

Other early thoughts that I could come up with about the app would be mainly about the military. 100,000 is way too large. No single force in the Thirty Years War was that large, with the French having around 80,000 men, the Imperial forces numbering around 90,000 and the Spanish also having 90,000. France, Spain and the Habsburg territories were all larger than what Italy has now, and those forces only came to be during the war and due to its needs.

Standing professional armies are also only now becoming the norm. Assuming that you can get a history of conflict with Al Andalus it would be feasible for Italy to have one, but I would make it smaller. I'm simply estimating here, but maybe 20,000 as a standing, permanent and professional combination of three armies, and then the rest up to 60,000 would be feudal retinues and levies. Further expansion of the forces could happen in the IC - although I should point out that unless you're also hostile with the Berbers, the Navy might be the natural focus of your realms.
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Postby Theyra » Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:58 pm

Okay, and while I tried it looks like the motivation is not there so I am withdrawing from the rp.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:16 am

Theyra wrote:Okay, and while I tried it looks like the motivation is not there so I am withdrawing from the rp.

A shame, but understandable
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Asturies-Llion » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:47 pm

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Nation Name: Hanseatic League
Territory: https://imgur.com/a/eKCqYi8 (Northern Germany, Pomeranian Poland, Courland, Cabo Verde, Luanda, Monrovia, Georgetown and Paramaribo, Venezuelan central coast, Porto Alegre, Tampa, Baltimore and Philadelphia, and Rhode Island and Southern Massachussets)
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Postby Asturies-Llion » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:25 pm

Ignore my previous post, no Hanseatic League:

Reservation

Nation Name: Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
Territory: https://imgur.com/a/ZBC3L46
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Glentie
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Ex-Nation

Postby Glentie » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:44 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Population estimates that I've been able to find for 1600 give us:
Kingdom of Naples - 3,000,000
Kingdom of Sicily - 1,100,000
Viceroyalty of Sardinia - 300,000
Ottoman Tripolitania - 500,000
Beylik of Tunis - 1,000,000
Corsica - 150,000

So that would give you a population of around 6 million. 6.5 million maybe with the added area in Italy.

Other early thoughts that I could come up with about the app would be mainly about the military. 100,000 is way too large. No single force in the Thirty Years War was that large, with the French having around 80,000 men, the Imperial forces numbering around 90,000 and the Spanish also having 90,000. France, Spain and the Habsburg territories were all larger than what Italy has now, and those forces only came to be during the war and due to its needs.

Standing professional armies are also only now becoming the norm. Assuming that you can get a history of conflict with Al Andalus it would be feasible for Italy to have one, but I would make it smaller. I'm simply estimating here, but maybe 20,000 as a standing, permanent and professional combination of three armies, and then the rest up to 60,000 would be feudal retinues and levies. Further expansion of the forces could happen in the IC - although I should point out that unless you're also hostile with the Berbers, the Navy might be the natural focus of your realms.


Thanks for the inputs! Do you have sources for those population estimates? Not that I question them, I'd just love to find more information to inform things like the economy and development. I know this is alt-history but I think it's always best if it's alt-history with a foot in realism. Duly noted on the military front as well, I'll adjust it.

I was travelling cross-country for a job interview the last two days but I'm home again now so should be able to finish up my app tomorrow.

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Tracian Empire
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:08 am

Glentie wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
Population estimates that I've been able to find for 1600 give us:
Kingdom of Naples - 3,000,000
Kingdom of Sicily - 1,100,000
Viceroyalty of Sardinia - 300,000
Ottoman Tripolitania - 500,000
Beylik of Tunis - 1,000,000
Corsica - 150,000

So that would give you a population of around 6 million. 6.5 million maybe with the added area in Italy.

Other early thoughts that I could come up with about the app would be mainly about the military. 100,000 is way too large. No single force in the Thirty Years War was that large, with the French having around 80,000 men, the Imperial forces numbering around 90,000 and the Spanish also having 90,000. France, Spain and the Habsburg territories were all larger than what Italy has now, and those forces only came to be during the war and due to its needs.

Standing professional armies are also only now becoming the norm. Assuming that you can get a history of conflict with Al Andalus it would be feasible for Italy to have one, but I would make it smaller. I'm simply estimating here, but maybe 20,000 as a standing, permanent and professional combination of three armies, and then the rest up to 60,000 would be feudal retinues and levies. Further expansion of the forces could happen in the IC - although I should point out that unless you're also hostile with the Berbers, the Navy might be the natural focus of your realms.


Thanks for the inputs! Do you have sources for those population estimates? Not that I question them, I'd just love to find more information to inform things like the economy and development. I know this is alt-history but I think it's always best if it's alt-history with a foot in realism. Duly noted on the military front as well, I'll adjust it.

I was travelling cross-country for a job interview the last two days but I'm home again now so should be able to finish up my app tomorrow.


Wikipedia, which itself is based on "Two Thousand Years of Economic Statistics" by Alexander V. Avakov, and when the numbers seem odd, I check them with an archived version of Populstat, which used to be the main website for population figures around here but it's a bit cumbersome to use. Most of these numbers are estimates since we're still a century or two away from the first censuses in many parts of Europe - but if the numbers seem right and if they're confirmed by multiple sources it's usually alright.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:10 am

Asturies-Llion wrote:Ignore my previous post, no Hanseatic League:

Reservation

Nation Name: Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
Territory: https://imgur.com/a/ZBC3L46
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Asturies-Llion
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Asturies-Llion » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:31 pm

Full Nation Name:Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów)
Majority/Official Culture: Mostly Polish, with an important Lithuanian presence.
Territorial Core: https://imgur.com/a/ZBC3L46
Territorial Claim: Same as the core
Capital City: Kraków, Poland
Population: 8.4 million (based on estimations of OTL Commonwealth, discounting territories that are not theirs in this ATL)

Government Type: Increasingly Absolute Monarchy, the szlachta is losing power due to the point of divergence.
Government Ideology/Policies: Tolerant, mainly thanks to the extension of Humanism in the Renaissance, treating equally the Polish, the Lithuanians and Rusyns, no matter their religion (including a certain level of tolerance towards jews). The increasingly absolutist stance of the monarchy is reducing the power of the Sejm.
Government Focus: Internal cohesion, cultural and artistic patronage, impulse the trade with Orthodox countries, protection of Christians, reducing the power of szlachta.
Head of State: Alexander II, King of Poland and Duke of Lithuania
Head of Government: Stanisław Żółkiewski, Great Chancellor of the Crown
Government Description:
The Prime Minister is the Speaker of the King in the Sejm, giving the King info about the decisions of the Sejm, petitions of estates and possible reclamations. There is a Voivode in every territory designated by the King that represents the royal interests in the area. There is also a rising group of royal officials, such as scribes, public works workers’, treasurers… There are urban militias under the jurisdiction of royals representants. In the countryside peasants can ask the nobility to fund their military equipment in order to defend the territory in situations of war and emergency.

Majority/State Religion: Roman Catholicism
Religious Description: Even if Roman Catholicism is majoritary and the religion of the State, there is a coexistence with other religious minorities, which are respected as long as they don’t violate official hierarchy. However, certain minorities pay more taxes, such as the Jewish and Orthodox, which have their own temples. The division the Polish-Lithuanian Church is pretty standard, divided in archdiocesis and diocesis. There are bishops, clergy, secular orders (a limited number) and fully Catholic universities (the only exceptions are those under royal supervision, which can be laicist).
The percentages of the faiths are the following: Roman Catholics (87%), Jewish (9%), Protestants (1% Lutherans, 2% Hussites), Others (1%) (The last ones are remnants of pagan faiths, orthodox christianism or muslims)

Economic Description: The population is mostly rural, but with sizeable urbanization. In the countryside the main sectors are agriculture, fishing and cattle breeding. The cities there most important sectors are textile, weapons, luxury goldsmithing, glass industry and tincture. There is also a rising banking sector and commerce, and sectors focused on the extraction of raw materials, such as wood and mining. In the ports of the north there are some shipyards.
Major Production: Grain, timber, metals (gold and copper), coal, amber, liquors, weapons and jewels.


Army Description : Two main branches:
Cavalry: includes heavy cavalry , light cavalry, explorers and transport of material
Infrantry: Pikemen, arquebusiers, musketeers, sappers, apothecaries, light and heavy artillery of long range
It is formed by mercenaries paid by the monarchy, professional soldiers of the nobility and low nobility (hussars), conscripted soldiers and cossacks.
Army Weakness : Outdated artillery
Naval Description : Schooners, galleys and brigantines for coastal patrols and defense.
Naval Weakness : Small navy for shallow seas


National Goals : Defence of borders, commercial expansion and protection of Christendom
National Issues : Internal cohesion, disputes between the nobility and the crown and epidemics motivated by swampy areas.

History :
The completion of the pregnancy of Catherine of Austria gave King Sigismund II Augustus a heirer to the throne, who was born in 1572 with the name of Casimir. In 1572, Casimir V becomes king after the death of his father. During the reign of Casimir V there was a war with certain families of the szlachta revolting in order to get more powers, in which the original heirer, Vladislaus, died in battle. This way, the third succeded the oldest as heirer (his older sister Isabella couldn’t be the heiress). Thus, Alexander II became king in 1608, at the age of 27, with a weakened nobility.

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Glentie
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Ex-Nation

Postby Glentie » Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:03 pm

Sorry, you guys can cancel my reservation. Starting a new job in two weeks so I really won't have the time to participate after that.

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Father Knows Best State

Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:09 pm

Glentie wrote:Sorry, you guys can cancel my reservation. Starting a new job in two weeks so I really won't have the time to participate after that.

A shame but understandable
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Sonakion
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Sonakion » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:54 pm

Reservation

Nation Name: Empire of Ireland
Territory: Island of Ireland(Not sure how to post images, might add some Scottish Islands as territory or claims later)
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Intermountain States
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Intermountain States » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:57 pm

Sonakion wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Empire of Ireland
Territory: Island of Ireland(Not sure how to post images, might add some Scottish Islands as territory or claims later)
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Map shows that Ireland is already taken.
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Sonakion
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Sonakion » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:03 pm

Intermountain States wrote:
Sonakion wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Empire of Ireland
Territory: Island of Ireland(Not sure how to post images, might add some Scottish Islands as territory or claims later)
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Map shows that Ireland is already taken.

My bad, I was so focused on checking for some English State that I completely forgot to go for the easier route aka the map. Given that Albion is a absolute Monarchy and has a Briton culture I guess an Irish vassal wouldn't really make sense.

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Tracian Empire
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:28 pm

Sonakion wrote:
Intermountain States wrote:Map shows that Ireland is already taken.

My bad, I was so focused on checking for some English State that I completely forgot to go for the easier route aka the map. Given that Albion is a absolute Monarchy and has a Briton culture I guess an Irish vassal wouldn't really make sense.

Yeah, I'm afraid that it's unlikely, particularly so since Albion brutally repressed the last Irish rebellion in its history.
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:58 pm

Asturies-Llion wrote:Full Nation Name:Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów)


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  • The title was Grand Duke of Lithuania
  • The government description is slightly confusing. Is the Prime Minister meant to be the Great Chancellor, or is it a separate office? Regardless, you should add a few more details about the Sejm and what powers it has compared to real life.
  • The military descriptions do need a bit more detail. Mercenaries were never popular in real life in the PLC, and that's not something you can explain with your recent divergence. The PLC had a specific military organization that should still be in place and which you should look into because we need more details about whether there is a standing army, whether the PLC uses levies, whether the nobles still have any retinues and so on. You make close to no mention of the strengths of the army, and artillery weakness (which is an interesting choice, I don't remember the PLC having outdated artillery) would not be its only weakness.
  • As for your history, a divergence in 1572 is alright, but you still need more details. Why would a revolt of parts of the szlachta necessarily result in a weakened nobility? Even if the King would have gathered the troops to crush that specific revolt, all it would have done would have been to anger the rest of the nobles. It's true that you are avoiding the Henrician Articles without the extinction of the Jagiellon line, but you still have plenty of prior privileges granted to the nobles (like the Nihil novi). So if you want to show that the PLC is anywhere close to an absolute monarchy, you need to specific what rights the King was able to deny the nobles and how that was accomplished, because beating some nobles won't revoke the authority of the Sejm. So take the notion of a rebellion of the nobles and expand it a little, add some more details about what specifically happened.
  • And a second look at the app would be necessary, particularly since you've made some clear spelling mistakes
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Asturies-Llion » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:03 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Asturies-Llion wrote:Full Nation Name:Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów)


#AltDiv (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

  • The title was Grand Duke of Lithuania
  • The government description is slightly confusing. Is the Prime Minister meant to be the Great Chancellor, or is it a separate office? Regardless, you should add a few more details about the Sejm and what powers it has compared to real life.
  • The military descriptions do need a bit more detail. Mercenaries were never popular in real life in the PLC, and that's not something you can explain with your recent divergence. The PLC had a specific military organization that should still be in place and which you should look into because we need more details about whether there is a standing army, whether the PLC uses levies, whether the nobles still have any retinues and so on. You make close to no mention of the strengths of the army, and artillery weakness (which is an interesting choice, I don't remember the PLC having outdated artillery) would not be its only weakness.
  • As for your history, a divergence in 1572 is alright, but you still need more details. Why would a revolt of parts of the szlachta necessarily result in a weakened nobility? Even if the King would have gathered the troops to crush that specific revolt, all it would have done would have been to anger the rest of the nobles. It's true that you are avoiding the Henrician Articles without the extinction of the Jagiellon line, but you still have plenty of prior privileges granted to the nobles (like the Nihil novi). So if you want to show that the PLC is anywhere close to an absolute monarchy, you need to specific what rights the King was able to deny the nobles and how that was accomplished, because beating some nobles won't revoke the authority of the Sejm. So take the notion of a rebellion of the nobles and expand it a little, add some more details about what specifically happened.
  • And a second look at the app would be necessary, particularly since you've made some clear spelling mistakes

I will work further on the app. However, if I have made some "clear spelling mistakes", I am sorry, this is not my first language.
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Tracian Empire
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:15 am

Asturies-Llion wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
  • The title was Grand Duke of Lithuania
  • The government description is slightly confusing. Is the Prime Minister meant to be the Great Chancellor, or is it a separate office? Regardless, you should add a few more details about the Sejm and what powers it has compared to real life.
  • The military descriptions do need a bit more detail. Mercenaries were never popular in real life in the PLC, and that's not something you can explain with your recent divergence. The PLC had a specific military organization that should still be in place and which you should look into because we need more details about whether there is a standing army, whether the PLC uses levies, whether the nobles still have any retinues and so on. You make close to no mention of the strengths of the army, and artillery weakness (which is an interesting choice, I don't remember the PLC having outdated artillery) would not be its only weakness.
  • As for your history, a divergence in 1572 is alright, but you still need more details. Why would a revolt of parts of the szlachta necessarily result in a weakened nobility? Even if the King would have gathered the troops to crush that specific revolt, all it would have done would have been to anger the rest of the nobles. It's true that you are avoiding the Henrician Articles without the extinction of the Jagiellon line, but you still have plenty of prior privileges granted to the nobles (like the Nihil novi). So if you want to show that the PLC is anywhere close to an absolute monarchy, you need to specific what rights the King was able to deny the nobles and how that was accomplished, because beating some nobles won't revoke the authority of the Sejm. So take the notion of a rebellion of the nobles and expand it a little, add some more details about what specifically happened.
  • And a second look at the app would be necessary, particularly since you've made some clear spelling mistakes

I will work further on the app. However, if I have made some "clear spelling mistakes", I am sorry, this is not my first language.

Don't worry, that's completely understandable, it's not my first language either.

To help, you could maybe enable the spellchecking - most browsers have such an option and it can help you spot mistakes.
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Reverend Norv
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Founded: Jun 20, 2014
New York Times Democracy

Postby Reverend Norv » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:56 am

Per the rules in the IC, my post starts the one-page timer on annexation of three provinces along the eastern coast of Australia.

Moreover, since this will require a map update, I've taken the liberty of making two corrections to the original map. The Dutch colony in northern South America, per my original app, was supposed to be located at the Orinoco Delta. The map presently shows that colony several hundred miles to the west of the delta. Moreover, my app mentioned a Fort Voorzienigheid at the mouth of the Biobio River, on the Pacific coast of South America, at what is now the site of Concepcion in Chile. That colony was never reflected on the map, but it is about to become important for purposes of the trans-Pacific trade with Australia, so I would like it to be added in the next update.

All told, here is a map with those changes: the new claims in Australia, the correctly located old claim at the Orinoco Delta, and the old-but-never-mapped claim at Concepcion. Let me know if any of this poses an issue. Thanks!
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:24 am

Apologies for my lack of activity in the IC, I've been unusually busy lately and haven't had the time to sit down and bash out a full-length RP post. Hopefully I'll reply this week, and address both the Joseon delegation and the current state of Japan's colonial war in the Philippines.
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Kinistian
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Ex-Nation

Postby Kinistian » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:53 pm

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Ex-Nation

Postby Kinistian » Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:32 pm

Reservation

Nation Name: The Papal States- Stato Pontificio
Territory:Central Italy, Sicily, Malta, Sardinia, and Corsica (Southern Italy if allowed)
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