California’s? Yes. The nation’s? No. The first gun control law in the US was passed in 1934 with the NFA.
California on the other hand didn’t do anything extra until the Mulford Act
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by Thermodolia » Fri May 27, 2022 6:27 pm
by Shrillland » Fri May 27, 2022 6:30 pm
by Prima Scriptura » Fri May 27, 2022 6:33 pm
Shrillland wrote:Thermodolia wrote:California’s? Yes. The nation’s? No. The first gun control law in the US was passed in 1934 with the NFA.
California on the other hand didn’t do anything extra until the Mulford Act
And the first gun control law of any kind in the US was actually in 1619 in Colonial Virginia...and it was quite racist: a ban on providing weapons to Natives punishable by death.
by Sordhau » Fri May 27, 2022 9:29 pm
Umeria wrote:New haven america wrote:It did.
No it didn't. If fascism was banned for the past 50 years and everything else in America happened the same way, fascists would have just as much if not more influence. This is because words alone don't create extremists, extreme conditions create extremists.
Now, would the threat of fascism be less noticeable if it was officially banned? Absolutely, which shows the danger of doing so. An underground movement can seize control without anyone being able to react, a movement that's out in the open can be recognized and responded to.
by Rusozak » Fri May 27, 2022 11:12 pm
Sordhau wrote:Umeria wrote:No it didn't. If fascism was banned for the past 50 years and everything else in America happened the same way, fascists would have just as much if not more influence. This is because words alone don't create extremists, extreme conditions create extremists.
Now, would the threat of fascism be less noticeable if it was officially banned? Absolutely, which shows the danger of doing so. An underground movement can seize control without anyone being able to react, a movement that's out in the open can be recognized and responded to.
The "they'll just go underground" argument has been debunked almost as many times as Nazi racial science at this point. See, as it turns out people who can't openly associate with people who think like them often have a hard time finding those people in the first place. It's how despotic regimes have managed to survive for decades without worrying about uprisings until foreign powers started to meddle and spread ideas among their population.
by Bear Stearns » Fri May 27, 2022 11:16 pm
Sordhau wrote:Umeria wrote:No it didn't. If fascism was banned for the past 50 years and everything else in America happened the same way, fascists would have just as much if not more influence. This is because words alone don't create extremists, extreme conditions create extremists.
Now, would the threat of fascism be less noticeable if it was officially banned? Absolutely, which shows the danger of doing so. An underground movement can seize control without anyone being able to react, a movement that's out in the open can be recognized and responded to.
The "they'll just go underground" argument has been debunked almost as many times as Nazi racial science at this point. See, as it turns out people who can't openly associate with people who think like them often have a hard time finding those people in the first place. It's how despotic regimes have managed to survive for decades without worrying about uprisings until foreign powers started to meddle and spread ideas among their population.
by Bear Stearns » Fri May 27, 2022 11:17 pm
Rusozak wrote:Sordhau wrote:
The "they'll just go underground" argument has been debunked almost as many times as Nazi racial science at this point. See, as it turns out people who can't openly associate with people who think like them often have a hard time finding those people in the first place. It's how despotic regimes have managed to survive for decades without worrying about uprisings until foreign powers started to meddle and spread ideas among their population.
But the internet changes things. It's breathed new life into fringe underground movements, who can not only come together virtually across the world, but advertise and recruit without fear of repercussion. Really, I don't think past examples can be used anymore to accurately predict what will happen next. The game has changed.
by Prima Scriptura » Fri May 27, 2022 11:22 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Rusozak wrote:
But the internet changes things. It's breathed new life into fringe underground movements, who can not only come together virtually across the world, but advertise and recruit without fear of repercussion. Really, I don't think past examples can be used anymore to accurately predict what will happen next. The game has changed.
the internet made more information accessible to more people. not our fault it results in people becoming "fascist"
by Narland » Fri May 27, 2022 11:54 pm
Sordhau wrote:Narland wrote:It is important to discuss the ramification of ideology, because it can be shown that humanity flourishes under freedom, equality, and limited government, and all other ideologies whether authoritarian or totalitarian (vague and arbitrary power to whatever extent) destroys humanity to the extent that it exercises that vague and arbitrary power over the individuals to live their lives in peace.
This is pure propaganda lmfao.
by Umeria » Sat May 28, 2022 12:07 am
Sordhau wrote:Umeria wrote:No it didn't. If fascism was banned for the past 50 years and everything else in America happened the same way, fascists would have just as much if not more influence. This is because words alone don't create extremists, extreme conditions create extremists.
Now, would the threat of fascism be less noticeable if it was officially banned? Absolutely, which shows the danger of doing so. An underground movement can seize control without anyone being able to react, a movement that's out in the open can be recognized and responded to.
The "they'll just go underground" argument has been debunked almost as many times as Nazi racial science at this point. See, as it turns out people who can't openly associate with people who think like them often have a hard time finding those people in the first place. It's how despotic regimes have managed to survive for decades without worrying about uprisings until foreign powers started to meddle and spread ideas among their population.
by Rusozak » Sat May 28, 2022 7:31 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Rusozak wrote:
But the internet changes things. It's breathed new life into fringe underground movements, who can not only come together virtually across the world, but advertise and recruit without fear of repercussion. Really, I don't think past examples can be used anymore to accurately predict what will happen next. The game has changed.
the internet made more information accessible to more people. not our fault it results in people becoming "fascist"
by Sordhau » Sat May 28, 2022 7:53 am
Rusozak wrote:Sordhau wrote:
The "they'll just go underground" argument has been debunked almost as many times as Nazi racial science at this point. See, as it turns out people who can't openly associate with people who think like them often have a hard time finding those people in the first place. It's how despotic regimes have managed to survive for decades without worrying about uprisings until foreign powers started to meddle and spread ideas among their population.
But the internet changes things. It's breathed new life into fringe underground movements, who can not only come together virtually across the world, but advertise and recruit without fear of repercussion. Really, I don't think past examples can be used anymore to accurately predict what will happen next. The game has changed.
Bear Stearns wrote:Sordhau wrote:
The "they'll just go underground" argument has been debunked almost as many times as Nazi racial science at this point. See, as it turns out people who can't openly associate with people who think like them often have a hard time finding those people in the first place. It's how despotic regimes have managed to survive for decades without worrying about uprisings until foreign powers started to meddle and spread ideas among their population.
i like how you implicitly concede we need a despotic regime to fight "fascism"
Narland wrote:Sordhau wrote:
This is pure propaganda lmfao.
Without rational discourse and respect of human dignity based on reason, the only alternative is force.
Those who refuse to be reasonable in public discourse (or are unreasonable by disallowing public discourse) are playing the fascist. They are the foolish bully who says, "What are you going to do, change my mind with words?" They have asserted that not only can they not be reasoned with, but must must be treated like the unreasonable bully that they are. It is that demeanor that is the very definition of prejudice and bigotry.By prejudice and bigotry I mean:
PREJ'UDICE, Prejudgment; an opinion or decision of mind, formed without due examination of the facts or arguments which are necessary to a just and impartial determination. It is used in a good or bad sense. Innumerable are the prejudices of education; we are accustomed to believe what we are taught, and to receive opinions from others without examining the grounds by which they can be supported. A man has strong prejudices in favor of his country or his party, or the church in which he has been educated; and often our prejudices are unreasonable. A judge should disabuse himself of prejudice in favor of either party in a suit.
BIG'OTRY, Obstinate or blind attachment to a particular creed, or to certain tenets; holding that his own views are in matters of politics and religion unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to, or differing from them as insufferable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which are in conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own opinion.
The only thing more dangerous than freedom of thought is everything else, as it will be a tyranny of the mind.
Umeria wrote:Sordhau wrote:The "they'll just go underground" argument has been debunked almost as many times as Nazi racial science at this point. See, as it turns out people who can't openly associate with people who think like them often have a hard time finding those people in the first place. It's how despotic regimes have managed to survive for decades without worrying about uprisings until foreign powers started to meddle and spread ideas among their population.
You know that there are foreign powers other than the US, right? So your plan doesn't work even if everything you're saying is true.
by The Rich Port » Sat May 28, 2022 10:08 am
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat May 28, 2022 10:15 am
Saiwania wrote:The Antifa side would be sorely mistaken to believe that all of the internet is on their side. Fascists have their own platforms and safe havens. We can act against censorship with efforts of our own which are in kind. We're a legitimate political bloc which if power is granted to us, will be because we have the people's mandate to govern.
If anything, Fascists have China to point to, as an example of the most powerful and mighty example of an authoritarian/totalitarian system that has risen to prominence. If China is becoming #1, it is a sign that democracy won't be the future as is thought.
by Port Caverton » Sat May 28, 2022 10:18 am
Saiwania wrote:The Antifa side would be sorely mistaken to believe that all of the internet is on their side. Fascists have their own platforms and safe havens. We can act against censorship with efforts of our own which are in kind. We're a legitimate political bloc which if power is granted to us, will be because we have the people's mandate to govern.
If anything, Fascists have China to point to, as an example of the most powerful and mighty example of an authoritarian/totalitarian system that has risen to prominence. If China is becoming #1, it is a sign that democracy won't be the future as is thought.
by Alcala-Cordel » Sat May 28, 2022 10:46 am
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat May 28, 2022 11:11 am
by Port Caverton » Sat May 28, 2022 11:12 am
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Hot take: nobody should own an AR-15 or similar gun. the only reason to own one is to murder as many people as possible with as little effort as possible. it is not a hunting rifle. it is not necessary to defend oneself. there is one reason to own one, and that goal is not desirable.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat May 28, 2022 11:14 am
Port Caverton wrote:The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:nobody should own an AR-15 or similar gun. the only reason to own one is to murder as many people as possible with as little effort as possible. it is not a hunting rifle. it is not necessary to defend oneself. there is one reason to own one, and that goal is not desirable.
Hot take: you should be deported to northern Quebec if you want to ban AR-15
by Port Caverton » Sat May 28, 2022 11:15 am
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