Unacceptable Corruption & Integrity Paradox

[Twelve Israelite Tribes]

Greetings. So there seems to be a massive problem that I have noticed recently that's popped up: somehow the dev's either forgot some lines of code or some IQ-points regarding the statistics for "Corruption" and "Integrity". These two metrics are in direct opposition to each other yet somehow I find nations like my own, where we have around 93% "Integrity" (which, by definition, reduces "Corruption") yet in the nation's textual description, it refers to the government as "corrupt". Pardon my French, but that's not f****** acceptable. I'm sure I'm not the only one who does not appreciate a nation being labeled as "Corrupt" whenever "Integrity" is upwards of 90% (and the actual metric of so-called "Corruption" is sitting at an incredibly low 18 to 20 figure or even lower). De facto, any nation with governmental "Integrity" over 90% does not have a corrupt government. Please fix this. Thank you.

[Bormiar]

Greetings. So there seems to be a massive problem that I have noticed recently that's popped up: somehow the dev's either forgot some lines of code or some IQ-points regarding the statistics for "Corruption" and "Integrity". These two metrics are in direct opposition to each other yet somehow I find nations like my own, where we have around 93% "Integrity" (which, by definition, reduces "Corruption") yet in the nation's textual description, it refers to the government as "corrupt". Pardon my French, but that's not f****** acceptable. I'm sure I'm not the only one who does not appreciate a nation being labeled as "Corrupt" whenever "Integrity" is upwards of 90% (and the actual metric of so-called "Corruption" is sitting at an incredibly low 18 to 20 figure or even lower). De facto, any nation with governmental "Integrity" over 90% does not have a corrupt government. Please fix this. Thank you.

Why don't you relax and consider that if this tiny little thing makes you this upset, maybe you shouldn't be on NationStates? Or maybe that you're being condescending to the brilliant Issues Editors who have done an excellent job making these stats make sense? And who are you to tell them what's acceptable? They're volunteers; not your employees.

There's nothing inconsistent about your nations corruption and integrity. You're in the top 27% of nations in corruption, but the top 74% of nations in integrity.

You seem to not understand that numbers like "91.83 Percentage Of Bribes Refused" is not good relative to other nations. 74% of nations have much fewer bribes refused; i.e. your nation, when measured against others, does not have high integrity. Consider the reverse: 8.17% of bribes are accepted! That's too high. Furthermore, 18.35 kickbacks per hour is a unit, not a percentage. You have no way of knowing how low it is, except when comparing it with other nations. In this case, it's high.

I understand that you don't want your nation to be corrupt, but first, consider that this is a game, and second, consider that this a satirical game that's supposed to mock people a little bit, create exaggerated caricatures, and point out flawed reasoning. There are weird results to issues all the time, but typically if you reason about them for a little bit, they start to make sense. So just have fun with the choices you make and see how it changes your nation.

[Umbratellus]

Check your relative standing in the world; you're in the top 30% for corruption. You are corrupt by global standards. The integrity stat changes much slower than the corruption stat, so it's not that abnormal. While 90%+ of bribes might still be refused, it represents a significant and detectable problem within your society.

[Comfed]

The nation descriptions often don’t make sense and are frequently contradictory - sometimes they even contradict themselves. So don’t take it too seriously

[Ankuran]

The nation descriptions often don’t make sense and are frequently contradictory - sometimes they even contradict themselves. So don’t take it too seriously

I especially like it when I see a nation's government described as a "well-organized morass."

[Comfed]

The nation descriptions often don’t make sense and are frequently contradictory - sometimes they even contradict themselves. So don’t take it too seriously

I especially like it when I see a nation's government described as a "well-organized morass."

And I apparently have a corrupt, well-organized government!

[Bears Armed]

There has been at least one nation where "elections are banned, and voting is compulsory".

[Jar Wattinree]

There has been at least one nation where "elections are banned, and voting is compulsory".

But of course, how else is the ruling party to stay in office in perpetuity?

[Ankuran]

I especially like it when I see a nation's government described as a "well-organized morass."

And I apparently have a corrupt, well-organized government!

"Here's Form T-34 for issuing a bribe. Enter the recipient's name here, check reason for bribe here, enter amount here. Now we'll just swipe your card here. Would you like to join our Frequent Briber's Club? Get five percent cash back on your first bribe."

[Comfed]

And I apparently have a corrupt, well-organized government!

"Here's Form T-34 for issuing a bribe. Enter the recipient's name here, check reason for bribe here, enter amount here. Now we'll just swipe your card here. Would you like to join our Frequent Briber's Club? Get five percent cash back on your first bribe."

That's amazing xD

[Jar Wattinree]

And I apparently have a corrupt, well-organized government!

"Here's Form T-34 for issuing a bribe. Enter the recipient's name here, check reason for bribe here, enter amount here. Now we'll just swipe your card here. Would you like to join our Frequent Briber's Club? Get five percent cash back on your first bribe."

This is now officially canon for my nation.

[Twelve Israelite Tribes]

Check your relative standing in the world; you're in the top 30% for corruption. You are corrupt by global standards. The integrity stat changes much slower than the corruption stat, so it's not that abnormal. While 90%+ of bribes might still be refused, it represents a significant and detectable problem within your society.

According to the "Trend" page, the "Corruption" category is, where "World Census officials visited a range of government departments and recorded how frequently bribes were required to complete simple administrative requests." and is measured in "Kickbacks Per Hour;" whereas "Integrity" is where, "World Census agents tempted government officials with financial and other inducements to bend the rules and recorded how often their proposals were declined," and is measured as a "Percentage Of Bribes Refused". That means that "Corruption" needs to be numerically measured as 100%-[Integrity %]. It's easy math.

[Bormiar]

Check your relative standing in the world; you're in the top 30% for corruption. You are corrupt by global standards. The integrity stat changes much slower than the corruption stat, so it's not that abnormal. While 90%+ of bribes might still be refused, it represents a significant and detectable problem within your society.

According to the "Trend" page, the "Corruption" category is, where "World Census officials visited a range of government departments and recorded how frequently bribes were required to complete simple administrative requests." and is measured in "Kickbacks Per Hour;" whereas "Integrity" is where, "World Census agents tempted government officials with financial and other inducements to bend the rules and recorded how often their proposals were declined," and is measured as a "Percentage Of Bribes Refused". That means that "Corruption" needs to be numerically measured as 100%-[Integrity %]. It's easy math.

No. Wrong.

They are different units. The only scenario when that would be true is if corruption were measured in "percentage of bribes accepted". But it's not that. Instead, it's the number of bribes made per hour. There's a difference.