Ukrainian War Thread III: The Horrors

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Killing an opponent in war is not an execution.

Yes, but killing a former opponent after the war has ended would be an extrajudicial execution.

[Tarsonis]

Killing an opponent in war is not an execution.

Yes, but killing a former opponent after the war has ended would be an extrajudicial execution.

Tbf, the war was only all but over at the time, not completely over. Fascist and Partisans were still fighting in northern Italy at the time. Germany and Japan were still fighting etc.

Regardless, thus us all technicality. Nobody really considers Mussalani's death a war crime. If the Jews had gotten their hands on Hitler, nobody would get surprised by what they'd do to them. Its why nobody really cares about Mossad kidnapping/killing all those Naizis that fled despite being clear violations of national sovereignty and international law.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Tbf, the war was only all but over at the time, not completely over. Fascist and Partisans were still fighting in northern Italy at the time. Germany and Japan were still fighting etc.

Regardless, thus us all technicality. Nobody really considers Mussalani's death a war crime. If the Jews had gotten their hands on Hitler, nobody would get surprised by what they'd do to them. Its why nobody really cares about Mossad kidnapping/killing all those Naizis that fled despite being clear violations of national sovereignty and international law.

Since there was no UN or International Criminal Court (at the Hague) at those times, no universal and formal organization existed to define war crimes. (Mussolini barely missed the founding of the UN.) The situation is, of course, different in the current war.

[Tarsonis]

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia- ... -uk-2022-5


"In 300 miles your target will be on the left...recalculating....recalculating...recalculation. "

[Utquiagvik]

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/11-may-1- ... -in-lozova
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/11-may-ru ... porizhzhia
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/11-may-1- ... -in-solohy
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/11-may-ru ... kiv-region
Shelling continues throughout Ukraine.

[Ostroeuropa]

Putin would not be a former enemy.

He exists in a perpetual state of warfare with all mankind as hostis humani generis as a man who has ordered torture, enslavement, etc. He is not capable of making peace and *as an individual person*, not as leader of Russia, is in a state of war with us. Russia can make peace all it likes. Putin is still an enemy combatant and will be until he is killed.

Executing him would be acceptable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostis_humani_generis

You might note that he is "Beyond legal protection" of any state.

A comparison can be made between this concept and the common law "writ of outlawry", which declared a person outside the king's law, a literal out-law, subject to violence and execution by anyone.

IMO the issue would be confering this legal status on him. I think an affirmative defense would already exist nonetheless if someone killed him. But he could be tried in absentia to make it clear that actually yes, anyone, any time, anywhere, can kill Putin, even after peace is declared, without legal ramifications from most countries, because we are still at war with Putin, even if we make peace with Russia.

The alternative I suppose would be for Russia to come out and say that it as a state institution takes responsibility for the torture and war crimes and they are not Putin's private war against humanity. I think we should make that extremely clear to Putin when peace talks occur.

"You do realize that unless you say Russia, the country, has done torture, then you will be personally taking responsibility for it and we're going to have you assassinated?".

[Port Caverton]

Putin would not be a former enemy.

He exists in a perpetual state of warfare with all mankind as hostis humani generis as a man who has ordered torture, enslavement, etc. He is not capable of making peace and *as an individual person*, not as leader of Russia, is in a state of war with us. Russia can make peace all it likes. Putin is still an enemy combatant and will be until he is killed.

Executing him would be acceptable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostis_humani_generis

You might note that he is "Beyond legal protection" of any state.

A comparison can be made between this concept and the common law "writ of outlawry", which declared a person outside the king's law, a literal out-law, subject to violence and execution by anyone.

Hopefully this means that he gets hanged, drawn and quartered by a mob in a 4k youtube video

[Ostroeuropa]

Putin would not be a former enemy.

He exists in a perpetual state of warfare with all mankind as hostis humani generis as a man who has ordered torture, enslavement, etc. He is not capable of making peace and *as an individual person*, not as leader of Russia, is in a state of war with us. Russia can make peace all it likes. Putin is still an enemy combatant and will be until he is killed.

Executing him would be acceptable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostis_humani_generis

You might note that he is "Beyond legal protection" of any state.

Hopefully this means that he gets hanged, drawn and quartered by a mob in a 4k youtube video

In my opinion it would be perfectly legal to do so, much like what happened to Gaddafi was perfectly legal. They do not have any protections under any laws.

[Holy Can Kichrianiestalif]

see then why should i care and have to help your weak country

Answer the question dude. Why should I care about Yemen or Syria which I do, when you don't care about Ukraine?

i do care but it's not fair why should the world only care about ukraine, and why does russia have to be punished but not the usa?

[Adamede]

Answer the question dude. Why should I care about Yemen or Syria which I do, when you don't care about Ukraine?

i do care but it's not fair why should the world only care about ukraine, and why does russia have to be punished but not the usa?

Where did anyone say the world should only care about Ukraine? Stop with the strawmen.

[Independent Cossack Ukraine]

Putin would not be a former enemy.

He exists in a perpetual state of warfare with all mankind as hostis humani generis as a man who has ordered torture, enslavement, etc. He is not capable of making peace and *as an individual person*, not as leader of Russia, is in a state of war with us. Russia can make peace all it likes. Putin is still an enemy combatant and will be until he is killed.

Executing him would be acceptable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostis_humani_generis

You might note that he is "Beyond legal protection" of any state.

Hopefully this means that he gets hanged, drawn and quartered by a mob in a 4k youtube video

He will, give it time.

It happened to Mussolini, Gaddhafi, Ceaucescu...

[Holy Can Kichrianiestalif]

Hopefully this means that he gets hanged, drawn and quartered by a mob in a 4k youtube video

He will, give it time.

It happened to Mussolini, Gaddhafi, Ceaucescu...

hopefully that happens with bush,Zelenskyy because he said he stands with isreal and Obama for helping saudi arabia kill people in yemen 2014

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

He will, give it time.

It happened to Mussolini, Gaddhafi, Ceaucescu...

hopefully that happens with bush,Zelenskyy because he said he stands with isreal and Obama for helping saudi arabia kill people in yemen 2014

you have sided with the people who literally try to video themselves doing vile shit to toddlers?

[Holy Can Kichrianiestalif]

hopefully that happens with bush,Zelenskyy because he said he stands with isreal and Obama for helping saudi arabia kill people in yemen 2014

you have sided with the people who literally try to video themselves doing vile shit to toddlers?

my fucking god,im not with russia or ukraine get over it

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

you have sided with the people who literally try to video themselves doing vile shit to toddlers?

my fucking god,im not with russia or ukraine get over it

If you cant decide between the people who literally rape ten year olds (and we have that on record btw), and their opponents... then why are you here?

[Holy Can Kichrianiestalif]

my fucking god,im not with russia or ukraine get over it

If you cant decide between the people who literally rape ten year olds (and we have that on record btw), and their opponents... then why are you here?

it's fake you idioti don't believe everything you see,if something sounds too good or bad in this situation,to be true then it isn't

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If you cant decide between the people who literally rape ten year olds (and we have that on record btw), and their opponents... then why are you here?

it's fake you idioti don't believe everything you see,if something sounds too good or bad in this situation,to be true then it isn't

You have somehow managed to fail the most basic of morality tests...

[Holy Can Kichrianiestalif]

I didn't say sane I said sane enough. Putin is clearly being reckless but that doesn't mean he's completely unable to think rationally.

Putin's completely rational in his own little world. His little world where every last Ukrainian man, woman and child are dead and replaced with Russians.

hypocrites

[Holy Can Kichrianiestalif]

it's fake you idioti don't believe everything you see,if something sounds too good or bad in this situation,to be true then it isn't

You have failed the most basic of morality tests...

i don't believe them anymore they lied to us about the ghost of kyiv and it's war so they will do anything to get attention

[Gig em Aggies]

So it looks like Russia gave up the offensive on Kharkiv completely and retreated because they were getting cut off from the rest of their forces, means less territory both sides have to fight over.

At the same time Russia's been heavily pushing some implausible story that Ukraine attempted some kind of large scale amphibious and airborne assault on Snake Island that got everyone killed. And each time they retell the story the amount of Ukrainian equipment keeps climbing to astronomically ridiculous levels.

The air force that was completely destroyed back in February is mounting an airborne assault?

Ivan can't even get his lies straight...

well I think the Russians must think that Ukraine is some place in Warhammer 40k they must think the quote "Even in Death I still Serve" is real

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Putin would not be a former enemy.

He exists in a perpetual state of warfare with all mankind as hostis humani generis as a man who has ordered torture, enslavement, etc. He is not capable of making peace and *as an individual person*, not as leader of Russia, is in a state of war with us. Russia can make peace all it likes. Putin is still an enemy combatant and will be until he is killed.

Executing him would be acceptable.

I hope he is eventually executed. However, as long as he remains in the Kremlin, that is unlikely.

It is more important right now to focus on defeating Russia.

[American Legionaries]

The air force that was completely destroyed back in February is mounting an airborne assault?

Ivan can't even get his lies straight...

well I think the Russians must think that Ukraine is some place in Warhammer 40k they must think the quote "Even in Death I still Serve" is real

I unironically want to see blue and gold dreadnaughts with tridents on their shoulders blasting T-72s now

[Sordhau]

Putin being overthrown and executed by an angry mob, while based as fuck, probably isn't going to happen.

Which is a shame because it'd be one of the biggest highlights of the early 21st century.

[Chan Island]

Answer the question dude. Why should I care about Yemen or Syria which I do, when you don't care about Ukraine?

i do care but it's not fair why should the world only care about ukraine, and why does russia have to be punished but not the usa?

You evidently don't- if you did, you'd have the empathy the understand why we care about ukraine here and be glad that we refuse to let these horrors go in darkness.

In actuality, you only care about the politics. And in your case you're mad that the US isn't being punished for crimes in the Middle East and believe that this war is distracting us from that.

You have failed the most basic of morality tests...

i don't believe them anymore they lied to us about the ghost of kyiv and it's war so they will do anything to get attention

There is a vast amount of evidence that the Russian army has raped toddlers in Ukraine- specifically we know it's occurred in Irpin, Mariupol and Bucha.

The fact you don't want to believe it because "lol ghost of kiev" says more about you than anything else.

[Dtn]

my fucking god,im not with russia or ukraine get over it

If you cant decide between the people who literally rape ten year olds (and we have that on record btw), and their opponents... then why are you here?

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2016/08/7/7117042/

remember when ukraine released these guys three days after the war started

doubtful anyone with a ukraine flag knows who Tetiana Chornovol is but she's not exactly pro-russian

it's reasonable not to strongly take sides in an eastern european shitshow

(also perhaps more horrific but the child on videotape was most likely his own since by most accounts he got a car seat violation in Krasnodar in early March and his military service seems to have ended in 2018)