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[PASSED] Condemn Lily

Postby Miravana » Sat May 28, 2022 10:01 pm

Heya everyone, we thought it was time this was revisited by someone in earnest. We were considering adding a clause about lily tech but were unsure if that would be fit for a regional C/C compared to an individual one. Any feedback on that or the draft, in general, is greatly appreciated!

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The Security Council,

Presenting Lily, a powerhouse military organization where some of the world’s most villainous nations plot their devious plans to conquer the world with a harrowing focus on tag raiding, a practice that scars many otherwise peaceful and untouched regions with the military battles of outside forces,

Asserting that Lily’s tendencies for evil led the organization to reinvent the modern military doctrine. As opposed to most military organizations who typically focus on slow and meticulous invasions, Lily places speed and quantity above all other metrics, defacing unfathomable numbers of regions within a single day or night (at a pace so quick that only the most elite warriors can hope to keep up) with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,

Owing Lily’s frightening ability to far outshine the target region count and speed of other raider organizations to its development of technology, which assists in their malevolence and maximizes the net loss of regional sovereignty on a global scale; some such technologies include:
  • A weapon known simply as “Koru”, which allows Lily raiders to regroup, redeploy, and repeat quicker than any other army it faces;
  • The Artificial Intelligence “Buzzy Bee”, which navigates their armies through the multiverse at unmatched speed, providing direction steadier than that of any mortal mind;
  • The program “Vogel”, which allows for easy organization of hundreds or even thousands of nations and assists in the rapid vandalism of victim regions;
Noting that the clear technological superiority of Lily created a technology arms race in military warfare, to where the numbers and military records in the past 5 years greatly exceed those prior to the formation of Lily in 2017,

Terrified by the records broken by this new approach to raiding, with Lily causing an unprecedented number of casualties throughout its ferocious campaign against order. This record-breaking destruction is especially apparent in the campaign Operation Supernova, which resulted in 15 assailants engulfing 407 regions over the course of a single night and bested the previous record by 119 - setting a new standard for raiders to strive for and surpass,

Fortifying this fear with the even more devastating campaign of Operation Stargazer, which saw a coterie of Lily’s raiders invade a record-breaking 270 regions with just a single squadron, altogether resulting in the combined upheaval of 576 regions in a single encounter - a currently unmatched endeavor,

Lamenting Operation Obama, in which Lily brought the destruction of 3,500+ embassies to The Embassy, one of the most eminent embassy collector regions. This was possible due to the deception of Frenchy II, Supreme Commander and Girlboss of Lily, who had created a fake embassy collector region called “Traveling Wilburys”, to gain the trust and password of The Embassy, resulting in the invasion.

Imparting the ending of Mikeswill’s over-15-year delegacy streak, the longest in history, in NationStates as further evidence of Lily’s propensity for breaking records and dismantling the status quo,

Positing that Lily’s destructive, high-octane approach to raiding is a core staple of Lily’s identity and has carried onto Lily members outside the organization itself, most apparent with:
  • Supreme Commander Sweeze, whose expertise in advanced technologies forged “Swarm”, a weapon mass-produced and distributed freely across the multiverse, allowing those with malicious intent to subjugate and forcibly relocate vast amounts of soldiers for use in conflicts quickly and efficiently; and
  • Former Supreme Commander Feu De Glace, who went on to be one of the creators and main performers of the devious technique “Update Bending”, in which they blitzed in with hundreds of colonies’ worth of soldiers at once in order to disrupt the predictive abilities of their enemies, a practice largely benefitted by their great speed and ability which was mastered in their time in Lily;
Mourning the 10,000+ regions that have fallen victim to Lily’s transgressions, their faces painted in garish rainbow to provide Lily and its crimes with serious exposure,

Hereby condemns Lily.

Co-Author: Minskiev


The Security Council,

Presenting Lily, a powerhouse military organization where some of the world’s most villainous, evil-doing nations plot their devious plans to conquer the world, that especially favors tag raiding, a practice that scars many otherwise peaceful and untouched regions with the military battles of outside forces,

Asserting that Lily’s tendencies for evil led the organization to reinvent the modern military doctrine. As opposed to slow and meticulous invasions, Lily places speed and quantity above all other metrics, defacing unfathomable numbers of regions within a single day or night at a pace so quick, only the most elite warriors can hope to match, with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,

Believing that Lily’s frightening ability to far outshine the target region count and speed of other raider organizations is owed to its development of technology, which assists in their malevolence and maximizes the net loss of regional sovereignty on a global scale; some such technologies include:
  • A weapon known simply as “Koru”, which allows Lily raiders to regroup, redeploy, and repeat quicker than any other army it faces;
  • The Artificial Intelligence “Buzzy Bee”, which navigates their armies through the multiverse at unmatched speed, providing direction steadier than that of any mortal mind;
  • The program “Vogel”, allowing for the logistics, coordination, and organization of hundreds, even thousands of nations, along with assisting in the rapid vandalism of victim regions;
Knowing that the clear technological superiority of Lily created a technology arms race in military warfare, to where the numbers and military records in the past 5 years greatly exceed those prior to the formation of Lily in 2017,

Terrified by the records broken by this new approach to raiding; Lily and its campaigns would have unprecedented numbers of casualties in Lily’s onslaught against order. This is especially apparent in the campaign Operation Supernova, which resulted in 15 assailants engulfing 407 regions over the course of a single night, besting the previous record by 119 and setting a new standard for raiders to strive for and surpass,

Fortifying this fear with the even more devastating campaign of Operation Stargazer, which saw a coterie of Lily’s raiders invade a record-breaking 270 regions with just a single squadron, altogether resulting in the combined upheaval of 576 regions in a single encounter, a currently unmatched endeavor,

Lamenting Operation Obama, in which Lily brought the destruction of 3,500+ embassies to The Embassy, one of the greatest, eminent embassy collector regions. This was possible due to the deception of Frenchy II, Supreme Commander and Girlboss of Lily, who had created a fake embassy collector region, “Traveling Wilburys”, to gain the trust and password of The Embassy, resulting in the invasion.

Imparting the ending of Mikeswill’s over-15-year delegacy streak, the longest in history, in NationStates as further evidence of Lily’s propensity for breaking records and dismantling the status quo,

Positing that Lily’s destructive, high-octane approach to raiding is a core staple of Lily’s identity and has carried onto Lily members outside the organization itself, most apparent with:
  • Supreme Commander Sweeze, whose expertise in advanced technologies forged “Swarm”, a weapon mass produced and distributed freely across the multiverse, allowing those with malicious intent to subjugate and forcibly relocate vast amounts of soldiers for use in conflicts quickly and efficiently; and
  • Former Supreme Commander Feu De Glace, who went on to be one of the creators and main performers of the devious technique “Update Bending”, in which they blitz in with hundreds of colonies’ worth of soldiers at once in order to disrupt the predictive abilities of their enemies, a practice largely benefitted by their great speed and ability which was mastered in their time in Lily;
Mourning the 10,000+ regions that have fallen victim to Lily’s transgressions, their faces painted in garish rainbow to provide Lily and its crimes with serious exposure,

Hereby condemns Lily.

Co-Author: Minskiev


The Security Council,

Presenting Lily, a powerhouse military organization where some of the world’s most villainous, evil-doing nations plot their devious plans to conquer the world,

Understanding that Lily especially favors tag raiding, a practice that scars many otherwise peaceful and untouched regions with the military battles of outside forces,

Horrified by Lily’s tendencies for evil, hitting unfathomable numbers of regions within a single update with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,

Shocked by the unprecedented number of casualties of raiding Lily has brought upon the world in its onslaught against order, most apparent in the following campaigns:
  • Operation Supernova, a maneuver that struck 407 regions in a single night, breaking the previous record by 119 and setting a new standard for raiders to strive for and break;
  • Operation Stargazer, which saw a coterie of Lily’s raiders invade a record-breaking 270 regions by a single squadron, altogether resulting in the simultaneous upheaval of 576 regions, a currently unmatched endeavor;
  • Operation Thank You, ending the over-15-year delegate streak of Mikeswill, the longest streak in history, for sport;
  • Operation Obama, bringing the destruction of over 2,000 embassies to The Embassy and tagging 1,409 regions throughout the campaign.
Mourning the 10,000+ regions that have fallen victim to Lily’s transgressions, their faces painted in garish rainbow to provide Lily and its crimes with serious exposure,

Disgusted, yet wholly unsurprised, by the support Lily has provided to other notorious raider organizations, such as Lone Wolves United and The Black Hawks, in numerous high-profile invasions and coordinated subjugations of hundreds of nations, all to maximize the net loss of regional sovereignty internationally,

Denouncing the wanton, unprovoked aggression displayed by Lily to the community at large, necessitating a decry of Lily’s offenses,

Hereby condemns Lily.

Co-Author Minskiev
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Postby Minskiev » Sat May 28, 2022 10:05 pm

Glad to work on this :) it's a bit short but this is just Draft 1. Potential future additions include mentioning technology, effects on the state of R/D, the share of regions tagged at once, etc.
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Postby Bormiar » Sat May 28, 2022 10:26 pm

Presenting Lily, a powerhouse military organization where some of the world’s most villainous, evil-doing nations plot their devious plans to conquer the world,

Understanding that Lily especially favors tag raiding, a practice that scars many otherwise peaceful and untouched regions with the military battles of outside forces,


Combine these into one clause. The first is a vague descriptor applicable to all successful raider regions.

The second actually describes Lily.

Horrified by Lily’s tendencies for evil, hitting unfathomable numbers of regions within a single update with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,


Ok this is getting to be an excessively long introduction. You should've gotten to concrete info by now.

Shocked by the unprecedented number of casualties of raiding Lily has brought upon the world in its onslaught against order, most apparent in the following campaigns:
  • Operation Supernova, a maneuver that struck 407 regions in a single night, breaking the previous record by 119 and setting a new standard for raiders to strive for and break;
  • Operation Stargazer, which saw a coterie of Lily’s raiders invade a record-breaking 270 regions by a single squadron, altogether resulting in the simultaneous upheaval of 576 regions, a currently unmatched endeavor;
  • Operation Thank You, ending the over-15-year delegate streak of Mikeswill, the longest streak in history, for sport;
  • Operation Obama, bringing the destruction of over 2,000 embassies to The Embassy and tagging 1,409 regions throughout the campaign.


Thank You does not fit the rest of the regions in there.

Disgusted, yet wholly unsurprised, by the support Lily has provided to other notorious raider organizations, such as Lone Wolves United and The Black Hawks, in numerous high-profile invasions and coordinated subjugations of hundreds of nations, all to maximize the net loss of regional sovereignty internationally,


How much support do they provide? 4 updates? 20 pilers? Give me a sense of scale.

Denouncing the wanton, unprovoked aggression displayed by Lily to the community at large, necessitating a decry of Lily’s offenses,


Jeez, well, this could really apply to two-thirds of all condemnees, couldn't it?




The biggest issue is that you don't seem to have any direction here. There are those in the SC and GP — who I personally sympathize with — that don't believe that tag-raiding is condemnable at all, because it doesn't effect any "real" regions, only those propped up by defender sleepers. They will tear this draft to shreds.

Rather, I think you need to treat this like an essay. It has a specific thesis, some evidence to back it up, a conclusion that restates the thesis, and voila, you're done. In this case, I think your thesis is that Lily took gameplay in a new direction by prioritizing speed and quantity, rather than high profile, large refoundings. You need to state something of that sort explicitly. Not vaguely muse about how villainous they are and how much of bane they are on NationStates— that's boring, general, and unconvincing. Condemnees are regions that stand out; show that Lily is different.

As for evidence, this sucks, but you need more. This draft looks way to sparse to be an SC resolution. Honestly, I think stuff like Mikeswill's delegacy matters that much to this draft. You need stuff that will reinforce the idea that Lily is the fastest, record-breakingest, taggingest region in the West. One thought is that they might have written scripts or pioneered methods that helped them go faster. If they didn't, if they only clicked fast, maybe they're not condemnable.

And finally, you need to convince players that despite the obvious lack of effect of Lily's tag raiding, there's still meaning to their presence. Perhaps they embodied a shift in raiding towards an arm race in scripting and speedy tag raids? Perhaps they helped initiate that change?* Or maybe they just play this game by their own rules, not bound by what constitutes "normal" gameplay. That's badgeable too.

Good luck.

* Assuming that shift happened, and I'm told it did.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat May 28, 2022 10:39 pm

As far as I’m concerned, this draft is hardly better than the one defeated at vote last year.

The SC’s current obsession with really long introductory clauses (Commend Cretox, Haku, this) is also getting a bit odd. I agree with pretty much all of Bormiar’s suggestions, especially on emphasising their impact.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat May 28, 2022 10:58 pm

I will disagree with Melons about the quality of this draft; it is much better written than pretty much every other attempt to condemn Lily that I’ve seen.

That said it’s a bit short and for my taste lacks enough condemnable material. I understand that Lily are taggers supreme, but is it enough for a badge?

Horrified by Lily’s tendencies for evil, hitting unfathomable numbers of regions within a single update with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,

By the way is the use of the word “update” in this context legal?
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Postby Bormiar » Sat May 28, 2022 11:01 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:As far as I’m concerned, this draft is hardly better than the one defeated at vote last year.

The SC’s current obsession with really long introductory clauses (Commend Cretox, Haku, this) is also getting a bit odd. I agree with pretty much all of Bormiar’s suggestions, especially on emphasising their impact.

It's still better than no introductory clause at all, imo.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I will disagree with Melons about the quality of this draft; it is much better written than pretty much every other attempt to condemn Lily that I’ve seen.

That said it’s a bit short and for my taste lacks enough condemnable material. I understand that Lily are taggers supreme, but is it enough for a badge?

Horrified by Lily’s tendencies for evil, hitting unfathomable numbers of regions within a single update with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,

By the way is the use of the word “update” in this context legal?


He could probably change "update" to "night".

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OOC: Aw man, I had three quarters of a draft of this going already :( guess I’ll have to abandon it now
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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Sun May 29, 2022 3:58 am

Miravana wrote:Heya everyone, we thought it was time this was revisited by someone in earnest. We were considering adding a clause about lily tech but were unsure if that would be fit for a regional C/C compared to an individual one. Any feedback on that or the draft, in general, is greatly appreciated!


The Security Council,

Presenting Lily, a powerhouse military organization where some of the world’s most villainous, evil-doing nations plot their devious plans to conquer the world,

Understanding that Lily especially favors tag raiding, a practice that scars many otherwise peaceful and untouched regions with the military battles of outside forces,

Horrified by Lily’s tendencies for evil, hitting unfathomable numbers of regions within a single update with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,

Shocked by the unprecedented number of casualties of raiding Lily has brought upon the world in its onslaught against order, most apparent in the following campaigns:
  • Operation Supernova, a maneuver that struck 407 regions in a single night, breaking the previous record by 119 and setting a new standard for raiders to strive for and break;
  • Operation Stargazer, which saw a coterie of Lily’s raiders invade a record-breaking 270 regions by a single squadron, altogether resulting in the simultaneous upheaval of 576 regions, a currently unmatched endeavor;
  • Operation Thank You, ending the over-15-year delegate streak of Mikeswill, the longest streak in history, for sport;
  • Operation Obama, bringing the destruction of over 2,000 embassies to The Embassy and tagging 1,409 regions throughout the campaign.
Mourning the 10,000+ regions that have fallen victim to Lily’s transgressions, their faces painted in garish rainbow to provide Lily and its crimes with serious exposure,

Disgusted, yet wholly unsurprised, by the support Lily has provided to other notorious raider organizations, such as Lone Wolves United and The Black Hawks, in numerous high-profile invasions and coordinated subjugations of hundreds of nations, all to maximize the net loss of regional sovereignty internationally,

Denouncing the wanton, unprovoked aggression displayed by Lily to the community at large, necessitating a decry of Lily’s offenses,

Hereby condemns Lily.

Co-Author Minskiev

“Besides from the approximate number of regions affected, which would be a number significant for a condemnation, the rest of the proposal lacks concrete evidence. First, clause 5 requires evidence that Lily has been collaborating with these groups (such as telegrammed messages between the leaders) and needs to clarify how much help Lily has given. Second, the claim that Lily has tendencies for evil is as of now highly subjective and needs evidence. For example, you could interview a member nation of Lily’s armed forces and ask for his/her opinion on previously-raided regions. If he/she feels apathetic towards said region, there’s your evidence. Also, as another ambassador said, Operation Thank You is absolutely irrelevant, since sports-related events have no place in a condemnation. Those types of events are more suited for a commendation. Overall, this proposal needs more research and evidence, therefore the Clevesian people will denounce this draft for now.”
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Postby Harjanika » Sun May 29, 2022 4:05 am

Me: I like this
Me before I read this: Who on earth is Lily? I don't think IRL people can be condemned haha
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun May 29, 2022 4:36 am

I’ll take a more detailed look later, but for the moment I’m definitely opposed due to the inclusion of the Mikeswill del-tip. If anything, that’s commendable.
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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Sun May 29, 2022 4:41 am

Not a condemnable nominee.
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Postby Zukchiva » Sun May 29, 2022 5:49 am

Condemnable nominee. I usually wouldn't list tag raiding as enough to be the bulk of a condemn, but I think Lily is special due to its variety of high profile & record-breaking operations. I'm not sure if you can ever convince those individuals who resolutely do not see tag raiding as condemnable, but I think you should defo take up Bormiar's advice as that may convince people who are on the fence and will just improve the draft overall and will reflect better on Lily. Another thing you can do is take a more roleplay-ish kinda lean into it, maybe, seeing as I don't imagine you'll use up a lot of characters even if you incorporate Borm's suggestions.

Also, I disagree with Honeydew - I think long introductions are great because they add great narrative*, compared to the standard format where doing so is difficult due to trying to cram in as many achievements as possible in limited character counts.

Overall against due to co-author support in principle. Draft just needs to be beefed up.

EDIT: *Admittedly, the introduction shouldn't be so long when the actual content is so short, so another good reason to put in some more stuff
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Postby Minskiev » Sun May 29, 2022 6:56 am

Quebecshire wrote:I’ll take a more detailed look later, but for the moment I’m definitely opposed due to the inclusion of the Mikeswill del-tip. If anything, that’s commendable.

It should be noted that there was a clause I wrote that was essentially "Seeing through the thin veil of Lily's virtue signaling with its defender operations and its delegacy tip of Mikeswill, anti-SC demagogue that, frankly, had it coming,"
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Postby Hulldom » Sun May 29, 2022 7:43 am

My biggest thing here is I think it fails to capture Lily—not in the sense of the region or its actions—but the character of the organization and its people.

Certainly a very good start but I think there’s some work to be done. Agree with BBD and Zuk above.
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Postby Miravana » Sun May 29, 2022 7:51 am

Hulldom wrote:My biggest thing here is I think it fails to capture Lily—not in the sense of the region or its actions—but the character of the organization and its people.

Certainly a very good start but I think there’s some work to be done. Agree with BBD and Zuk above.


We incorporated some Lily lingo rather sneakily into the proposal, but I agree it does not quite encapsulate Lily yet. I’ll continue workshopping it and I’m confident the final draft will be much more Lily-esque
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Postby All Wild Things » Sun May 29, 2022 1:36 pm

Operation Obama, bringing the destruction of over 2,000 embassies to The Embassy and tagging 1,409 regions throughout the campaign.


Would note that Quebec wrote in NS Today that it was over 3,500 embassies getting closed.
https://nationstates.news/opinion-liber ... rest/3963/

Also, there was a period in May 2020 where Plum Island got over 1000 new embassies in 23 days (ie, these were the ones not detagged within the 3 days to open an embassy). Dunno if that's worth a mention.
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Postby Miravana » Sun May 29, 2022 1:39 pm

All Wild Things wrote:
Operation Obama, bringing the destruction of over 2,000 embassies to The Embassy and tagging 1,409 regions throughout the campaign.


Would note that Quebec wrote in NS Today that it was over 3,500 embassies getting closed.
https://nationstates.news/opinion-liber ... rest/3963/

Also, there was a period in May 2020 where Plum Island got over 1000 new embassies in 23 days (ie, these were the ones not detagged within the 3 days to open an embassy). Dunno if that's worth a mention.
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I was going off of the numbers on the lily thread, but if it was actually over 3,500 I can change that. Also yeah I was considering adding the 1,000 embassies, but unlike most of the other feats listed here, that one has been done before. Still might consider it if I feel we need more bulk.
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Postby Vav-18 » Sun May 29, 2022 1:42 pm

*Lurks with conquering intentions*

Definitely could use alot more material rather than repition of "evil this, evil that".

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Miravana wrote:
All Wild Things wrote:
Would note that Quebec wrote in NS Today that it was over 3,500 embassies getting closed.
https://nationstates.news/opinion-liber ... rest/3963/

Also, there was a period in May 2020 where Plum Island got over 1000 new embassies in 23 days (ie, these were the ones not detagged within the 3 days to open an embassy). Dunno if that's worth a mention.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispa ... #collector



I was going off of the numbers on the lily thread, but if it was actually over 3,500 I can change that. Also yeah I was considering adding the 1,000 embassies, but unlike most of the other feats listed here, that one has been done before. Still might consider it if I feel we need more bulk.

*Checks the Lily thread*
viewtopic.php?p=38361927#p38361927

I see where the confusion is. It was 3500 embassies. The first 2000ish closed at one update (linked YouTube video in Lily thread). The next 1370 were presumably meant to close on the next update, but something went wrong again, and admin had to clear out the region history to make it all work.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun May 29, 2022 10:26 pm

Lily is a really hard condemnation to get right, and I am afraid in its current iteration you won't get much support. It's not impossible to condemn them, but it's a very technical one to write about.
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Harjanika wrote:Me: I like this
Me before I read this: Who on earth is Lily? I don't think IRL people can be condemned haha


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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon May 30, 2022 10:19 am

Miravana wrote:Heya everyone, we thought it was time this was revisited by someone in earnest. We were considering adding a clause about lily tech but were unsure if that would be fit for a regional C/C compared to an individual one. Any feedback on that or the draft, in general, is greatly appreciated!


The Security Council,

Presenting Lily, a powerhouse military organization where some of the world’s most villainous, evil-doing nations plot their devious plans to conquer the world,

Understanding that Lily especially favors tag raiding, a practice that scars many otherwise peaceful and untouched regions with the military battles of outside forces,

Horrified by Lily’s tendencies for evil, hitting unfathomable numbers of regions within a single update with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,

Shocked by the unprecedented number of casualties of raiding Lily has brought upon the world in its onslaught against order, most apparent in the following campaigns:
  • Operation Supernova, a maneuver that struck 407 regions in a single night, breaking the previous record by 119 and setting a new standard for raiders to strive for and break;
  • Operation Stargazer, which saw a coterie of Lily’s raiders invade a record-breaking 270 regions by a single squadron, altogether resulting in the simultaneous upheaval of 576 regions, a currently unmatched endeavor;
  • Operation Thank You, ending the over-15-year delegate streak of Mikeswill, the longest streak in history, for sport;
  • Operation Obama, bringing the destruction of over 2,000 embassies to The Embassy and tagging 1,409 regions throughout the campaign.
Mourning the 10,000+ regions that have fallen victim to Lily’s transgressions, their faces painted in garish rainbow to provide Lily and its crimes with serious exposure,

Disgusted, yet wholly unsurprised, by the support Lily has provided to other notorious raider organizations, such as Lone Wolves United and The Black Hawks, in numerous high-profile invasions and coordinated subjugations of hundreds of nations, all to maximize the net loss of regional sovereignty internationally,

Denouncing the wanton, unprovoked aggression displayed by Lily to the community at large, necessitating a decry of Lily’s offenses,

Hereby condemns Lily.

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Support in principle, timely draft. Some suggestions:

I think that you've done a lot to grab some actual facts for this draft, which all previous drafts for Lily have lacked, but it's still a little skimpy and lacks a good deal of narrative elements. You can probably increase the presentation value by shuffling things out of a list format and describing the events in greater length. Turn it into more of a story by moving away simplistic "tag raiding" terms and convert things into a more flavourful IC context of raiding and vandalism. At the moment, you just state hit numbers, which could be caused by anything including having 20 teams of 2 moving at a snail's pace. Spend time talking about their primary attribute explicitly, speed, and how they reach their tag numbers by surpassing what other organisations could put out despite their best efforts, how only a few defenders can keep up with them when going full throttle.

My view of condemning a region is that the SC argues not only the things it has done to be "bad", but that its activities and membership are *inherently* so, now and in the future. So, make this case.

Talk about some members' records individually and how it helps to paint a picture of inherent condemnability. Talk about how their members have developed raiding tech that's well used beyond Lily's borders, including Koru, Buzzy Bee, and Swarm, if you want to use that. They are creations which primarily serve the cause of raiding and for the purpose of causing more damage. How former Supreme Commander Feu de Glace spun off Trieltics which itself hit 1,200 regions. How LD went on to be TBH council and led X, Y, and Z operations. Surely you've got some material on Frenchy. What high profile operations was Lily apart of with LWU and TBH, what's the circumstance of that relationship? Etc.

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Postby Apatosaurus » Tue May 31, 2022 5:55 pm

What's the obsession with overlong preambles?? Also, in my opinion, "Disgusted" could also use more detail in for example what invasions Lily has been involved in.

Overall, however, support.

Edit:
Quebecshire wrote:I’ll take a more detailed look later, but for the moment I’m definitely opposed due to the inclusion of the Mikeswill del-tip. If anything, that’s commendable.

Wow, I completely agree! Raiding an R/D neutral region solely over the personal R/D alignment of its Delegate is completely fair and definitely not hypocritical when done by "defenders", and is absolutely "outstanding contribution" the SC needs to praise!
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