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by Meguminsk » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:43 pm
by Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:45 pm
Hiram Land wrote:It really depends, honestly, on the police's reputation and actions, potentially the cities and areas where they serve, and a few other factors. Where I live (NYC) our police department has a... not so good reputation, though in other areas police may be regarded as a helping hand - hell, such reputations can change and a police department might be considered a hero in the city's society even as decades before it wasn't given this reputation (see the Hong Kong police force as one example), so really it depends lol
by Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:45 pm
Meguminsk wrote:idk how it is in other countries but where I come from they are a necessary evil. sure, every once in a while, they stop you over for a fee for a violation you never did but they are also the ones keeping the peace, stopping crimes, etc.
by Terrorist Group » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:06 pm
Hiram Land wrote:It really depends, honestly, on the police's reputation and actions, potentially the cities and areas where they serve, and a few other factors. Where I live (NYC) our police department has a... not so good reputation, though in other areas police may be regarded as a helping hand - hell, such reputations can change and a police department might be considered a hero in the city's society even as decades before it wasn't given this reputation (see the Hong Kong police force as one example), so really it depends lol
disclaimer: i'm not here to defend a police force or say that one is bad and dumb, just saying it depends on factors that may be different the other town/county/country over
by Infected Mushroom » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:09 pm
by The Kingdom of the Three Isles » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:14 pm
Those who say they are based aren’t based. Those who say they are humble ain’t humble. Those who say they are chads ain’t chads.Ordo Theutonicorum wrote: they have a cross-pattee on their flag??
by The Kingdom of the Three Isles » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:14 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote: If I had better physical stats, I would consider joining.
Those who say they are based aren’t based. Those who say they are humble ain’t humble. Those who say they are chads ain’t chads.Ordo Theutonicorum wrote: they have a cross-pattee on their flag??
by Hiram Land » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:15 pm
Terrorist Group wrote:Hiram Land wrote:It really depends, honestly, on the police's reputation and actions, potentially the cities and areas where they serve, and a few other factors. Where I live (NYC) our police department has a... not so good reputation, though in other areas police may be regarded as a helping hand - hell, such reputations can change and a police department might be considered a hero in the city's society even as decades before it wasn't given this reputation (see the Hong Kong police force as one example), so really it depends lol
disclaimer: i'm not here to defend a police force or say that one is bad and dumb, just saying it depends on factors that may be different the other town/county/country over
Agreed. The term “police” is also somewhat vague, given we can define “police” as a force merely keeping the peace in an area, keeping a peace equivalent to tyranny, or somewhere in between. If we use the Oxford Languages definition, which defines police as “the civil force of a national or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order”, then I would not consider them villains, but the term is, again, ambiguous.
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by Terminus Station » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:43 pm
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by Phytia » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:49 pm
by USS Monitor » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:57 pm
Big Jim P wrote:That depends entirely on the individual officer(s).
by Alcala-Cordel » Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:18 pm
by American Legionaries » Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:29 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
^This.
The world isn't all black and white, and the cops are not some kind of hivemind. They are people, and people can be both good and bad.
...but they did sign up to enforce a fundamentally racist system, intentionally or not.
To go with a dramatic example, would you consider it fair to say that people who willingly join the Taliban are villains?
by Abarri » Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:45 pm
by Terrorist Group » Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:29 pm
Hiram Land wrote:Terrorist Group wrote:
Agreed. The term “police” is also somewhat vague, given we can define “police” as a force merely keeping the peace in an area, keeping a peace equivalent to tyranny, or somewhere in between. If we use the Oxford Languages definition, which defines police as “the civil force of a national or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order”, then I would not consider them villains, but the term is, again, ambiguous.
That definition can also essentially apply to the military too y'know.
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by Bistritza » Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:38 pm
Phytia wrote:The neo-liberal governments seems to have a spate of dwindling authority of late.
Their only means of convincing the growing ranks of the opposition is to use force: the police.
This means the police are - in various countries - heavily politicised. And that is a huge problem. Once the police is no longer neutral, anybody who doesn´t already agree with the neo-liberals is going to limit their interactions with law enforcement, and consider private actions (vigilatism). And for some, it will be a small step from considering to practicing.
by El Lazaro » Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:58 pm
by Heloin » Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:03 pm
by Radiatia » Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:07 pm
by Terrorist Group » Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:38 pm
Hiram Land wrote:Terrorist Group wrote:
Agreed. The term “police” is also somewhat vague, given we can define “police” as a force merely keeping the peace in an area, keeping a peace equivalent to tyranny, or somewhere in between. If we use the Oxford Languages definition, which defines police as “the civil force of a national or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order”, then I would not consider them villains, but the term is, again, ambiguous.
That definition can also essentially apply to the military too y'know.
Heloin wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
^This.
The world isn't all black and white, and the cops are not some kind of hivemind. They are people, and people can be both good and bad.
If you work for a system that is fundamentally broken to it's core then it doesn't matter if there are good individuals. The argument you both are making is a deflection to solely blame individuals for the crimes of a system designed to protect and encourage those individuals. Any point to be argued here isn't about individuals, it is about systems and institutions.
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