[OOC thread] Cricket — GCF ODI World Trophy III

[Liventia]

Signups updated to 32, with three potential cuts if there are further signups (two puppets and Rundel).

[Brookstation]

Having reached 32 signups, signups are now closed.

The Everything Thread has been put up and nations can post their rosters and roleplays :
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=39706245#p39706245

The group draw will be conducted within 1 or 2 days. Hope everyone has a good time enjoying cricket.

[West Barack and East Obama]

Just made my first roster post, I have limited knowledge on cricket and this is my first time making such a big post so if I did anything wrong please let me know!!

[Liventia]

Just made my first roster post, I have limited knowledge on cricket and this is my first time making such a big post so if I did anything wrong please let me know!!

Your reserves should not be in your batting order.

[West Barack and East Obama]

Just made my first roster post, I have limited knowledge on cricket and this is my first time making such a big post so if I did anything wrong please let me know!!

Your reserves should not be in your batting order.

Got it - I've amended my post.

[Gruenberg]

^

Other than that looks fine. The batting order, with batters first, bowlers last, is better than some past rosters have managed!

[Ko-oren]

The group draw has taken place: that and the schedule are now available in the RP/Rosters/Results thread!

[Ko-oren]

It's not too late to post a roster! Matchday 1 is scheduled for Monday (or very early on Tuesday for some), so there's still some time. Please post them in the Rosters/RP/Results thread.

[West Barack and East Obama]

OOC: Losing to the eventual winners basically means we got 2nd

Congrats for real though to everyone and tanks this was fun!!

[The Sarian]

Congratulations to the winner! And thank you to the amazing hosts, especially Brookstation - I had no idea this was your first time hosting!

One thing I noticed when putting my roster together was how rusty I was at some of the details on certain players, as it had been such a long time since the last ODI World Cup. I understand that we're not going to have any speeding up on the cycle as people have other sports to focus on and the last thing we want is burnout, but I was wondering if there would be any appetite for a 'Bilateral Tours' thread in a similar vein to the football friendly thread. RPing would be optional, and it would allow us to put more flesh on the bones of our national sides (and indeed, tour matches against domestic opponents or even youth/a team tours) outside of the flagship GCF events.

[Gruenberg]

Thanks for hosting Ko-Bros.

I'd be up for bilaterals as per Sarian's suggestion.

Any thoughts on how we could change the formula? Having so many sides lose 8 or 9 wickets chasing down totals at twice the speed they need to bat at is just frustrating.

[The Plough Islands]

Thanks for the congratulations! :3 I don't think it's quite sunk in yet; I hoped I had a chance when I got to the final, but didn't want to get carried away lest I be disappointed...
Commiserations to Ko for what was a very well roleplayed campaign, and thanks to yourself and to Brookstation for a good hosting experience - I likewise wouldn't have guessed it was Brookstation's first tournament from how smoothly run it's been. The level of roleplay and engagement has been really good as well; nine pages of RP is brilliant for a so-called 'niche' sport, and I've enjoyed reading most of the posts people have come up with.

The only real downer has been, as Gruenberg mentioned earlier in the tournament, the fact that the xkoranate paradigm has been generating increasingly absurd results, to the point where I've genuinely struggled to roleplay anything sane happening during the match or given up and written an RP about something else for a couple of cutoffs. (This ended up bleeding into my semi-final RP - where at EFL's suggestion bad weather disrupted their innings and made the pitch unplayable - but obviously we can't have that happening constantly)
I don't entirely know what the solution to this would look like but I'm happy to offer my services for testing any new paradigm? This could be something we look at while the update to the xkoranate codebase is happening.

I'd also tentatively be in favour of bilateral series, although with the heat here I feel burned out enough already for the immediate future :P (Regional tournaments would also work for filling the gap - these already have a history for Esportiva and Anaia, and there is a lull in GCF activity coming up in August/September that would make that an ideal time to host them!)

[Sylestone]

First of all, I'd like to join the chorus of voices thanking Ko-oren and Brookstation for their flawless hosting - I thoroughly enjoyed RPing the tournament. Also, massive congratulations to Plough for their title.

Relating to the scorinator discussion, while I don't know squat about coding or creating a paradigm, I do have a couple of suggestions. The first one (which I believe was brought up by Ko-oren) would be to deal with the wacky run rates for the group stage (something that we would have to do anyway, especially if net run rate is a tiebreaker), but only post the run scores for the knockout stage, once NRR is no longer a factor? That would avoid most of the controversy surrounding weird over/wicket counts, particularly in the latter stages of a tournament.

My other suggestion, which could tie into the first, would be to use the scorelines we have right now, but make it clear that if both RPers feel as though the wicket counts require adjusting (and over counts in knockout matches, or in games where NRR is not a factor), then with host approval, they may change the required values to a more suitable number? The main issue with this would be if you're playing a completely or relatively inactive nation, but then I guess hosts could grant an exception depending on circumstance?

I'm just throwing ideas out there and I've likely missed flaws, but they're options for now.

Finally, with the bilateral series thread suggestion, I'd definitely support that idea. I think that its purpose may serve slightly differently though - we probably don't want active RPers clogging up the thread for the actual scheduling (as weird as it sounds), so maybe making a scheduling thread and an RP/roster/result one would be the way to tackle it, similar to the GCF Test Season?

I'd also tentatively be in favour of bilateral series, although with the heat here I feel burned out enough already for the immediate future (Regional tournaments would also work for filling the gap - these already have a history for Esportiva and Anaia, and there is a lull in GCF activity coming up in August/September that would make that an ideal time to host them!)

Indeed, Esportiva's regional cricket tournament (the EspoT20) will be opening signups in early August.

[Ko-oren]

The first one (which I believe was brought up by Ko-oren) would be to deal with the wacky run rates for the group stage (something that we would have to do anyway, especially if net run rate is a tiebreaker), but only post the run scores for the knockout stage, once NRR is no longer a factor? That would avoid most of the controversy surrounding weird over/wicket counts, particularly in the latter stages of a tournament.

My other suggestion, which could tie into the first, would be to use the scorelines we have right now, but make it clear that if both RPers feel as though the wicket counts require adjusting (and over counts in knockout matches, or in games where NRR is not a factor), then with host approval, they may change the required values to a more suitable number? The main issue with this would be if you're playing a completely or relatively inactive nation, but then I guess hosts could grant an exception depending on circumstance?

Going a little further than that: because it only matters to NRR if you went all out or not, we could post runs and overs only for every match ("Plough Islands 190 (50 overs) -Ko-oren 301 (32.1 overs)"), even in the group stage, and only include "(all out)" when xkoranate said so ("Ko-oren 451 (50 overs) - Kryentia 120 (ao 18.4 overs)"). It's not a perfect system and only deals with the symptoms, but it allows for NRR to be a tiebreaker (because you need runs, overs, and all-outs) and gives some extra freedom to the scorecard fanatics out there. It does mean a little extra work for hosts.

Let's move the wicket discussion in Limited Overs to the general cricket discussion thread, because this plagues both ODIs and T20s.

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That said, thanks all for RPing so much to such a high level! And Plough, I would hardly call cricket a niche sport on NSS anymore...

Always up for bilaterals, calling up new players in a slightly lower pressure setting, maybe do some statkeeping.

[Baggieland]

Congrats to Plough and thanks to Ko-oren and Brookstation for a job well done on the hosting.

Not Baggieland's best tournament, but we'll be back!

[Milchama]

Congratulations to the winner! And thank you to the amazing hosts, especially Brookstation - I had no idea this was your first time hosting!

One thing I noticed when putting my roster together was how rusty I was at some of the details on certain players, as it had been such a long time since the last ODI World Cup. I understand that we're not going to have any speeding up on the cycle as people have other sports to focus on and the last thing we want is burnout, but I was wondering if there would be any appetite for a 'Bilateral Tours' thread in a similar vein to the football friendly thread. RPing would be optional, and it would allow us to put more flesh on the bones of our national sides (and indeed, tour matches against domestic opponents or even youth/a team tours) outside of the flagship GCF events.

I love this idea. I think it makes a lot of sense and also provides some way to do cricket in little chunks without thinking about tournaments.

If you want to start, I'm more than happy to do a tour somewhere.

[Arjunnagar]

In if Signups are still open

[Milchama]

In if Signups are still open

Sorry, unfortunately the tournament just ended! However, there is still more cricket to come soon (I don't remember the specific schedule) so be on the look out.

[The Plough Islands]

Managed to write an RP for the final up at long last - thanks again to everyone who took part for making the tournament so special to be involved in <3

Do we have updated ODI rankings? (he asked, entirely selfishly so he can update his signature, heh)