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Krugmar
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Postby Krugmar » Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:44 pm

Full Nation Name: Cheriyan Dynasty | Kingdom of Cochin | Kochiraj | Nasraniraj | Holy Kingdom of St. Thomas | Cochin
Majority/Official Culture: Malayalam is the primary culture. Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Sinhala, Marathi, and more are core cultures in India. Overseas you'll find Omani, Socotran, Swahili, Thai, Mon, Sumatran, Javanese, Bornean, and Sulawesi.
Territorial Core: Southern India, Oman, Socotra, Tanzanian Coast, Ligor, Parts of Sumatra, Borneo, Java, and Sulawesi.
Territorial Claim: Further control and influence over South-East Asia and Africa. Essentially a desire to establish a chokehold over trade in the Indian Ocean.
Capital City: Kochi
Population: It's difficult to find an exact figure, but I'd say 30 to 40 million?

Government Type: Monarchy
Government Focus: Mercantile: The Cheriyans having achieved a dominant state in India seek to exploit the wealthy trade in the Indian Ocean
Head of State: Maharaja Pailan Pranji
Head of Government: Mahapradhana Skariah Kora
Government Description:

Majority/State Religion: St. Thomas Christianity
Religious Description: Although established as a Christian kingdom, the majority of the population are adherents of Hinduism. Indeed the Cheriyan kings present themselves as defenders and patrons of Hinduism, even going so far as to establish or rebuild temples and holy sites, and ask for the patronage of Hindu deities. During the reign of patronage was given to scholars who wrote theses syncretising God and Brahman, and drawing upon Islam ideas such as ‘people of the book’ to render Hindus somewhere between virtuous pagans and misguided Christians.

Christianity is the religion of the elite, although it also has a significant following in the Malabar Coast. While there have been some conversions and proselytizing throughout the region, there has never been a major concerted effort by Cheriyan monarchs to convert their populace. This is largely due to a relative tolerance of other religion, caste bias and cultural entrenchment, and a desire to keep the peace between communities. The monarchs have been particularly worried about foreign missionaries, particularly Orthodox and Catholic, despite some talks of restoring communion with either of the schismatic churches.

Islam is one of the other major religions in the region, having been introduced to the Malabar coast in the 7th century, and entrenched in other areas due to the Delhi Sultanate’s invasions in the 14th century. Muhammad bin Tughlaq’s short-lived capital in the Deccan solidified a strong Muslim community in the south. The Cheriyan kings vacillate in their policies towards Muslim, either persecuting and attempting conversion, or tolerating and even providing patronage and support. The latter is prevalent in the Malabar coast, while the unruly Muslims of the Deccan, used to being a ruling class, often experience the former.

Jainism and Buddhism have a far smaller presence, particularly the latter which has seen its sphere of influence move from India to South-East Asia after the Muslim conquest of North India. Both are given patronage by the Cheriyan monarchs, with Jains especially being heavily recruited into the state bureaucracy and receiving support for mercantile activities both home and abroad. Some foreign visitors have remarked that the Cheriyan enterprise in the Indian Ocean would not be possible without the Jains.


Economic Description: As with most other states the majority of the population works in the agricultural sector. Urban centres form the basis for small local economies, and also as hubs for manufacturing. Ports are the main focus of the economy, with the Cheriyans focusing upon India's historical role as a middle-man between east and west. Many cargo ships carry exotic spices and refined products from Indonesia and China respectively. The Cheriyans have sought to control the supply of the former by gaining influence in the spice islands, both diplomatically and by force. As what would happen with western nations in the age of colonialism and imperialism, this has resulted in a vicious cycle, more ships and soldiers to secure lands producing resources, to pay said soldiers, and repeat.
Major Production: Pepper, ginger, cinnamon, cardamom, myrobalan, tamarind timber, anafistula, precious and semi-precious stones, pearls, musk, ambergris, rhubarb, aloe, cotton cloth and porcelain. (Major exports from IRL Vijayanagara according to wikipedia, production would also include agricultural produce but that'd be unlikely to be exported excepting luxury/cash crops)

Army Description : There are two main sources for the Cheriyan army: the Maharaja's personal army, and a feudal army. The personal army consists of semi-professional soldiers, along with levies from crownlands, and foreign mercenaries, while the feudal army is supplied by local magnates for particular campaigns. The majority of mercenaries hired are Byzantine and Andalusian, with a growing number of Chinese, Korean, and Japanese. The Maharaja can call upon 100,000 infantry, 20,000 cavalrymen, and over 900 elephants for his personal army, which can be supplemented by feudal levies, mercenaries, and hired bandits.

The nature of the Deccan does not suit great battles. While the Ganges Plains can be swept through in mere months, it can take years and decades to conquer regions of the Carnatic. For this reason the Cheriyans pioneered a slow and steady method in their conquests, seizing key forts one at a time. With their focus turned elsewhere they now rely upon a defensive strategy, one which aims to attrition and reduce the armies of any who invade.
Army Weakness : Over-reliance on foreign mercenaries for cannons and muskets, and elephants for shock tactics
Naval Description : The pride of the kingdom, the navy is led by the Navigadaprabhu (Commander of the Navy), and is divided into various fleets and squadrons. The navy is primarily used to secure trade across the Indian Ocean, and recently has been heavily invested in to provide a force able to mount expeditions to Indonesia and Africa.
Naval Weakness : Probably a lack of cannon? Not entirely sure. It'd certainly be very expensive to upkeep, so added pressure on the treasury.

National Goals : - Break up northern India into multiple states
- Dismantle the Pagan Empire
- Gauge Dutch intentions in the Spice Islands
- Solidify control of the Indian Ocean
- Prevent Chinese re-unification, particularly under the Fei
National Issues : Control of the Strait of Malacca is essential. The biggest issue facing the Cheriyans are the empires to their north and east. One seeks the Cheriyan's destruction, the other blocks its way to economic dominance. Overall the Cheriyan monarchs are more focused on the Pagan issue, for the Deccan is a graveyard of emperors and would-be conquerors.

History : Cheriyan history begins with its first ruler, Ittyavirah Cheriyan, a Malayalam St. Thomas Christian who achieved a high position in the Vijayanagaran court. After the Battle of Talikota in 1565 the empire was left in a state of shock. The Aravidu dynasty took power briefly, but they were overwhelmed with rebellious subjects. Ittyavirah was able to rally support and from Kochi declare his own dynasty. Within two years he took the capital of Penukonda and established the first Christian kingdom in India.

His rule was brief but decisive and efficient. He restored the shattered army and prevented further Deccan Muslim incursions into his newfound kingdoms, shored up the treasury, and established lucrative deals with the Dutch and Andalusians. It was on this basis that his successor, Tharu the Thunderbolt was able to double the kingdom's territory in less than a decade. His usage of mercenary gunners, coupled with a strong navy, allowed him to challenge the Deccan Sultanates and avenge the fallen Rama Raya and the defeat of 1565. Over his short reign, and the longer reign of his son Mathai, the Deccan Sultanates were brought to heel and integrated into the kingdom.

Mathai's successor, his brother Pranji, would authorise the first expeditions outside India. In 1602 the city of Muscat was seized, a key port necessary to influence the Persian Gulf. In 1604 the Sultanate of Aceh was defeated, after having refused preferential treatment for Cheriyan merchants. This allowed the creation of a client kingdom in Riau. His son Pailan has continued these mercantile policies, turning the cities of the former Kilwa Sultanate into tributaries, and defeating the Mataram Sultanate and establishing garrisons in Java, Borneo, and Makassar.

Pailan nows stands at a crossroads. He cannot continue focusing solely on mercantile expansion in the Indian Ocean while his northern borders are threatened. Neither can he ignore the threat posed by Pagan and Fei to the natural order. He will seek a rapprochement with the Dutch, Song, Koreans, and Japanese to shore up the security of his young kingdom. He sees weakness to the north and east, counting upon the rebellious Hindu subjects of his northern neighbour to destabilise it, and the pragmatic difficulties of rule for the Pagan to render it unable to respond effectively to pirates and privateers harassing its trade and ports. For the Fei he is not concerned particularly, only that they might distract the Song from effectively distracting the Pagan empire.

List of Rulers :
  • Ittyavirah Cheriyan (1515 - 1573, r. 1567-1573)
  • Tharu Ittyavirah 'Itiminnal' (1533 - 1581, r. 1573-1581)
  • Mathai Tharu (1559-1601, r. 1581-1601)
  • Pranji Mathai (1563-1606, r. 1601-1606)
  • Pailan Pranji (1589-, r. 1606-)

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Postby Khasinkonia » Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:52 pm

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I've updated my reservation. I would also prefer if my map color were this, if that's not too much trouble. Thanks again!

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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:02 pm

Yeahhhh I'm just gonna be dropping out of this one, sorry guys. Staying on as 'staff' I guess but motivation for roleplay remains at a consistent rock bottom.
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Postby Draos » Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:24 pm

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Postby Khasinkonia » Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:09 pm

Before I continue any further, I would like to ask if it would be possible for paganism to continue to be the major faith of Gaul? I had intended for religion to have been the biggest motivator behind the Gaulish Revolt, which would take place around 380, when Christianity was made the state religion of Rome.

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Postby Intermountain States » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 am

Full Nation Name: Empire of the Great Joseon, 대조선제국, 大朝鮮帝國
Majority/Official Culture: Korean
Territorial Core: Korean Peninsula, Jeju Island, Manchuria, Liaodong Peninsula
Territorial Claim: World east of the East Sea (of Japan)
Capital City: Hanseong (Seoul)
Population: 20,500,000

Government Type: Absolute bureaucratic monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies: Neoconfucianism,
Government Focus: Military build up, colonization of the Pacific, exploring the world east of the East Sea
Head of State: Emperor Geonmun (personal name Yi Hon)
Head of Government: Chief State Councilor Yi Won-ik
Government Description: The Emperor rules for life, unlike any of his appointees and members of the Assembly and all Emperors of Joseon descends from the Imperial House of Yi (Jeongju Yi Clan) since its foundation. The Emperor commands absolute loyalty from his officials and subjects, but officials are expected to try to guide the Emperor to the right path if the latter was mistaken and Emperors are usually sensitive to public opinions. The Emperor's cabinet is called the State Council and is the highest organ of government in Joseon right below the Emperor. Supposedly, the Samjoko Throne holds major power in the government with the Ministries/State Council serving as the advisory board but powers of the the Emperor and the Chief State Councilor change over time with some Emperors serving as absolute monarchs while others leave daily agendas to the Ministries. The bureaucratic element of the government is dominated by Confucian scholars who enter service in the government through the civil service exam. All officials are expected to have passed a series of literary and psychological tests that determine their ability to serve the empire. Theoretically, anyone, excluding women, can take the civil service exams but only the wealthy have the money to afford preparations for the exams. However, seeing a lowborn take and pass the exams are not uncommon and are often celebrated in stories.

Joseon follows a caste system separated by 4 categories: yangban, jungin, sangmin, and cheonmin. The yangban (two rulers) class is the ruling class made up of highly educated civil servants and military officials enjoying special privileges such as exemption from taxations. The jungin (middle people) class is the middle class of Korea, making up petty bureaucrats, scientists, interpreters, military officers, and other skilled workers serving as administrative support for the government. Although not part of the yangban aristocracy, they enjoy better social standings than the lower class of sangmin and cheonmin with special privileges. The sangmin (clean commoners) class is the lower middle class of Korea, consisting of peasants, heavy laborers, fishermen, some craftsmen, and merchants. The sangmin class makes up the majority of the population and are burdened with military drafts and are subjected to most of the country's taxations. Few own lands and many work as tenant farmers for the upper class. The cheonmin (vulgar commoner) is the lowest class of commoners in Korean society, usually hereditary and have professions seen as unclean to the eyes of the upper class such as butchers (the term baekjeong can refer to just butchers or for people in cheonmin class in general), shamans, shoemakers, metalworkers, prostitutes, magicians, sorcerers, jail-keepers, and performers. Cheonmins often face discrimination by Joseon society due to existing Neo-confucian ideals. A subcategory of cheonmin is nobi which can refer to servants, either slaves or serfs, although the nobi class are in many cases, socially indistinct from the lower classes of Joseon society. The vast majority of Joseon society are humans with very few, if any, nonhumans living in Korea.

Majority/State Religion: The country is majority Buddhist
Religious Description: Although Confucianism plays an important role in the governance of Joseon, Buddhism is still very common in Joseon alongside Taoism and local shaman religions. Christianity and Islam are small but growing religions, coming from Christian and Muslim merchants from Europe and Korea's western neighbors, although both Christian sects have more success in its spread among the Korean populous. Another growing religious movement is the worship of the ancient Supreme King Dongmyeong of Goguryeo.

Economic Description: Agriculture remains a major industry in the Korean mainland. In fact, it is estimated that the Samhan people consume more than their counterparts in China and Japan. The peninsula is also known for its silk and porcelain production throughout Northeast Asia and it is something valued by many merchants. Outside of agriculture, commerce is also an important source of income for the country as Joseon continued Goryeo's healthy trade relations with the world, even going as far as smuggling to countries such as the Southern Song which had turned isolationist and eschewed trade with nations whom do not recognize Song's tianxia worldview. Mining also plays a role in Korean economy due to the abundance of natural resources in northern Korea and Manchuria ripe for exploitation by both state run and private companies. The mun is the currency of Korea backed by silver although rice grains are also used as income among the Koreans.
Major Production: Brocades, jewelries, ginseng, silk, and porcelain.

Army Description :
The aftermath of the Mongol invasion of Goryeo and the seven year Japanese Invasion of Joseon that ended in 1599, saw Joseon placing more emphasis on the military than ever before. The Joseon military also enjoys the backing of powerful artillery and rocketry made to decimate enemy lines. The Imperial Army stands at around 169,000 professional personnel stationed across Joseon with more being abled to called up during wartime. The Imperial Army is highly experienced from years of warfare. Centuries of fighting the Jurchens allowed the Koreans to adopt effective counters to cavalry with war wagons and their cavalry drawn from both Korean and Manchu stock. Development of gunpowder weapons from handcannons, hwachas, cannons, muskets, etc. ensured Korean dominance in range warfare, even establishing their own method of pike and shot.
Army Weakness : The reserved provincial armies, despite numbering much higher than the Imperial Army due to universal male conscription, is not as disciplined compared to the active force and have little experience in combat in comparison to policing and crowd control and may even rout in battle. In fact, much of Korea's early defeat against were because the Japanese were attacking local garrisons of conscripts from cities. Local and provincial magistrates also have control over provincial reserve forces and while magistrates capable of commanding armies is not unheard of, most magistrates were graduates of civil service exams instead of seasoned military officers or those who scored highly on the military officers exam.
Naval Description : Like the army, the Joseon Navy is a highly developed and experienced force on the sea. The Joseon spent decades dealing with Japanese wokou pirates and the Japanese fleets during the Imjin War, utilizing range warfare by peppering enemy fleets with cannon fires and resorting to antipersonnel range weapons such as arrows and firearms if enemy ships are exposed and in closer range. The Navy of Joseon is the pride of the nation: large, modern, and well equipped. The Imperial Navy, rather than the Army, is the force that projects Joseon's prowess in the international stage. The Imperial Navy stands at a size of 51,000 men, including 23,000 marines. Improving on the Navy has been one of the major priorities of the Joseon Empire ever since the Imjin War, believing that a strong navy is absolute necessity in the nation's defense. Much of Joseon's fleets are made up of panokseons and turtle ships although smaller support vessels are also utilized.
Naval Weakness : The Imperial Navy has focused much of its deployment patrolling Korean waters with smaller efforts in traversing across both the Indian and Pacific ocean. With the difficulty of traversing the Pacific, the Joseon Imperial Navy is split into five fleets and usually could never realize their full prowess in a multi-front war, creating a fear of a divide and conquer situation for the Navy against numerically superior fleets.
Further Military Description : Militias known as the Righteous Army have appeared several times throughout the history of Korea when the national armies were in need of assistance against foreign invaders ever since the Khitan invasion of Goryeo and lately the Japanese invasion of Joseon in 1592. Peasants, scholars, former government officials, religious monks, merchants, anyone regardless of background made up such militias. While most of these righteous armies are equipped with hunting equipment and farming tools rather than state-of-the-art weapons employed by the Imperial Army, the irregular militias make up for their equipment shortcomings with patriotic fervor and knowledge of home terrain.

National Goals : Ensuring an uninterrupted balance of power in East Asia, completion of Korea's reconstruction since the Imjin War, consolidation of Korea's hold to Manchuria, exploration and colonization of the Indian and Pacific Ocean
National Issues : While most Jurchens have pledged loyalty to Korea and many had assimilated into Korean society, there are still some who cling to their identity and see the Koreans as foreign overlords. Tensions still exist between Korean settlers and the Jurchen natives over land and hunting rights with some disputes ending in violence.
National Figures of Interest : Emperor of Joseon Gwanghae; Yi Sun-sin, Yi Yi-cheom
National Ambition/Aspirations :

History : The early 10th century was a period of unrest in the Korean peninsula. Silla, the kingdom that unified most of the Korean peninsula, was heavily weakened and lost control over local lords during the end of the 9th century and rebellions broke out with the peninsula experiencing civil war between Hugoguryeo/Taebong, Silla, an Hubaekje. Goryeo was formed when Taebong general Wang Geun lead a coup de'tat against King Gung Ye of Taebong and formed the nation of Goryeo (once again claiming to be the successor to the old Goguryo that ruled over much of Manchuria and Korea). The nation of Goryeo eventually unified much of the Korean peninsula in 936 AD and put an end to the Later Three Kingdoms.

One year after unification, Goryeo's northern neighbor, Balhae, fell into the Khitans and the last crown prince of Balhae (along with a few thousand refugees) fled to Goryeo who was welcomed by the Goryeo ruling family. Goryeo lived in relative peace with the Goryeo government adopting reforms and centralization. That all changed in 993 AD when the Khitan Liao Dynasty invaded Goryeo. The war ended in a stalement and Goryeo reluctantly agreed to become a tributary state of the Liao Dynasty. However, the Goryeo court secretly resisted the Khitans and worked with the Songs in an attempt to limit the Khitans in a series of wars between Goryeo and the Khitans in 1009, 1015, 1016, 1017, and 1018 when the Khitans signed a peace treaty with Goryeo after losing much of its invasion force in the Battle of Kwiju

In lieu of the conflicts between Liao and Goryeo, the Jurchens took advantage of the weakened Khitans and took over much of its territories in Manchuria, declaring the Jin Dynasty in Manchuria. Initially, Goryeo made little efforts to limit the Jurchens until border conflicts risen between Goryeo and the Jurchens. In response, the Goryeo military launched a coup de'tat against the scholar-class dominated Goryeo court and declared a military regime to fight the Jurchens.

The Mongols invasion of China in 1206 had initial effect on Goryeo when fleeing soldiers of the Jin Dynasty invaded Goryeo multiple times in 1216 during the reign of Emperor Gojong. Goryeo initially seeked an alliance with the Mongols to put an end to Jin stragglers once and for all. Relations broke down between the Mongols and Goryeo when the Mongols demand tribute and the death of the Mongol envoy was found in Goryeo territory (the Mongols charged that it was a government sanctioned murder while the Goryeo court denied any responsibility, blaming deserted Jin soldiers still at large after the Mongol invasion of Jin. The Mongols invaded Goryeo in 1231 and the two countries fought for over forty years. Despite the best efforts of various military dictators from the Ubong Choe Clan and their successors and Emperor Gojong, Goryeo eventually capitulated as a vassal kingdom and an ally of the Mongols in 1270. Although Yuan darughachis in Goryeo were offered provisions and sometimes get involved in the affairs of the Goryeo court, Goryeo was able to keep its autonomy. Mongol and Goryeo rulers, however, were tied by marriages as some Mongol prince and aristocrats married Goryeo princesses and vice versa and Goryeo kings were no longer assigned temple names after their passing.

In response to the fall of the Yuans in 1318, Goryeo fortified its borders in fear of chaos stemming from the west. King Gongmin in 1351 launched a campaign of Northern expansion and reclaimed Dongnyeon and Ssangseong from the weakened Mongol holdouts. Poverty, corruption charges, and raids from Wokou pirates plagued Goryeo since the fall of the Yuan Dynasty and Goryeo eventually fell into a coup by the Jeongju Yi Clan, deposing King Gonyang as the last King of Goryeo and executed Goryeo loyalist officials and scholars such as Yi Saek and Jeong Mong-ju. With little opposition, Goryeo general Yi Seong-gye declared an end to Goryeo and the formation of the Joseon Empire as a powerful country not bounded to some imperial dynasty in the west, crowned as both Emperor Taejo of Joseon with the era name of Gwanguk.

The reign of Emperor Taejo saw conflict between his sons over succession rights and after an attempt by military officials and his fifth-born son Yi Bang-won in a military coup, declared his second born son Yi Bang-gwa (temple name Jeongjong) as his successor and abdicated the throne in 1398. Jeongjong was an abled ruler but abdicated after two years of seeing bloodshed between his brothers Crown Prince Yi Bang-won and Yi Bang-gan. Yi Bang-won (Taejong) became emperor right after, setting forth changes made to ensure that Joseon would be an absolute monarchy instead of a constitutional monarchy planned by his predecessors. Taejong's rise to power was a bloody affair but he proved to be a just and abled ruler, building up national defense and encouraging reforms that improved on the daily lives of the people and limited privileges of the aristocracy. Taejong was succeeded by his thirdborn son Yi Do (immortalized as Sejong the Great) as the fourth Emperor of Joseon. Sejong's reign was marked by various reforms pushed by Sejong that benefited Joseon. Sejong opened government positions to people of various social classes; encouraged innovation in the fields of science, technology, military, and agriculture; and pushed for the use of the hangul writing system to improve literacy. Sejong was also an interventionist, having sent troops to Tsushima Island to quell the pirate activities and ultimately ended with the island sending tributes to the Korean peninsula. In response to the emboldened border attacks by the Jurchens, Sejong initiated campaigns to pacify the north. Originally, the intent was to build castles across the Amnok River and to encourage settlement into the north.

After Sejong's death in 1450, he was succeeded by his son, Yi Hyang (Munjong) who died just 2 years after his coronation (most of his achievements came when he was a crown prince). Munjong's successor, Yi Hong-wi (Danjong) ruled for three years before he was overthrown by his uncle who became Sejo of Joseon in 1455. Despite being overthrown and was demoted back to a prince, Hong-wi still received his title and was posthumously given the temple name Danjong. Despite Sejo overseeing numerous opposition killed for power grab, including his nephew Danjong; he was a strong and able ruler, continuing Sejong's expansionist policy, capturing the Liaodong Peninsula in 1463, and encouraging publication of history, economics, agricultural, and religious books. When Sejo passed away in 1468, his son succeeded him as Yejong of Joseon but died a year later. He was succeeded by his nephew, Yi Hyeol, who became Seongjong of Joseon. Seongjong's reign was marked by growth and prosperity in Joseon and the continuation of anti-Jurchen campaigns at the north. In 1486, he oversaw the invasion and annexation of the Amur River by the Joseon military. The capture of the Amur River was considered a watershed in Joseon history as it was hailed by court officials as the second restoration of Goguryeo, an earlier dynasty of Joseon. Expansion into Manchuria would still continue over time but would largely be low intensity skirmishes between Korean and wild Jurchens who had refused to kneel to the Samjoko Throne. Seonjong passed away at 1494 and was succeeded by his eldest son, Prince Yeongsan. Although Yeongsan showed promise as an able ruler, he grew insane and became a tyrant, soon overthrown and replaced by his half-brother, Yi Yeok, who became Emperor with the temple name of Jungjong. Jungjong's reign was marked by both internal purges and support for reforms and was ultimately a mixed bag ruler. Jungjong was succeeded by his son Yi Ho who became Injong. Injong was an ambitious emperor who attempted to continue Jungjong's failed reforms but was poisoned by his stepmother and was succeeded by his half-brother Yi Hwan who became Emperor Myeongjong in 1545.

Myeongjong's reign was marked by a power struggle between his mother Queen Munjeong and his uncle Yun Won-hyeong along with rebellions and raids from Japanese pirates. Myeongjong died in 1567 without a male heir and was succeeded by his half-nephew Yi Yeon as Seonjo of Joseon. Seonjo focused on improving the lives of the common people and introduced various political and economic reforms and his early reign was marked by growth and prosperity. Although border conflicts had continued to exist between Joseon and wild Jurchen raiders, the Imperial Court believed that the current peace and prosperity experienced would continue and some officials talked of easing military burden on the populace. That changed when Joseon was invaded in 1592 by Japanese forces. Although Joseon forces fought valiantly with their cannons, hand cannons, and archery; they were outgunned by muskets operated by the Japanese and most of Joseon's best equipped, trained, and experienced units were at Manchuria. The Imperial Court fled to Pyongyang when Japanese troops were close to Hanseong. That is not to say that there was no hope for Joseon; naval successes at the seas hampered Japanese supply lines and guerilla warfare conducted by informal militias and reorganized soldiers provided morale boosts for the Joseon military. During the war, Joseon engineers, at the support of Emperor Seonjo, managed to develop and incorporate muskets into its ranks. The Korean units stationed at Manchuria, alongside Jurchen vassals, were sent southwards to reinforce the Samjoko Throne and joined up with the rest of the military. Soon the Joseon Army, with the support of the informal Righteous Army, retook captured provinces and inflict heavy damage on the tired Japanese forces. In 1598, after Hideyoshi's death, Japan withdrew from the peninsula. Although Joseon was spared from initial Japanese imperial ambitions, the country itself was ravaged by seven long years of warfare. Seonjo, devastated by the toll of the war, withdrew from politics and left behind Crown Prince Yi Hon (Prince Gwanghae) to rule in his stead.

Prince Gwanghae focused on rebuilding the devastated nation by keeping much of the reforms left by former Chief State Councilor Yu Seung-ryong to spur market and agricultural growth. He established a policy of Geunmun with the intent of heavy reforms to the military to avoid the devastating repeat of the Six Years War. He also reformed the country's defenses with setting up dedicated gunpowder offices to improve on designs based on gunpowder weapons such as cannons, hwachas, and muskets. Gwanghae was ambitious with his military reforms. The Joseon Navy was given more attention as Gwanghae saw potential in Joseon as a naval power and funded official travels to the Indian Ocean, laying the foundation for future Korean expansion. However, he was a realist and knew that Joseon would not survive on its own if isolated and pushed for greater Korean participation in the changing world.

RP Sample:
- Alternate World War 2 (War of Blood and Steel)
- Fantasy Sword Throwing (A Dance of Chaos)
- Alternate history gone mad in 1812 (Alternate Divergence 1812)
- It's like Alternate Divergence but made by the Cobalt Network and has set nations (Tales of Two Horizons II)
- War, what is it good for? (Back to 1935)
- Rednecks and post-apocalyptic America (Fallout: Damn Dirty South)
- NS Red Dawn (Crane Ascendent)
- Generic late 19th century Alt-history RP (Voice of a New Age)
- War, war never changes (Fallout: Republic of Dusts)
- Alternate history taken all the way (1900: Alternate Divergence)
- Anime Vietnam Flashbacks (Operation Gatelord)
- When the Spanish Flu wiped off 50% of the world population (All Quiet on the Front)

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:21 am

Khasinkonia wrote:Before I continue any further, I would like to ask if it would be possible for paganism to continue to be the major faith of Gaul? I had intended for religion to have been the biggest motivator behind the Gaulish Revolt, which would take place around 380, when Christianity was made the state religion of Rome.


It's a good question in general, because it could maybe be feasible if pretty problematic in general, but the issue is that it is unlikely to work in this iteration. Like I said, religious war is to be main focus of Europe, and a pagan Gallic state is likely to attract the hostility of both Protestants and Catholics. Had this been another iteration set in another era it might not have mattered that much, but here it does.

It could however have pagan minorities in that style that Italy has, both as remains of Antiquity (some pagan communities survived until the Middle Ages IRL, especially in isolated places) and as a Renaissance-inspired revival.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:23 am

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Postby Khasinkonia » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:31 am

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Khasinkonia wrote:Before I continue any further, I would like to ask if it would be possible for paganism to continue to be the major faith of Gaul? I had intended for religion to have been the biggest motivator behind the Gaulish Revolt, which would take place around 380, when Christianity was made the state religion of Rome.


It's a good question in general, because it could maybe be feasible if pretty problematic in general, but the issue is that it is unlikely to work in this iteration. Like I said, religious war is to be main focus of Europe, and a pagan Gallic state is likely to attract the hostility of both Protestants and Catholics. Had this been another iteration set in another era it might not have mattered that much, but here it does.

It could however have pagan minorities in that style that Italy has, both as remains of Antiquity (some pagan communities survived until the Middle Ages IRL, especially in isolated places) and as a Renaissance-inspired revival.

Ah, well I think I know what to do then. I’ll move my POD to Vercingetorix’s Gaulish revolt then, and base my Christian trajectory more so on the spread of Christianity in Ireland. If it’s alright with you, I’d prefer to avoid Latin Chalcedonian Christianity being the law of the land in favour of a fairly syncretised Christian faith, with a small pagan minority and maybe some nobles interested in reviving the faith. Rather than religion, though, I plan on making the unifying ideals of the nation to be a siege mentality directed primarily towards Italy and the Holy Roman Empire.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:34 am

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It's a good question in general, because it could maybe be feasible if pretty problematic in general, but the issue is that it is unlikely to work in this iteration. Like I said, religious war is to be main focus of Europe, and a pagan Gallic state is likely to attract the hostility of both Protestants and Catholics. Had this been another iteration set in another era it might not have mattered that much, but here it does.

It could however have pagan minorities in that style that Italy has, both as remains of Antiquity (some pagan communities survived until the Middle Ages IRL, especially in isolated places) and as a Renaissance-inspired revival.

Ah, well I think I know what to do then. I’ll move my POD to Vercingetorix’s Gaulish revolt then, and base my Christian trajectory more so on the spread of Christianity in Ireland. If it’s alright with you, I’d prefer to avoid Latin Chalcedonian Christianity being the law of the land in favour of a fairly syncretised Christian faith, with a small pagan minority and maybe some nobles interested in reviving the faith. Rather than religion, though, I plan on making the unifying ideals of the nation to be a siege mentality directed primarily towards Italy and the Holy Roman Empire.

Sure, that could be pretty interesting.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:37 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Khasinkonia wrote:Ah, well I think I know what to do then. I’ll move my POD to Vercingetorix’s Gaulish revolt then, and base my Christian trajectory more so on the spread of Christianity in Ireland. If it’s alright with you, I’d prefer to avoid Latin Chalcedonian Christianity being the law of the land in favour of a fairly syncretised Christian faith, with a small pagan minority and maybe some nobles interested in reviving the faith. Rather than religion, though, I plan on making the unifying ideals of the nation to be a siege mentality directed primarily towards Italy and the Holy Roman Empire.

Sure, that could be pretty interesting.

Glad we could sort something out! Are there any other things that I should consider given that I’m taking the spot of France, which I gather is important for the balance of power at the start?

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:41 am

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Tracian Empire wrote:Sure, that could be pretty interesting.

Glad we could sort something out! Are there any other things that I should consider given that I’m taking the spot of France, which I gather is important for the balance of power at the start?


Well, I was just now thinking about it, since no France means no Franks, which in turn means no normal Frankish Empire and that of course further leads into difficulties for the HRE.

But I do think that we can move around that, a Frankish state could simply develop in Germany and there are still ways for them to get an imperial title, the only thing you and any future players in the HRE should discuss with the an open mind, since there would have likely been some conflicts between the Germans and Gaul in history.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:48 am

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Khasinkonia wrote:Glad we could sort something out! Are there any other things that I should consider given that I’m taking the spot of France, which I gather is important for the balance of power at the start?


Well, I was just now thinking about it, since no France means no Franks, which in turn means no normal Frankish Empire and that of course further leads into difficulties for the HRE.

But I do think that we can move around that, a Frankish state could simply develop in Germany and there are still ways for them to get an imperial title, the only thing you and any future players in the HRE should discuss with the an open mind, since there would have likely been some conflicts between the Germans and Gaul in history.

If no HRE, then would Paganism and a differently border still potentially still be feasible? A united Italy is pretty strong after all, so that would be a counterbalance.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:57 am

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Tracian Empire wrote:
Well, I was just now thinking about it, since no France means no Franks, which in turn means no normal Frankish Empire and that of course further leads into difficulties for the HRE.

But I do think that we can move around that, a Frankish state could simply develop in Germany and there are still ways for them to get an imperial title, the only thing you and any future players in the HRE should discuss with the an open mind, since there would have likely been some conflicts between the Germans and Gaul in history.

If no HRE, then would Paganism and a differently border still potentially still be feasible? A united Italy is pretty strong after all, so that would be a counterbalance.

Well, my point is that we need the HRE. Without the HRE's framework, it would be kinda difficult to have any big religious war between Catholics and Protestants. The presence of a pagan majority nation would simply serve to coalize other Christian nations against you, and it's also highly unlike that either Catholics or Protestants would dare to ally themselves with a pagan nation.

My point is more along the lines of that the HRE is still possible, albeit it would have been formed under different circumstances, and that for your history, you should keep in mind that there would have been plenty of wars between the Gauls and the Germans.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:00 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Khasinkonia wrote:If no HRE, then would Paganism and a differently border still potentially still be feasible? A united Italy is pretty strong after all, so that would be a counterbalance.

Well, my point is that we need the HRE. Without the HRE's framework, it would be kinda difficult to have any big religious war between Catholics and Protestants. The presence of a pagan majority nation would simply serve to coalize other Christian nations against you, and it's also highly unlike that either Catholics or Protestants would dare to ally themselves with a pagan nation.

My point is more along the lines of that the HRE is still possible, albeit it would have been formed under different circumstances, and that for your history, you should keep in mind that there would have been plenty of wars between the Gauls and the Germans.

I see what you’re saying. If it would make things go more smoothly, I could include the Carolingian Empire in my history and provide that as a contributing factor to the consistent Gaulish siege mentality. And I’ll stick with syncretised heresy then.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:07 am

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As always, we can not divide important nations, so in order to be accepted you need to claim all of England and justify why Northumbria would come on top and why the entire country would become known as Northumbria.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:24 am

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Tracian Empire wrote:Well, my point is that we need the HRE. Without the HRE's framework, it would be kinda difficult to have any big religious war between Catholics and Protestants. The presence of a pagan majority nation would simply serve to coalize other Christian nations against you, and it's also highly unlike that either Catholics or Protestants would dare to ally themselves with a pagan nation.

My point is more along the lines of that the HRE is still possible, albeit it would have been formed under different circumstances, and that for your history, you should keep in mind that there would have been plenty of wars between the Gauls and the Germans.

I see what you’re saying. If it would make things go more smoothly, I could include the Carolingian Empire in my history and provide that as a contributing factor to the consistent Gaulish siege mentality. And I’ll stick with syncretised heresy then.

If you feel like it could work with your concept, sure, that could make easier. Even just a partial Frankish realm having existed (territory wise) could make things smoother.
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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:28 am

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As always, we can not divide important nations, so in order to be accepted you need to claim all of England and justify why Northumbria would come on top and why the entire country would become known as Northumbria.

Spain was important.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:31 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Khasinkonia wrote:I see what you’re saying. If it would make things go more smoothly, I could include the Carolingian Empire in my history and provide that as a contributing factor to the consistent Gaulish siege mentality. And I’ll stick with syncretised heresy then.

If you feel like it could work with your concept, sure, that could make easier. Even just a partial Frankish realm having existed (territory wise) could make things smoother.

I think I can do that. I’ll leave it relatively open-ended, but I’m thinking of treating Charlemagne’s Empire as being something like the early Qing to China, or perhaps the Golden Horde to Russian principalities. Not a perfect analogy, but I’m thinking the Carolingian rule would also be the catalyst for reinvigorating nobility interests in preserving Celtic traditions. Still in the early stages, but I figure since I’m in such an important region I ought to just keep all cards on the table. Expect a pretty staunch hatred for the papacy, even if trends from the Catholic world like cathedrals and music sneak their way in.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:32 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:As always, we can not divide important nations, so in order to be accepted you need to claim all of England and justify why Northumbria would come on top and why the entire country would become known as Northumbria.

Spain was important.

If you do not want to do what I say, you are free to leave, as I am afraid that the reservation will not be accepted.

Please do not make me end up putting up a rule that bans Northumbria applications like other roleplays do.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:34 am

Petition to make it a part of historical canon that Northumbria as a region doesn’t technically exist and is something else entirely, up to whoever ends up playing in the British isles. /s

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:37 am

Khasinkonia wrote:Petition to make it a part of historical canon that Northumbria as a region doesn’t technically exist and is something else entirely, up to whoever ends up playing in the British isles. /s

I can just veto the Humber river/estuary out of existence so that Northumbria as a name can not feasibly exist.
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