The Coming Storm (OOC/ATTN AFAASA/INVITE ONLY)

[Yagerist Ukraine]

Okay! Here is the AFAASA - Ukraine war thread! I hope we all enjoy ourselves.

IC thread:

Rules:

1) I am OP. My word is law.

2) Only those who are members of AFAASA or have been invited by me can post in the IC. If you are interested - [u]TG ME BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING![/u]

2) Keep the technology to whatever is in service now.

3) Stick to realistic numbers.

4) Do not godmore or RP other nation's forces.

5) Do not teleport your forces and consider the distance. Travel on vast distances takes at least 2-3 posts.

6) Keep OOC talk in OOC thread.

7) No use of WMDs.

[Aursi]

Yeah, is your country's location in Ukraine?

[New Aeyariss]

Yeah, is your country's location in Ukraine?

Yagerist Ukraine here, this is my main account.

Yeah, it is. In that verse Ukraine reclaimed Crimea and Donbass.

[Aursi]

Yeah, is your country's location in Ukraine?

Yagerist Ukraine here, this is my main account.

Yeah, it is. In that verse Ukraine reclaimed Crimea and Donbass.

Ok

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Given that I was essentially unable to post in the original war thread (and that I’ve also basically barged in without even knowing that you control Crimea), is it alright if we void my invasion and redo it from the start? Of course all of the information that we have received or may have received during the previous RP will be considered metagame.

[New Aeyariss]

Given that I was essentially unable to post in the original war thread (and that I’ve also basically barged in without even knowing that you control Crimea), is it alright if we void my invasion and redo it from the start? Of course all of the information that we have received or may have received during the previous RP will be considered metagame.

Sorry, but that is a no. Additionally, I already referred to the incident in the IC.

If you want to participate in this RP, you need to acknowledge the losses Lakan navy has sustained. I do not feel it would be fair any other way.

[Langenia]

Tagging, standby for post.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Given that I was essentially unable to post in the original war thread (and that I’ve also basically barged in without even knowing that you control Crimea), is it alright if we void my invasion and redo it from the start? Of course all of the information that we have received or may have received during the previous RP will be considered metagame.

Sorry, but that is a no. Additionally, I already referred to the incident in the IC.

If you want to participate in this RP, you need to acknowledge the losses Lakan navy has sustained.

Perhaps you could reduce the losses? I do not see the precise numbers of ships being sunk in your IC post- and thus believe that the amount of ships sunk (and damaged) could be reduced. Would that work for you?

[New Aeyariss]

Perhaps you could reduce the losses? I do not see the precise numbers of ships being sunk in your IC post- and thus believe that the amount of ships sunk (and damaged) could be reduced. Would that work for you?

I have not given any number, because RPing is a cooperative activity based on trust.

Mind you, I gave you even a single time when I conceded to you and let you defeat a missile salvo that in my opinion should have done more damage than it did in your post. Later, to back my statement about looses, I quoted official US Navy documents.

To me, at this point, it looks that you are trying to avoid loss which you fairly ought to take. And I have to say, I am kinda disappointed by it.

I also need to point out that Ukraine is outnumbered several times and loss of a single carrier group does not care a threat to Laka per se, except for the loss of prestige.

Hence, my terms are as following. Either we finish our debate from the previous thread and you convince me that I am wrong and Lakan casualises should be less than I have assumed, or the ships are targetted are either sinking or mission killed, and the remainder of the fleet has to deal with next 40 missiles fired by Tupolevs, and possible Langenian aid, outcome of which we can pre-determine here in the OOC.

If not, then I am sorry but the case is closed and you shall not be participating in this RP.

[Aursi]

Hey, I'm bad at wars. So if I do Something Wrong or Godmoddy then correct me

[New Aeyariss]

Hey, I'm bad at wars. So if I do Something Wrong or Godmoddy then correct me

I do not mind. In fact, I am willing to help you.

Your nation is kinda too large for me to write your military bu if you have questions ask.

[Aursi]

Hey, I'm bad at wars. So if I do Something Wrong or Godmoddy then correct me

I do not mind. In fact, I am willing to help you.

Your nation is kinda too large for me to write your military bu if you have questions ask.

I'm doing my own Military. Just the RPing. It seems tough to me. Lets see if I can Improve with this war.

[New Aeyariss]

I do not mind. In fact, I am willing to help you.

Your nation is kinda too large for me to write your military bu if you have questions ask.

I'm doing my own Military. Just the RPing. It seems tough to me. Lets see if I can Improve with this war.

Actually, I already have some points.

First, look at rule 5). It is important. For starters, I need to point out that moving a single ABCT from US East Coast to Poland took 90 days; and moving US carrier from New York to Mediterranean took about 2 weeks. I do not think your ships would be able to travel so fast.

In general, I write three posts. First post is departure, second - midway, third - arrival. Consider the fact that Ukraine may attempt to intercept your attempt at reaching the destination.

Second, in the military there is an acronym called 5W + H. It stands for "what?, who?, when?, where?, why? i how?" and I found it immensely helpful. For example, your 10 000 soldiers that are supposed to arrive. Are they travelling via sea? Air? Are they deploying in neighbouring nation or Ukraine? If Ukraine, are they landing at the coast or via air drop?

It would also be beneficial that you give a location of their arrival so I could see which Ukrainian forces could realistically respond.

Three, I need to point out that Rafales have Combat Range of 1850 so unless your nation is within that radius, you are gonna need a carrier in range to operate them. If you want to do recce via a plane, I would recommend Lockheed U-2 which has range of 11 000 km.

[Aursi]

I'm doing my own Military. Just the RPing. It seems tough to me. Lets see if I can Improve with this war.

Actually, I already have some points.

First, look at rule 5). It is important. For starters, I need to point out that moving a single ABCT from US East Coast to Poland took 90 days; and moving US carrier from New York to Mediterranean took about 2 weeks. I do not think your ships would be able to travel so fast.

In general, I write three posts. First post is departure, second - midway, third - arrival. Consider the fact that Ukraine may attempt to intercept your attempt at reaching the destination.

Second, in the military there is an acronym called 5W + H. It stands for "what?, who?, when?, where?, why? i how?" and I found it immensely helpful. For example, your 10 000 soldiers that are supposed to arrive. Are they travelling via sea? Air? Are they deploying in neighbouring nation or Ukraine? If Ukraine, are they landing at the coast or via air drop?

It would also be beneficial that you give a location of their arrival so I could see which Ukrainian forces could realistically respond.

Three, I need to point out that Rafales have Combat Range of 1850 so unless your nation is within that radius, you are gonna need a carrier in range to operate them. If you want to do recce via a plane, I would recommend Lockheed U-2 which has range of 11 000 km.

Thanks, I'll post a better one.

[Aursi]

I'm doing my own Military. Just the RPing. It seems tough to me. Lets see if I can Improve with this war.

Actually, I already have some points.

First, look at rule 5). It is important. For starters, I need to point out that moving a single ABCT from US East Coast to Poland took 90 days; and moving US carrier from New York to Mediterranean took about 2 weeks. I do not think your ships would be able to travel so fast.

In general, I write three posts. First post is departure, second - midway, third - arrival. Consider the fact that Ukraine may attempt to intercept your attempt at reaching the destination.

Second, in the military there is an acronym called 5W + H. It stands for "what?, who?, when?, where?, why? i how?" and I found it immensely helpful. For example, your 10 000 soldiers that are supposed to arrive. Are they travelling via sea? Air? Are they deploying in neighbouring nation or Ukraine? If Ukraine, are they landing at the coast or via air drop?

It would also be beneficial that you give a location of their arrival so I could see which Ukrainian forces could realistically respond.

Three, I need to point out that Rafales have Combat Range of 1850 so unless your nation is within that radius, you are gonna need a carrier in range to operate them. If you want to do recce via a plane, I would recommend Lockheed U-2 which has range of 11 000 km.

Lets say I want to bomb a place. Can't I fly the Aursian Rafales above them and drop the bombs?

[New Aeyariss]

Actually, I already have some points.

First, look at rule 5). It is important. For starters, I need to point out that moving a single ABCT from US East Coast to Poland took 90 days; and moving US carrier from New York to Mediterranean took about 2 weeks. I do not think your ships would be able to travel so fast.

In general, I write three posts. First post is departure, second - midway, third - arrival. Consider the fact that Ukraine may attempt to intercept your attempt at reaching the destination.

Second, in the military there is an acronym called 5W + H. It stands for "what?, who?, when?, where?, why? i how?" and I found it immensely helpful. For example, your 10 000 soldiers that are supposed to arrive. Are they travelling via sea? Air? Are they deploying in neighbouring nation or Ukraine? If Ukraine, are they landing at the coast or via air drop?

It would also be beneficial that you give a location of their arrival so I could see which Ukrainian forces could realistically respond.

Three, I need to point out that Rafales have Combat Range of 1850 so unless your nation is within that radius, you are gonna need a carrier in range to operate them. If you want to do recce via a plane, I would recommend Lockheed U-2 which has range of 11 000 km.

Lets say I want to bomb a place. Can't I fly the Aursian Rafales above them and drop the bombs?

Rafale has combat radius of 1850 kilometers, which can be extended by mid-air refuelling. You can attempt it as long as your Rafales start from a place that is within their range, so they can return home without running out of fuel - be it an airbase or a carrier.

And remember that Ukrainian air force and Air Defenses will try to contest the attempt.

It may be also good if you precise what are you trying to bomb.

[Aursi]

Lets say I want to bomb a place. Can't I fly the Aursian Rafales above them and drop the bombs?

Rafale has combat radius of 1850 kilometers, which can be extended by mid-air refuelling. You can attempt it as long as your Rafales start from a place that is within their range, so they can return home without running out of fuel - be it an airbase or a carrier.

And remember that Ukrainian air force and Air Defenses will try to contest the attempt.

It may be also good if you precise what are you trying to bomb.

Okay, I understand.

[Free Kathen]

How should deployment work if our nation isn't from Earth? Free Kathen is from another world, and while the fact that it doesn't have a lot of sci-fi technology helps keep this war balanced, it also means that there isn't a way for them to drop out of a spaceship or anything like that.

[Aursi]

How should deployment work if our nation isn't from Earth? Free Kathen is from another world, and while the fact that it doesn't have a lot of sci-fi technology helps keep this war balanced, it also means that there isn't a way for them to drop out of a spaceship or anything like that.

You are FT, you shouldn't join this war. It would overlap with us.

[Red Lake Circle]

How should deployment work if our nation isn't from Earth? Free Kathen is from another world, and while the fact that it doesn't have a lot of sci-fi technology helps keep this war balanced, it also means that there isn't a way for them to drop out of a spaceship or anything like that.

Considering the sort of schizotech we use, it should be easy enough to convert your military to an MT one for the sake of RP.

[New Aeyariss]

How should deployment work if our nation isn't from Earth? Free Kathen is from another world, and while the fact that it doesn't have a lot of sci-fi technology helps keep this war balanced, it also means that there isn't a way for them to drop out of a spaceship or anything like that.

I mean this RP is purely MT. However, just assume you are arriving from direction of either North or South Pole.

@Arusi: Now your post is far better! However I recommend you add in some transport ships to transport that many men.

[Free Kathen]

Aw yeah, polar guerilla time Gotcha.

[Aursi]

How should deployment work if our nation isn't from Earth? Free Kathen is from another world, and while the fact that it doesn't have a lot of sci-fi technology helps keep this war balanced, it also means that there isn't a way for them to drop out of a spaceship or anything like that.

I mean this RP is purely MT. However, just assume you are arriving from direction of either North or South Pole.

@Aursi: Now your post is far better! However I recommend you add in some transport ships to transport that many men.

Thank you, I'm doing it.

[New Aeyariss]

Aw yeah, polar guerilla time Gotcha.

I mean the way I see it, North and South Poles do not exist in this RP and all nations outside of RL have to arrive from those areas.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Perhaps you could reduce the losses? I do not see the precise numbers of ships being sunk in your IC post- and thus believe that the amount of ships sunk (and damaged) could be reduced. Would that work for you?

I have not given any number, because RPing is a cooperative activity based on trust.

Mind you, I gave you even a single time when I conceded to you and let you defeat a missile salvo that in my opinion should have done more damage than it did in your post. Later, to back my statement about looses, I quoted official US Navy documents.

To me, at this point, it looks that you are trying to avoid loss which you fairly ought to take. And I have to say, I am kinda disappointed by it.

I also need to point out that Ukraine is outnumbered several times and loss of a single carrier group does not care a threat to Laka per se, except for the loss of prestige.

Hence, my terms are as following. Either we finish our debate from the previous thread and you convince me that I am wrong and Lakan casualises should be less than I have assumed, or the ships are targetted are either sinking or mission killed, and the remainder of the fleet has to deal with next 40 missiles fired by Tupolevs, and possible Langenian aid, outcome of which we can pre-determine here in the OOC.

If not, then I am sorry but the case is closed and you shall not be participating in this RP.

Eh my point is not about avoiding losses but rather about the fact that a battle group sailing straight into the land filled to the brim with hostile land-based ASM installations is rather idiotic (and unrealistic like this is the same as if a tank platoon would yry to “rush” an ATGM position) . Given that they have no cover that is- and I indented for them to be covered by an airbase which we held in a Crimea. Before you’ve told me that in the tread there was no way I could have known this.

That being said, I do believe that loosing around 40% of the task force sunk and 30% more mission killed- all air defense cruisers (there were 4 if I’m correct), aegis cruiser and, every other target you’ve mentioned in your post (which I cannot find because broken search( there everything with displacement below battlecruiser, with the battlecruiser being very, VERY severely damaged (mission killed, hell, my point in the post was that many of the ships in the fleet ARE mission killed but able to limp away). Theoretically some of the missiles launched by Tu-22’s could be shot down by whatever the hell remains of the planes in the air- they may even attempt to ram the ASM’s (this is stupid but cool- I’ll let you to decide wether to declare this canon). The carrier, battleship and battlecruiser will be amongst the 1st rate ships making it to Russian port, and some supply and desant ships too. Do you consider such losses to be acceptable? I understand that you’re way more proficient at modern naval combat than me and thus will take your opinion as granted. Also no POW’s please- historically Laka has a culture of their POW’s being mistreated, and especially considering how suicidal their culture is I doubt that they’d attempt to live through.

Also sorry for making it look as if I was trying to avoid loosing stuff I’m very bad at making my intentions understandable for people.